On September 23 2013 21:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: have you considered that what he does looks weird because he was having technical difficulties...?
Piglet fired his ultimate before the pause, by the way, you should really check your facts out before defending your teams. Further more San recalled, then did nothing, not even buying a single item for 17 seconds if you include the moment he decided to recall. Did he really take 17 seconds to realize that something wrong after laning? If something felt wrong before the recall, wouldn't it make sense to pause the game right away? What was he doing all that time? Is it a pure coincidence that his pause was in sync with Ahri's auto-attack animation, and "luckily" cancelled it?
What was San doing during those 17 seconds? He wasn't even farming, or even buying items, and if something went wrong, he would have felt it before he recalled when he was busy farming and harassing. If something was wrong all the time, and there were no other incentives, San would have paused without waiting for 17 seconds, and if something went wrong after the recall, I'm not sure how he could have known considering he was doing nothing but sitting still in his base for the exact few seconds when the mid-lane battle occured.
You can rationalize it anyway you want, but it was a distasteful pause that I'm almost certain was calculated on the part of San to some degree. The question of whether it made a difference or not does not matter, since the intent was malicious to begin with.
Riot sticks people in the booths to monitor for these kinds of things and there were zero complaints lodged and there was no one actually involved who said it was suspicious. The only complaints I've seen are from random keyboard warriors such as yourself
randomly accusing players of malicious conduct based on pure speculation with no proof is what's actually in poor taste
On September 23 2013 21:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: have you considered that what he does looks weird because he was having technical difficulties...?
Piglet fired his ultimate before the pause, by the way, you should really check your facts out before defending your teams. Further more San recalled, then did nothing, not even buying a single item for 17 seconds if you include the moment he decided to recall. Did he really take 17 seconds to realize that something wrong after laning? If something felt wrong before the recall, wouldn't it make sense to pause the game right away? What was he doing all that time? Is it a pure coincidence that his pause was in sync with Ahri's auto-attack animation, and "luckily" cancelled it?
What was San doing during those 17 seconds? He wasn't even farming, or even buying items, and if something went wrong, he would have felt it before he recalled when he was busy farming and harassing. If something was wrong all the time, and there were no other incentives, San would have paused without waiting for 17 seconds, and if something went wrong after the recall, I'm not sure how he could have known considering he was doing nothing but sitting still in his base for the exact few seconds when the mid-lane battle occured.
You can rationalize it anyway you want, but it was a distasteful pause that I'm almost certain was calculated on the part of San to some degree. The question of whether it made a difference or not does not matter, since the intent was malicious to begin with.
Then San will be a god. Knowing that he pause will cancel Faker auto attack but not affecting Cool Move, and standing under tower for 2 seconds instead of following lovelin or calling lovelin comeback.
Personally, I don't think the first one was suspicious but the second one was suspicious. However; in China, the Chinese communities are much harsher than anyone. The curse from Baidu users are 100 times harsher than reddit/inven.(And he had already been cursed because he was considered the weakest member of OMG) Misaya was almost retired due to the curse. More importantly, this is a show match, if he did it intentionally, i will rate his IQ and EQ<0 and ask him to retire. Anyway, I did understand what you were thinking and wanted Riot give an official statement.
On September 23 2013 21:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: have you considered that what he does looks weird because he was having technical difficulties...?
Piglet fired his ultimate before the pause, by the way, you should really check your facts out before defending your teams. Further more San recalled, then did nothing, not even buying a single item for 17 seconds if you include the moment he decided to recall. Did he really take 17 seconds to realize that something wrong after laning? If something felt wrong before the recall, wouldn't it make sense to pause the game right away? What was he doing all that time? Is it a pure coincidence that his pause was in sync with Ahri's auto-attack animation, and "luckily" cancelled it?
What was San doing during those 17 seconds? He wasn't even farming, or even buying items, and if something went wrong, he would have felt it before he recalled when he was busy farming and harassing. If something was wrong all the time, and there were no other incentives, San would have paused without waiting for 17 seconds, and if something went wrong after the recall, I'm not sure how he could have known considering he was doing nothing but sitting still in his base for the exact few seconds when the mid-lane battle occured.
