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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:21 Slayer91 wrote: for example cheep says garen is useless ask anyone on EU now i dare you eu is also well known for being awful at the game and thinking bad heroes are good ill recant if we see a garen in pro play that does something other than sit there and spin and do nothing | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: eu is also well known for being awful at the game and thinking bad heroes are good ill recant if we see a garen in pro play that does something other than sit there and spin and do nothing inc trick2g in LCS. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: eu is also well known for being awful at the game and thinking bad heroes are good ill recant if we see a garen in pro play that does something other than sit there and spin and do nothing refer to roffles sig | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
roffles is a shitposter and a shitgamer | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
edit: also take into account garen being heavily nerfed like irelia and likewise seeing less pro play | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:55 Ketara wrote: It sounds to me like you are agreeing with me that it's possible to have a very good understanding of the game without being a high level player. I mean, if you want to think the above is impossible, you're entitled to your opinion I suppose. I'm going to stand by the statement that you are obviously and demonstrably wrong, but whatever. What's strange to me is the people who go around calling Morello a silver league scrub but then praise the ideas of low league TLers. The hypocrisy is blatant and I wish there was a more mature level of conversation going on in the thread. Well Morello is seriously incompetent, and being silver doesn´t really help his reputation. Like if he was good at being the freaking lead game designer, then yeah i don´t see a problem with him being silver, but you can easily draw lines between what he approves and his rating. Abit unrelated to Morello, but you also gotta remember that most of the commentators are at a pretty decent level which also supports how they analyze the LCS games. It´s not that hard to see, that being at a higher level gives you a better understanding of the game as a whole. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Saying that somebody who is not good at the game cannot understand the game is ignorant and incredibly wrong. Likewise, saying that somebody who is good at the game understands the game is also ignorant and incredibly wrong. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
i remember there was some high elo blogger on rog (hashinshin? not sure) who wrote furious rants they were the best | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:30 Ketara wrote: Being better at the game making it easier to have a better understanding of the game is a legitimate standpoint to have, and something I already mentioned. Saying that somebody who is not good at the game cannot understand the game is ignorant and incredibly wrong. Likewise, saying that somebody who is good at the game understands the game is also ignorant and incredibly wrong. you once again fail to distinguish understanding of the game and understanding of very board strategy if you understand the game you are good at he game period. there is no mechanical restrictions for anyone without severe arthritis. if you are bad at the game you dont understand the game at nearly all levels i imagine most people who are bad and think they are good is becuase they watch pro play and know what is going on no better than the dad shouting at the football on tv | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:58 nafta wrote: When someone consistently talks crap why would people not shit on him?It's not a hypocrisy. If you consistently talk crap yourself, it is! | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: i dont think morello is particularly incompetent, nor do i think he's personally responsible for even a fraction of the changes, he just gets hate cause he conducts himself in a very confrontational way and acts very obstinate, and as the mouthpiece of the design team he obviously gets all the blame This is a good post Cheep, I appreciate this and agree  | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
New warmogs, botrk, the new jungle items, jungle changes, champion releases, champion nerfs/buffs, all should be approved by him in the end (correct me if I´m wrong). Like even all the patch cycles to correct the many mistakes of overbuffing/overnerfing champions, everything points back to him. I don´t wanna make him the black sheep, but I´d rather see someone else in his position, someone who could potentially make something more interesting than flat line of 50 champions in a fotm-pool that constantly changes because of all these patches. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: i dont think morello is particularly incompetent, nor do i think he's personally responsible for even a fraction of the changes, he just gets hate cause he conducts himself in a very confrontational way and acts very obstinate, and as the mouthpiece of the design team he obviously gets all the blame I think this needs to be highlighted. He heads the Live Design Team, but from past conversation, he merely greenlights proposed changes by the live design team (given how broad their focuses are on); he doesn't/no longer produces, balances, and tests the changes, from what I can tell. So all the Morello hate is somewhat like shooting the messenger here. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:21 Slayer91 wrote: for example cheep says garen is useless ask anyone on EU now i dare you Eh, first thing I thought when you posted about "broad vs specific knowledge" was "Why doesn't he call them out on his Diamond Garen expertise?" As for the whining on changes vs stating the positive, it's easier to discuss what's bad (plus he lets you vent) than to just say "Hey I like this one" because then there's not necessarily much to discuss. As for my own statements it's true that we don't know the details yet—and I even admitted earlier than it can work out + Show Spoiler [In here] + "On the other hand maybe these are actually items like Seeker's Armguard, so that once they're stacked you don't have incentive to prioritise monsters but the commitment to killing camps is still too high for a laner to make it worthwhile. And they're balanced at low cost/low efficiency, so they're accessible early, and once stacked they're very cost-effective but only as slot-effective as standard laner items." Maybe the way supports can be the richest members of each team will work out because of how they generate the income! But it doesn't change the fact that giving supports gold artificially isn't the way to go at it. (We have people suggesting items super cost-effective that lose stats everytime you last hit a minion more or less regularly in GD, well it's the same thing: laners won't buy these items, supports will have good itemisation without having to farm, problem solved! ... well, nope, that's still a bad idea if only because of how inelegant the design is.) | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
new warmogs is okay. it was too cost efficient. botrk is kinda silly, but its okay because it doesnt scale like the other ad items. jungle items are okay. champion releases are their business model, can't argue balance has been generally improving from what i see less bat shit op stuff. very hard to not overbuff/overnerf champs considering how many nerfs/buffs they do. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:08 Nos- wrote: What stops a rioter from enjoying the game I don't get it Most people hate their job and want to not think about it when they get off work outside of bitching about it. However, I'd be jazzed as all hell if I worked for Riot. Unfortunately I don't have any particular use to them for anything. lol On October 25 2013 01:28 Sponkz wrote: Abit unrelated to Morello, but you also gotta remember that most of the commentators are at a pretty decent level which also supports how they analyze the LCS games. It´s not that hard to see, that being at a higher level gives you a better understanding of the game as a whole. If Rivington is anywhere above S5, I call bullshit. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:37 Gahlo wrote: If Rivington is anywhere above S5, I call bullshit. He's likely higher than you iirc from his stream. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:39 Alaric wrote: He's likely higher than you iirc from his stream. At least when I talk about the game I don't get as much wrong as he does. I also have no delusions at being good at this game. | ||
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