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dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
October 15 2013 08:50 GMT
#4141
On October 15 2013 16:23 FinestHour wrote:
what do i even do now at 0 points plat 5
is it even worth playing more ranked or should i just grief people and ruin promos


I tried to report post, but there's no option for assholes.
TL please.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 15 2013 08:57 GMT
#4142
yo this wasnt even my idea meat eating sheep suggested it to me last week i would never heed such bad advice
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 15 2013 09:16 GMT
#4143
Gangplank free this week. Come join the good ship Pirate.

It sucks.

I'm starting to think Saintv, Riot and everyone I've played with are right. Gangplank really does suck, the only reason I do well is because I have a firm grasp on toplane matchups, and in turn few people this season know how to play against Gangplank. The few who did completely pulverized my anus.

And even when I get one or even two early kills in lane (not uncommon) the opposing Rivens, Renektons and Rumbles outscale me easily shortly afterwards and all I can do is hope my team are strong enough that my E, R and offtanking make enough of a difference for a win. If mid or bot lost, forget it, I cannot carry with Gangplank, as I can with a Riven or Tryndamere. I can only be utility/offtank.

Yesterday I got into a 1vs1 with a Vi who only had a Randuins and tabi, whereas I had tabi, Frozen Heart, triforce, shiv and TWO levels. I won, but it was very close. Now, I know Gangplank isn't necessarily supposed to be a strong duelist, but considering those circumstances, no matter the kits or the scaling, that shouldn't be possible unless you are playing a severely underpowered champ, even if Vi is played to perfection and all Gangplank does is auto and Q.

I read an old redpost where Riot said Gangplank was nerfed because his kit was "toxic", frustrating to play against. If they're talking about the slow passive, whats up with having red buff and frozen mallet in the game? They can't be talking about the parrrley harass, plenty of top champs have ranged harass. Just look at the bullshit you have to put up with against Kennen, Elise and Pantheon.

Either way, GP was nerfed into the ground. And it makes me angry. It really takes the jolly out of my roger.

But, in the end, I guess nobody said being a pirate was supposed to be easy. And goddamnit I'm still gonna keep picking him.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
October 15 2013 09:39 GMT
#4144
On October 15 2013 18:16 Osmoses wrote:
Gangplank free this week. Come join the good ship Pirate.

It sucks.

I'm starting to think Saintv, Riot and everyone I've played with are right. Gangplank really does suck, the only reason I do well is because I have a firm grasp on toplane matchups, and in turn few people this season know how to play against Gangplank. The few who did completely pulverized my anus.

And even when I get one or even two early kills in lane (not uncommon) the opposing Rivens, Renektons and Rumbles outscale me easily shortly afterwards and all I can do is hope my team are strong enough that my E, R and offtanking make enough of a difference for a win. If mid or bot lost, forget it, I cannot carry with Gangplank, as I can with a Riven or Tryndamere. I can only be utility/offtank.

Yesterday I got into a 1vs1 with a Vi who only had a Randuins and tabi, whereas I had tabi, Frozen Heart, triforce, shiv and TWO levels. I won, but it was very close. Now, I know Gangplank isn't necessarily supposed to be a strong duelist, but considering those circumstances, no matter the kits or the scaling, that shouldn't be possible unless you are playing a severely underpowered champ, even if Vi is played to perfection and all Gangplank does is auto and Q.

I read an old redpost where Riot said Gangplank was nerfed because his kit was "toxic", frustrating to play against. If they're talking about the slow passive, whats up with having red buff and frozen mallet in the game? They can't be talking about the parrrley harass, plenty of top champs have ranged harass. Just look at the bullshit you have to put up with against Kennen, Elise and Pantheon.

Either way, GP was nerfed into the ground. And it makes me angry. It really takes the jolly out of my roger.

But, in the end, I guess nobody said being a pirate was supposed to be easy. And goddamnit I'm still gonna keep picking him.


I feel ya brother.

I still play GP because he was and still remains my first love but he's pretty bad. I think perhaps the "toxic" part of GP that the red was referring to was GP's ability to deny minions via raise morale? This was waaay back though, maybe even pre season 1. Other than that he was just hit by the nerf bat after a brief stint of OP mid season 2 and has remained relatively untouched since IIRC.
Retvrn to Forvms
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 09:53:43
October 15 2013 09:52 GMT
#4145
On October 15 2013 18:39 Chrispy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 18:16 Osmoses wrote:
Gangplank free this week. Come join the good ship Pirate.

It sucks.

I'm starting to think Saintv, Riot and everyone I've played with are right. Gangplank really does suck, the only reason I do well is because I have a firm grasp on toplane matchups, and in turn few people this season know how to play against Gangplank. The few who did completely pulverized my anus.