You can rationalize it anyway you want, but it was a distasteful pause that I'm almost certain was calculated on the part of San to some degree. The question of whether it made a difference or not does not matter, since the intent was malicious to begin with.
Riot sticks people in the booths to monitor for these kinds of things and there were zero complaints lodged and there was no one actually involved who said it was suspicious. The only complaints I've seen are from random keyboard warriors such as yourself
randomly accusing players of malicious conduct based on pure speculation with no proof is what's actually in poor taste
Riot doesn't want the image of their poorly run tournament to be tainted. Some authority they are on the subject, and it's hilarious that you think what they have to say holds any weight. If you are fine on the issue of inappropriate pauses interfering with the flow of the game, and how players can, and do abuse it to varying degrees, then stand by Riot Gaming as long as they protect your own interests.
On September 23 2013 21:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:34 Letmelose wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: have you considered that what he does looks weird because he was having technical difficulties...?
Piglet fired his ultimate before the pause, by the way, you should really check your facts out before defending your teams. Further more San recalled, then did nothing, not even buying a single item for 17 seconds if you include the moment he decided to recall. Did he really take 17 seconds to realize that something wrong after laning? If something felt wrong before the recall, wouldn't it make sense to pause the game right away? What was he doing all that time? Is it a pure coincidence that his pause was in sync with Ahri's auto-attack animation, and "luckily" cancelled it?
What was San doing during those 17 seconds? He wasn't even farming, or even buying items, and if something went wrong, he would have felt it before he recalled when he was busy farming and harassing. If something was wrong all the time, and there were no other incentives, San would have paused without waiting for 17 seconds, and if something went wrong after the recall, I'm not sure how he could have known considering he was doing nothing but sitting still in his base for the exact few seconds when the mid-lane battle occured.
You can rationalize it anyway you want, but it was a distasteful pause that I'm almost certain was calculated on the part of San to some degree. The question of whether it made a difference or not does not matter, since the intent was malicious to begin with.
Riot sticks people in the booths to monitor for these kinds of things and there were zero complaints lodged and there was no one actually involved who said it was suspicious. The only complaints I've seen are from random keyboard warriors such as yourself
randomly accusing players of malicious conduct based on pure speculation with no proof is what's actually in poor taste
Riot doesn't want the image of their poorly run tournament to be tainted. Some authority they are on the subject, and it's hilarious that you think what they have to say holds any weight. If you are fine on the issue of inappropriate pauses interfering with the flow of the game, and how players can, and do abuse it to varying degrees, then stand by Riot Gaming as long as they protect your own interests.
On September 23 2013 21:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:34 Letmelose wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: have you considered that what he does looks weird because he was having technical difficulties...?
Piglet fired his ultimate before the pause, by the way, you should really check your facts out before defending your teams. Further more San recalled, then did nothing, not even buying a single item for 17 seconds if you include the moment he decided to recall. Did he really take 17 seconds to realize that something wrong after laning? If something felt wrong before the recall, wouldn't it make sense to pause the game right away? What was he doing all that time? Is it a pure coincidence that his pause was in sync with Ahri's auto-attack animation, and "luckily" cancelled it?
What was San doing during those 17 seconds? He wasn't even farming, or even buying items, and if something went wrong, he would have felt it before he recalled when he was busy farming and harassing. If something was wrong all the time, and there were no other incentives, San would have paused without waiting for 17 seconds, and if something went wrong after the recall, I'm not sure how he could have known considering he was doing nothing but sitting still in his base for the exact few seconds when the mid-lane battle occured.
You can rationalize it anyway you want, but it was a distasteful pause that I'm almost certain was calculated on the part of San to some degree. The question of whether it made a difference or not does not matter, since the intent was malicious to begin with.
