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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Fuck no. And even if you did, the designers have always been more concerned with what's fun (for players and spectators) rather than what's balanced. So far I'd say they've done brilliantly. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:28 spellsy wrote: here is my opinion on the matter. I suck at gaming (and most sports). i just dont have the real time / quick decision making, confidence, or whatever it is to be instantly good at these things. I have no game talent. But I still played competitively, and still can be diamond 1 when trolling solo Q, etc. etc.. This is a lot because of just playing the game a TON last year, but also comes down to knowledge. And this is why i think its bull shit when people say "oh im silver, but i watch streams and understand the game so well!". there isnt that much execution in LoL that if you understand you cant get at least diamond. I suck dick at execution, as previously stated, yet im there. so, dont say your understanding is way higher than you are ranked and its execution holding you back. its either your understanding is much worse than you think (probably the answer), or you dont play enough games (rarely the case). (note: esports understanding and GAME-solo Q understanding are two different things, as the context is strategically very different). So basically you think you really suck and have no talent but all the evidence proves otherwise? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:09 Slayer91 wrote: theres a difference between broad game knowledge which is like knowing why lane swaps are good and what makes x jungler good over y jungler, which most people seem to think is really important. Specific game knowledge which requires a deeper understanding of the game such as how do i play this lane, how do i play this teamfight, should i gank here etc are whats a lot more important. similarly in bw most people think they have brilliant stratgies but dont know enough about when to build workers when to expand when to attack how many production buildings to build etc it doesnt matter if your army comp is better if they have 2x as much stuff. those things were listed as "mechanics" but it was 90% game knowledge and 10% moving faster by knowing exactly what you had to do and why It sounds to me like you are agreeing with me that it's possible to have a very good understanding of the game without being a high level player. I mean, if you want to think the above is impossible, you're entitled to your opinion I suppose. I'm going to stand by the statement that you are obviously and demonstrably wrong, but whatever. What's strange to me is the people who go around calling Morello a silver league scrub but then praise the ideas of low league TLers. The hypocrisy is blatant and I wish there was a more mature level of conversation going on in the thread. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:55 Ketara wrote: It sounds to me like you are agreeing with me that it's possible to have a very good understanding of the game without being a high level player. I mean, if you want to think the above is impossible, you're entitled to your opinion I suppose. I'm going to stand by the statement that you are obviously and demonstrably wrong, but whatever. What's strange to me is the people who go around calling Morello a silver league scrub but then praising the ideas of low league TLers. The hypocrisy is blatant and I wish there was a more mature level of conversation going on in the thread. When someone consistently talks crap why would people not shit on him?It's not a hypocrisy. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:50 Osmoses wrote: If league was your job, as in if you were a Riot employee, would you play it in your free time? Like, grinding the ladder? Fuck no. And even if you did, the designers have always been more concerned with what's fun (for players and spectators) rather than what's balanced. So far I'd say they've done brilliantly. Why not grind the ladder? Sure maybe not like... omg I have 40 mins of free time, let me get in a quick ranked game. But why does being a Riot employee make you averse to playing a game you (should) genuinely enjoy? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:58 nafta wrote: When someone consistently talks crap why would people not shit on him?It's not a hypocrisy. Somebody who is saying person A is wrong BECAUSE they're low league, and then saying person B, who is low league, is correct, is being hypocritical. If you want to argue that the changes are bad because they're bad for XYZ reasons, go ahead that's actually a debatable standpoint. Don't say they're bad because the game designers aren't diamond league and don't know what they're doing. That's not an argument, it's just you making an ignorant, immature and hypocritical post. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:03 Ketara wrote: Somebody who is saying person A is wrong BECAUSE they're low league, and then saying person B, who is low league, is correct, is being hypocritical. If you want to argue that the changes are bad because they're bad for XYZ reasons, go ahead that's actually a debatable standpoint. Don't say they're bad because the game designers aren't diamond league and don't know what they're doing. That's not an argument, it's just you making an ignorant, immature and hypocritical post. What?I said if someone has been wrong consistently in the past he gets shit on how is that hypopcritical?People respecting someone's opinion even though he is low league is because he has proven he knows what he is talking about. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:03 Ketara wrote: Somebody who is saying person A is wrong BECAUSE they're low league, and then saying person B, who is low league, is correct, is being hypocritical. If you want to argue that the changes are bad because they're bad for XYZ reasons, go ahead that's actually a debatable standpoint. Don't say they're bad because the game designers aren't diamond league and don't know what they're doing. That's not an argument, it's just you making an ignorant, immature and hypocritical post. You're totally ignoring that sometimes there's so many things wrong with certain ideas/concepts that it's pretty much just easier to call it a "low level player" sort of mistake. Like, so riddled with badness. But I agree low level people/designers isn't reason alone to shit on them. Double standards do exist though, you can't say anything to stop them from existing. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:50 JimmiC wrote: Ok so what is your point? Mine is that The guy said "yango is not high level but high level understanding" I agree with his point and think it was a good example because people here know and respect yango. You are argueing with me. What are you arguing? It seams liek you are arguing the average silver/ gold player doesn't have great knowledge, but thats not the point, or what I'm saying. I'm saying you don't have to be diamound to have great knowedge. Sure, more higher level people have understanding from a % perspective, but again thats not my point. So what is your arguement to my first sentance. If you don't disagree with it, then in fact sir its you that don't understand at all. On October 25 2013 00:55 Ketara wrote: It sounds to me like you are agreeing with me that it's possible to have a very good understanding of the game without being a high level player. I mean, if you want to think the above is impossible, you're entitled to your opinion I suppose. I'm going to stand by the statement that you are obviously and demonstrably wrong, but whatever. What's strange to me is the people who go around calling Morello a silver league scrub but then praise the ideas of low league TLers. The hypocrisy is blatant and I wish there was a more mature level of conversation going on in the thread. you both completley dont get it theres a difference between "understanding the game" at the zoomed out view, and actually understanding what happens at an individual level. we're talking you understand that a factory makes cheese without knowing how the factory works. If the cheese stops you know the factory is broken but you dont know why its broken id come up with better metaphors but im playing moo2 with scip also from a game design perspective you need a differnet kind of understanding again and broader and being good at game design has no direct correlation to being good at the game (but the better you are at one or the other should enhance the counterpart) | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:10 Slayer91 wrote: also from a game design perspective you need a differnet kind of understanding again and broader and being good at game design has no direct correlation to being good at the game (but the better you are at one or the other should enhance the counterpart) Okay so you agree with me. Good that we got that sorted. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
not understanding a small portion of the game understanding the game sounds like it means something | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:55 Ketara wrote: What's strange to me is the people who go around calling Morello a silver league scrub but then praise the ideas of low league TLers. The hypocrisy is blatant and I wish there was a more mature level of conversation going on in the thread. not me i think tlers are wrong more often than not  how i know a hero is useless: tl gd says its good how i know a hero is good: tl gd says its bad | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:50 Osmoses wrote: If league was your job, as in if you were a Riot employee, would you play it in your free time? Like, grinding the ladder? Fuck no. And even if you did, the designers have always been more concerned with what's fun (for players and spectators) rather than what's balanced. So far I'd say they've done brilliantly. it depends, i think that if your job is to be the brains or the face of a company, and you are getting good money to do that its important to be able to not look like a retard. now if you are just a minimum wage monkey sweeping the floors then do whatever you like, but if your job is to explain to the community why a champion needs to be nerfed, if you cant explain that you cant do your job. so while i dont know about 'free' time i do think its important that riot encourages employees to actually play the game they are paid to know about. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: not me i think tlers are wrong more often than not how i know a hero is useless: tl gd says its good how i know a hero is good: tl gd says its bad gtfo heroes are for that shit game doto | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:20 AsmodeusXI wrote: gtfo heroes are for that shit game doto i make sure to call them heroes here and i make sure to say champs when im talkinga bout dota | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
ask anyone on EU now i dare you | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:21 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: i make sure to call them heroes here and i make sure to say champs when im talkinga bout dota Cheep one true shitposter god. Roffles needs to take note of this brilliance. | ||
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