And even when I get one or even two early kills in lane (not uncommon) the opposing Rivens, Renektons and Rumbles outscale me easily shortly afterwards and all I can do is hope my team are strong enough that my E, R and offtanking make enough of a difference for a win. If mid or bot lost, forget it, I cannot carry with Gangplank, as I can with a Riven or Tryndamere. I can only be utility/offtank.

Yesterday I got into a 1vs1 with a Vi who only had a Randuins and tabi, whereas I had tabi, Frozen Heart, triforce, shiv and TWO levels. I won, but it was very close. Now, I know Gangplank isn't necessarily supposed to be a strong duelist, but considering those circumstances, no matter the kits or the scaling, that shouldn't be possible unless you are playing a severely underpowered champ, even if Vi is played to perfection and all Gangplank does is auto and Q.

I read an old redpost where Riot said Gangplank was nerfed because his kit was "toxic", frustrating to play against. If they're talking about the slow passive, whats up with having red buff and frozen mallet in the game? They can't be talking about the parrrley harass, plenty of top champs have ranged harass. Just look at the bullshit you have to put up with against Kennen, Elise and Pantheon.

Either way, GP was nerfed into the ground. And it makes me angry. It really takes the jolly out of my roger.

But, in the end, I guess nobody said being a pirate was supposed to be easy. And goddamnit I'm still gonna keep picking him.


I feel ya brother.

I still play GP because he was and still remains my first love but he's pretty bad. I think perhaps the "toxic" part of GP that the red was referring to was GP's ability to deny minions via raise morale? This was waaay back though, maybe even pre season 1. Other than that he was just hit by the nerf bat after a brief stint of OP mid season 2 and has remained relatively untouched since IIRC.


It was more than when he was op, parley was incredibly annoying to deal with, low cd ranged harass, big sustain if you put points into orange, and the cleanse + move speed boost made him difficult to gank. he got a craptop of free ad and with parley basically being an auto, at 600 range, and spammable and on top of that a free slow so he could chase you down, it was difficult to lane against, and there was very little counterplay.

You could just make your lane opponent miserable all game and stay top and ult places around the map while you split pushed and then come into teamfights with 6 items and infinity gold.

EDIT: the biggest factor in his being op was the free ad he got. That was the big nerf.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 10:03:05
October 15 2013 10:02 GMT
#4146
On October 15 2013 17:50 dae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 16:23 FinestHour wrote:
what do i even do now at 0 points plat 5
is it even worth playing more ranked or should i just grief people and ruin promos


I tried to report post, but there's no option for assholes.
TL please.

Assist enemy team?

At least that's what I do when I see an obvious gatekeeper griefer.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 10:50:48
October 15 2013 10:04 GMT
#4147
On October 15 2013 17:14 turdburgler wrote:
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On October 15 2013 15:17 RoieTRS wrote:
On October 15 2013 13:36 miicah wrote:
So in dota an 'oracles' costs around the price of 11 regular wards or 8 pink wards while in lol an oracles is 5 regular/3 pinks. Would significantly increasing the price of oracles stop the early vision snowball? It may also encourage people to buy pinks rather than oracles and increase the importance of where they are placed.


there is too much vision in the game, and anything that removes vision is a good thing


really? you want more randomness?

Yeah I'm also very confused that so many people in this forum argue that less vision is a good thing. More vision is better for the higher skilled player. Honestly I think the game would be fine if fog of war was removed entirely (with exception of bushes). While limiting information adds an interesting mechanic to the game it also introduces a big random factor where making a 100% correct play can lead to failure (something that happens a lot in poker for example, a game entirely dependent on limited information, while this is never true in chess, a game with no limited information). Decreasing the amount of vision available simply means there are more situations where a worse player/team can luck out and catch a better player/team off guard.
Creator of LoLTool.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35125 Posts
October 15 2013 10:12 GMT
#4148
Played my first game as jax a few days ago. Holy hell is he faceroll.
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
October 15 2013 10:27 GMT
#4149
@GoraGoth

While I understand your chess vs poker metaphor it is completely flawed because in chess you HAVE to move and eventually engage. If there was vision everywhere, no one would be able to roam. so people would just sit in lane and farm for 300 minutes and then 5v5 6 item vs 6 item and the game would end.

not to mention how op TF, pantheon, nocturne, eve, Karthus, shen, and raka would be.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
NpG)Explosive
Profile Joined January 2003
France994 Posts
October 15 2013 10:41 GMT
#4150
On October 15 2013 19:02 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 17:50 dae wrote:
On October 15 2013 16:23 FinestHour wrote:
what do i even do now at 0 points plat 5
is it even worth playing more ranked or should i just grief people and ruin promos


I tried to report post, but there's no option for assholes.
TL please.

Assist enemy team?

At least that's what I do when I see an obvious gatekeeper griefer.