Riot sticks people in the booths to monitor for these kinds of things and there were zero complaints lodged and there was no one actually involved who said it was suspicious. The only complaints I've seen are from random keyboard warriors such as yourself
randomly accusing players of malicious conduct based on pure speculation with no proof is what's actually in poor taste
Riot doesn't want the image of their poorly run tournament to be tainted. Some authority they are on the subject, and it's hilarious that you think what they have to say holds any weight. If you are fine on the issue of inappropriate pauses interfering with the flow of the game, and how players can, and do abuse it to varying degrees, then stand by Riot Gaming as long as they protect your own interests.
Your thinking was identical to irrational internet users in China. No matter how many evidences the government have, the government is always bad and lying. I will still doubt the second pause, and wait riot to provide evidences. And I think Cool was screw up by San, it should be a 1for1 trade with Faker, and those irrational people from Baidu started to curse Cool for cheating
On September 23 2013 21:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: have you considered that what he does looks weird because he was having technical difficulties...?
Piglet fired his ultimate before the pause, by the way, you should really check your facts out before defending your teams. Further more San recalled, then did nothing, not even buying a single item for 17 seconds if you include the moment he decided to recall. Did he really take 17 seconds to realize that something wrong after laning? If something felt wrong before the recall, wouldn't it make sense to pause the game right away? What was he doing all that time? Is it a pure coincidence that his pause was in sync with Ahri's auto-attack animation, and "luckily" cancelled it?
What was San doing during those 17 seconds? He wasn't even farming, or even buying items, and if something went wrong, he would have felt it before he recalled when he was busy farming and harassing. If something was wrong all the time, and there were no other incentives, San would have paused without waiting for 17 seconds, and if something went wrong after the recall, I'm not sure how he could have known considering he was doing nothing but sitting still in his base for the exact few seconds when the mid-lane battle occured.
You can rationalize it anyway you want, but it was a distasteful pause that I'm almost certain was calculated on the part of San to some degree. The question of whether it made a difference or not does not matter, since the intent was malicious to begin with.
Then San will be a god. Knowing that he pause will cancel Faker auto attack but not affecting Cool Move, and standing under tower for 2 seconds instead of following lovelin or calling lovelin comeback.
Personally, I don't think the first one was suspicious but the second one was suspicious. However; in China, the Chinese communities are much harsher than anyone. The curse from Baidu users are 100 times harsher than reddit/inven.(And he had already been cursed because he was considered the weakest member of OMG) Misaya was almost retired due to the curse. More importantly, this is a show match, if he did it intentionally, i will rate his IQ and EQ<0 and ask him to retire. Anyway, I did understand what you were thinking and wanted Riot give an official statement.
Practice makes perfect. From what I've seen, the Chinese scene is plagued with technical difficulties, and although it's not widespread, I've heard rumours of certain players abusing these scenarios by bending to rules as much as they can.
There are zero methods of proving that the competitive integrity of the games that involved Team Solo Mid was hurt by the lack of sound-proof booths, and the idiots in the crowd that tried to give their favourite team an advantage by shouting things out. However, it is something that should be prevented, and something that Riot Gaming should watch out for. It is the same with the inappropriate pauses. It cannot be used strategically, so we can see who is truly the best, not who is the best at pausing at clutch times, or hearing out for what the crowd shouts out.
Seriously, if people aren't concerned with how the tournament is being run, and just cares about cool storylines, and doesn't want me to "ruin" the fun, then don't pretend this is something that it is not. Stop pretending that everything is fine because official statements have been stated, because we can clearly see there are problems at hand, and it is an issue that needs to be addressed if competitive integrity is to be maintained. Oh wait, that's already been thrown out the window. Carry on.
i don't think riot is doing any conspiracies, but they also are not perfectly able to enforce any rules about pausing, specifically whether a complaint is legit or not. sometimes a mouse can stop working then come back online, or at least a player can claim that.
On September 23 2013 21:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:34 Letmelose wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: have you considered that what he does looks weird because he was having technical difficulties...?
Piglet fired his ultimate before the pause, by the way, you should really check your facts out before defending your teams. Further more San recalled, then did nothing, not even buying a single item for 17 seconds if you include the moment he decided to recall. Did he really take 17 seconds to realize that something wrong after laning? If something felt wrong before the recall, wouldn't it make sense to pause the game right away? What was he doing all that time? Is it a pure coincidence that his pause was in sync with Ahri's auto-attack animation, and "luckily" cancelled it?
What was San doing during those 17 seconds? He wasn't even farming, or even buying items, and if something went wrong, he would have felt it before he recalled when he was busy farming and harassing. If something was wrong all the time, and there were no other incentives, San would have paused without waiting for 17 seconds, and if something went wrong after the recall, I'm not sure how he could have known considering he was doing nothing but sitting still in his base for the exact few seconds when the mid-lane battle occured.
You can rationalize it anyway you want, but it was a distasteful pause that I'm almost certain was calculated on the part of San to some degree. The question of whether it made a difference or not does not matter, since the intent was malicious to begin with.
Riot sticks people in the booths to monitor for these kinds of things and there were zero complaints lodged and there was no one actually involved who said it was suspicious. The only complaints I've seen are from random keyboard warriors such as yourself
randomly accusing players of malicious conduct based on pure speculation with no proof is what's actually in poor taste
Riot doesn't want the image of their poorly run tournament to be tainted. Some authority they are on the subject, and it's hilarious that you think what they have to say holds any weight. If you are fine on the issue of inappropriate pauses interfering with the flow of the game, and how players can, and do abuse it to varying degrees, then stand by Riot Gaming as long as they protect your own interests.
this is prince xizor level paranoia right here
Riot Gaming has always been piss-poor at handling competition side of things, but they do put up a good show. How is this paranoia? Are you going to address my points, or are you going to slander me because you don't feel like talking this through?
On September 23 2013 22:03 oneofthem wrote: i don't think riot is doing any conspiracies, but they also are not perfectly able to enforce any rules about pausing, specifically whether a complaint is legit or not. sometimes a mouse can stop working then come back online, or at least a player can claim that.
exactly
it's fine to call for a different set of rules for this kind of stuff based on principle - and perhaps they should be in place, it's not unreasonable
but when there are no rules in place and you're uncertain of the actual scenario, it's in poor taste to jump to the conclusion that a team is acting maliciously. basically you can go innocent until proven guilty or you can be a PX level paranoid asshat and complain every time something happens
comparing this to the sound booths is ridiculous considering we actually have multiple players from many teams stating they can hear sounds that affect their performance when they have no conflict of interest in saying so (for games that happened long ago, retired people, etc.)
On September 23 2013 21:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:52 Letmelose wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:34 Letmelose wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: have you considered that what he does looks weird because he was having technical difficulties...?
Piglet fired his ultimate before the pause, by the way, you should really check your facts out before defending your teams. Further more San recalled, then did nothing, not even buying a single item for 17 seconds if you include the moment he decided to recall. Did he really take 17 seconds to realize that something wrong after laning? If something felt wrong before the recall, wouldn't it make sense to pause the game right away? What was he doing all that time? Is it a pure coincidence that his pause was in sync with Ahri's auto-attack animation, and "luckily" cancelled it?
What was San doing during those 17 seconds? He wasn't even farming, or even buying items, and if something went wrong, he would have felt it before he recalled when he was busy farming and harassing. If something was wrong all the time, and there were no other incentives, San would have paused without waiting for 17 seconds, and if something went wrong after the recall, I'm not sure how he could have known considering he was doing nothing but sitting still in his base for the exact few seconds when the mid-lane battle occured.
You can rationalize it anyway you want, but it was a distasteful pause that I'm almost certain was calculated on the part of San to some degree. The question of whether it made a difference or not does not matter, since the intent was malicious to begin with.
Riot sticks people in the booths to monitor for these kinds of things and there were zero complaints lodged and there was no one actually involved who said it was suspicious. The only complaints I've seen are from random keyboard warriors such as yourself
randomly accusing players of malicious conduct based on pure speculation with no proof is what's actually in poor taste
Riot doesn't want the image of their poorly run tournament to be tainted. Some authority they are on the subject, and it's hilarious that you think what they have to say holds any weight. If you are fine on the issue of inappropriate pauses interfering with the flow of the game, and how players can, and do abuse it to varying degrees, then stand by Riot Gaming as long as they protect your own interests.
this is prince xizor level paranoia right here
Riot Gaming has always been piss-poor at handling competition side of things, but they do put up a good show. How is this paranoia? Are you going to address my points, or are you going to slander me because you don't feel like talking this through?
your points are stupid because they basically consist of "i think this is suspicious, but no one can prove anything either way, so HAH i'm right cause you can't prove anything"
On September 23 2013 22:01 Letmelose wrote:
Practice makes perfect.