He tried to report the post. You don't have the "assist ennemy team" option on TL.
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
October 15 2013 10:41 GMT
#4151
Wow, is xPeke still in America?
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
October 15 2013 10:42 GMT
#4152
Limiting vision creates more potential eventualities which tests skill in determining risk/reward of actions under each eventuality. The problem lies when one choice is clearly superior to the others. When Oracle was a first-buy for junglers and lived for 20+ minutes in season 2 the easy correct choice for basically every lane was sit and watch and wait for the lane to come to you. No actual risk/reward on harassing and engaging.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
October 15 2013 11:17 GMT
#4153
On October 15 2013 19:27 JonGalt wrote:
@GoraGoth

While I understand your chess vs poker metaphor it is completely flawed because in chess you HAVE to move and eventually engage. If there was vision everywhere, no one would be able to roam. so people would just sit in lane and farm for 300 minutes and then 5v5 6 item vs 6 item and the game would end.

not to mention how op TF, pantheon, nocturne, eve, Karthus, shen, and raka would be.

I doubt that complete vision would mean farming to 6 items every game but that's possible. It would screw the balance of the game the way it is now for sure and it would be a different game, possibly one that many current players wouldn't want to play, but it would still (probably) be a good game (though to be honest this is a silly argument).

I don't buy that limited vision in any way favours better players though. If you have vision control you are free to all-in your opponent any time that you know that you can win the 1v1, letting you snowball hard and win pretty much every time that you are the better player. Limited vision means you have to weigh that against the risk of getting ganked and killed every time you commit. It adds additional elements that are interesting and it does reward players with better game sense over raw mechanical skill but it still adds more of an element of luck (such as a random facecheck leading to a team that was ahead losing). I make no judgement if this is good or bad but I think it's true.
Creator of LoLTool.
Vegetarian Wolf
Profile Joined May 2010
China434 Posts
October 15 2013 11:58 GMT
#4154
On October 15 2013 17:10 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 16:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 15 2013 16:27 FinestHour wrote:
what can i say meat eating sheep is a horrible influence

I'm 100% fucking serious. Pull this kind of shit and you deserve to be in the level of hell of where pedophiles and clowns exist.

lol


lol
Awooo...
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
October 15 2013 11:59 GMT
#4155
How long are refunds valid for? Can I refund a champ I bought last year?
@miicah88
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11427 Posts
October 15 2013 12:08 GMT
#4156
3 month afaik.
tissue
Profile Joined April 2009
Malaysia441 Posts
October 15 2013 12:33 GMT
#4157
On October 15 2013 20:17 Goragoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 19:27 JonGalt wrote:
@GoraGoth

While I understand your chess vs poker metaphor it is completely flawed because in chess you HAVE to move and eventually engage. If there was vision everywhere, no one would be able to roam. so people would just sit in lane and farm for 300 minutes and then 5v5 6 item vs 6 item and the game would end.

not to mention how op TF, pantheon, nocturne, eve, Karthus, shen, and raka would be.

I doubt that complete vision would mean farming to 6 items every game but that's possible. It would screw the balance of the game the way it is now for sure and it would be a different game, possibly one that many current players wouldn't want to play, but it would still (probably) be a good game (though to be honest this is a silly argument).

I don't buy that limited vision in any way favours better players though. If you have vision control you are free to all-in your opponent any time that you know that you can win the 1v1, letting you snowball hard and win pretty much every time that you are the better player. Limited vision means you have to weigh that against the risk of getting ganked and killed every time you commit. It adds additional elements that are interesting and it does reward players with better game sense over raw mechanical skill but it still adds more of an element of luck (such as a random facecheck leading to a team that was ahead losing). I make no judgement if this is good or bad but I think it's true.


Just as in poker, a good part of the game is to put your opponent in similarly unfavorable situations with appropriate bet sizing so he loses if he calls to facecheck.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 12:56:56
October 15 2013 12:56 GMT
#4158
On October 15 2013 16:25 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 16:23 FinestHour wrote:
what do i even do now at 0 points plat 5
is it even worth playing more ranked or should i just grief people and ruin promos

You should be banned for even thinking about this.


clearly people losing promo series is srss bssns
the dude was clearly joking wat

I would respond with just lol but id get banned with roffles and cheep
KarlKaliente
Profile Joined March 2012
United States434 Posts
October 15 2013 13:04 GMT
#4159
On October 15 2013 21:08 Simberto wrote:
3 month afaik.



Is there any way to get them back or get more? Someone logged on my account and used all 3 of mine
UMS > Melee
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 13:58:51
October 15 2013 13:29 GMT
#4160
On October 15 2013 22:04 KarlKaliente wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 21:08 Simberto wrote:
3 month afaik.



Is there any way to get them back or get more? Someone logged on my account and used all 3 of mine


Absolutely none. I cried for 3 tickets for a Lucian refund because of the Q mana bug on release, got the same pre-written answer again and again - and I work in customer relations, so I usually know how to get what I want from supports

EDIT : I guess you could make a case for it if you got hacked. However, it sounds rather like you lent your account to a friend who used your refunds, in which case you're fucked - no account sharing in ToS.
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