Like this shit^
u srs? you're basically accusing a team of practicing systematic cheating lol
either put up some proof or stop making baseless accusations
On September 23 2013 21:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: have you considered that what he does looks weird because he was having technical difficulties...?
Piglet fired his ultimate before the pause, by the way, you should really check your facts out before defending your teams. Further more San recalled, then did nothing, not even buying a single item for 17 seconds if you include the moment he decided to recall. Did he really take 17 seconds to realize that something wrong after laning? If something felt wrong before the recall, wouldn't it make sense to pause the game right away? What was he doing all that time? Is it a pure coincidence that his pause was in sync with Ahri's auto-attack animation, and "luckily" cancelled it?
What was San doing during those 17 seconds? He wasn't even farming, or even buying items, and if something went wrong, he would have felt it before he recalled when he was busy farming and harassing. If something was wrong all the time, and there were no other incentives, San would have paused without waiting for 17 seconds, and if something went wrong after the recall, I'm not sure how he could have known considering he was doing nothing but sitting still in his base for the exact few seconds when the mid-lane battle occured.
You can rationalize it anyway you want, but it was a distasteful pause that I'm almost certain was calculated on the part of San to some degree. The question of whether it made a difference or not does not matter, since the intent was malicious to begin with.
Then San will be a god. Knowing that he pause will cancel Faker auto attack but not affecting Cool Move, and standing under tower for 2 seconds instead of following lovelin or calling lovelin comeback.
Personally, I don't think the first one was suspicious but the second one was suspicious. However; in China, the Chinese communities are much harsher than anyone. The curse from Baidu users are 100 times harsher than reddit/inven.(And he had already been cursed because he was considered the weakest member of OMG) Misaya was almost retired due to the curse. More importantly, this is a show match, if he did it intentionally, i will rate his IQ and EQ<0 and ask him to retire. Anyway, I did understand what you were thinking and wanted Riot give an official statement.
Practice makes perfect. From what I've seen, the Chinese scene is plagued with technical difficulties, and although it's not widespread, I've heard rumours of certain players abusing these scenarios by bending to rules as much as they can.
There are zero methods of proving that the competitive integrity of the games that involved Team Solo Mid was hurt by the lack of sound-proof booths, and the idiots in the crowd that tried to give their favourite team an advantage by shouting things out. However, it is something that should be prevented, and something that Riot Gaming should watch out for. It is the same with the inappropriate pauses. It cannot be used strategically, so we can see who is truly the best, not who is the best at pausing at clutch times, or hearing out for what the crowd shouts out.
Seriously, if people aren't concerned with how the tournament is being run, and just cares about cool storylines, and doesn't want me to "ruin" the fun, then don't pretend this is something that it is not. Stop pretending that everything is fine because official statements have been stated, because we can clearly see there are problems at hand, and it is an issue that needs to be addressed if competitive integrity is to be maintained. Oh wait, that's already been thrown out the window. Carry on.
Of course it will carry on. No one will care the people only believe their speculations instead of evidences. By considering your evidence, I started to doubt San action. If Riot can provide some evidences such as San's scenes, I will remove my doubt. However, I will believe Riot Referee's IQ, who checked San's computer during that match.
On September 23 2013 22:03 oneofthem wrote: i don't think riot is doing any conspiracies, but they also are not perfectly able to enforce any rules about pausing, specifically whether a complaint is legit or not. sometimes a mouse can stop working then come back online, or at least a player can claim that.
On September 23 2013 22:03 oneofthem wrote: i don't think riot is doing any conspiracies, but they also are not perfectly able to enforce any rules about pausing, specifically whether a complaint is legit or not. sometimes a mouse can stop working then come back online, or at least a player can claim that.
exactly
it's fine to call for a different set of rules for this kind of stuff based on principle - and perhaps they should be in place, it's not unreasonable
but when there are no rules in place and you're uncertain of the actual scenario, it's in poor taste to jump to the conclusion that a team is acting maliciously. basically you can go innocent until proven guilty or you can be a PX level paranoid asshat and complain every time something happens
comparing this to the sound booths is ridiculous considering we actually have multiple players from many teams stating they can hear sounds that affect their performance when they have no conflict of interest in saying so (for games that happened long ago, retired people, etc.)
There are past accounts of pause timings being abused in competitive gaming. It's something that needs to be addressed.
By the way, according to your logic, Team Solo Mid is exempt from all scrutiny from any advantages they might have gotten in this tournament because there are no absolute proof that any of their specific plays were based upon the noticable calls from the crowd. I cannot raise an issue with the obviously unhanded nature of these scenarios because I might hurt the feelings of an OMG fan, because apparently associating any negative implications to a team is much more hurtful than the actions of that goes within the tournament that actually impact the plays in the game in ways they weren't meant to.
Seriously, you're asking me to let it go. Okay fine, but don't state that the situation was totally legitimate in every single way, because of some random PR statement from the team. I won't raise a shitstorm, and you won't try to sugar-coat it? Deal? Seriously, I'm sick of your petty slandering, and you have done nothing to contribute except go gung-ho in your attempt to defend your teams honour.
On September 23 2013 22:18 oneofthem wrote: they should do it like bw where only ingame referees can pause.
The one insightful post in a series of name calling, all sentiments and zero-substance to-and-fro posts that I've been a part of. You managed to bring more useful content in your one sentence than the entire mind-numbing, meaningless ordeal I had to put up here.
On September 23 2013 22:18 oneofthem wrote: they should do it like bw where only ingame referees can pause.
The one insightful post in a series of name calling, all sentiments and zero-substance to-and-fro posts that I've been a part of. You managed to bring more useful content in your one sentence than the entire mind-numbing, meaningless ordeal I had to put up here.
i called your claim stupid (because it was)
you proceeded to call me, directly and indirectly across multiple posts, pitiful, a slanderer, petty, etc., (not to mention accusing a team of being, essentially, cheaters, which is a pretty big fucking deal and a pretty bold claim) and you're suddenly offended by "name-calling," when you're basically the only one who has engaged in it?
hell you're still doing it after claiming to "let it go" lol
you're not the victim getting ganged up by the evil forces of blind omg fanboys here, you're the instigator, and you put yourself in that role by, again, randomly calling a team cheaters and expecting everyone to just nod and agree with you
On September 23 2013 22:38 niukasu1990 wrote: I just cannot figure out the purpose of that 'intentional' second pause. Wanna kill faker in a show match? seems legit.
On September 23 2013 22:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Like this shit^
u srs? you're basically accusing a team of practicing systematic cheating lol
either put up some proof or stop making baseless accusations
money is involved, lots of money, lots of exposure. hell, people pay to have fucking followers on twitter, which essentially is cheating and you coat your patriotic feelings in some kind of idealistic thought of sportsmanship, that doesnt exist anywhere money is thrown around.
money is involved, lots of money, lots of exposure. hell, people pay to have fucking followers on twitter, which essentially is cheating and you coat your patriotic feelings in some kind of idealistic thought of sportsmanship, that doesnt exist anywhere money is thrown around.
nowhere did i deny that sometimes, people cheat
but just because some people sometimes cheat doesn't mean you get to go call a team cheaters without proof
On September 23 2013 22:18 oneofthem wrote: they should do it like bw where only ingame referees can pause.
The one insightful post in a series of name calling, all sentiments and zero-substance to-and-fro posts that I've been a part of. You managed to bring more useful content in your one sentence than the entire mind-numbing, meaningless ordeal I had to put up here.
i called your claim stupid (because it was)
you proceeded to call me, directly and indirectly across multiple posts, pitiful, a slanderer, petty, etc., (not to mention accusing a team of being, essentially, cheaters, which is a pretty big fucking deal and a pretty bold claim) and you're suddenly offended by "name-calling," when you're basically the only one who has engaged in it?
hell you're still doing it after claiming to "let it go" lol
you're not the victim getting ganged up by the evil forces of blind omg fanboys here, you're the instigator, and you put yourself in that role by, again, randomly calling a team cheaters and expecting everyone to just nod and agree with you
On September 23 2013 22:38 niukasu1990 wrote: I just cannot figure out the purpose of that 'intentional' second pause. Wanna kill faker in a show match? seems legit.
cheaters gonna cheat old habits die hard etc etc
very legit
I really didn't want to continue this conversation, but since I'm a sucker for self-punishment, I'll just repeat myself ad-infinitum until you get it.
You never even touched upon the circumstantial evidence I've put forth, and instead relied on the lack of official statements from Riot Gaming, and the statements from OMG to point out that there aren't any incriminating evidence available. Well, no shit Sherlock, that's why it's a problem like with the listening to the crowd chants or calls, because despite unintended the influence it could have on the game, Riot Gaming has failed to implement any fail safe devices against it, and won't act upon it unless something shamelessly blatant happens (which I agree isn't the case here, but it's definitely suspicious, and distasteful as hell).
It's so frustrating to point out the wrong details you've put forth (you didn't even watch the games, and seem to have drawn out all the excuses in your mind already without even knowing the details), and explain why the circumstances involved are most likely malicious, and why it should be prevented, only to hear useless statements I already know such as the point that Riot Gaming has not released a statement, or there are no methods of knowing for sure whether San was intentional with the timing of his pauses.
All you repeated was how paranoid I was and why nothing can be known for sure. It's like you believe everything is alright as long as Riot Gaming says it's okay. Since when were they beyond question? Why are you putting so much trust in the players despite all of the circumstantial evidence all of the sudden? If there are outside-the-game factors that can be misused, and certain incidence where it may have occured repeats itself, why is it so rude to mention it, especially when there are methods in which we can erase all doubt altogether? I would have been willing to put up with any jabs against the Koreans if Riot Gaming stuck to their stupid policy of having a giant minimap a shoulder's glance away of the players involved, just to see it go away for the good of the competition. Are you that worried any slights or accusations against OMG to the degree no one can mention any pause-related abuses in order to get rid of it in the future, despite the fact that OMG has been involved in more suspicious cases of it (intentional or not, they are personal judgements) than any other team thus far?
Like someone already mentioned, the timing of the pause should never be in the hands of the players anyhow, and it's stupid of Riot Gaming to let the players decide for themselves. Until then, unless we point out suspicious incidents such as this (especially if there are PR statements being posted here to pretend nothing happened and this isn't an issue), there is no stopping even worse things from happening. Seriously, is that the most important thing to you here, whether or not I'm questioning the moral integrity of San or Dyrus, or whichever player you happen to like?
Is there not even the slightest bit of you that makes you wonder whether San truly needed those 17 seconds to decide whether he needed to pause the moment he started to recall, and wasn't tempted at all to gain (consciously or not) some sort of advantage for his team with the timing of his pauses? Are you so sure that any of the past incidences similar to the game in question weren't of a similar nature? Or do you simply not care whether they do it or not as long as they're not caught, because that's what matters in the end. Innocent until proven guilty. Why are you mad at me for calling a suspicious set of circumstances for what they are, and if these weren't incriminating enough for you, don't you at least agree that Riot Gaming has been thoroughly incompetent at preventing something that could be stopped way beforehand? That's my point here. This cannot be abused anymore whether San really did mean to or not. Same with the listening to the crowd calls. Same with looking at the the broadasting screens. If you were offended by the tone in which I described San, then I'm sorry for calling him out on what I believe he is. Of course I'm not certain, but guess what, I'm pretty sure I'm right, and if you weren't so attatched to what you believe to be the mantra of "innocent until proven guilty", you would be suspicious too if you were fully aware of the details.
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