EPTToo used to be able to just rush Locket to realise how harsh that meta actually is, even for supposedly "tanky" supports.
(And screw Renekton's W and such going through Jax's counterstrike.)
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Too used to be able to just rush Locket to realise how harsh that meta actually is, even for supposedly "tanky" supports. (And screw Renekton's W and such going through Jax's counterstrike.) | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
Ironstylus is so happy. | ||
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Lounge
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That's just how support is. Kindlegem is just a piece to ancient golem as the jungler, but as a support it's your dream to be fed enough to afford a Kindlegem. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11521 Posts
On September 10 2013 03:26 Alaric wrote: Man, buying oracles every 4 minutes and shitting wards instead of buying stuff like Locket (ended up trying to build Randuin's) makes even Leona so damn squishy. ;_; Too used to be able to just rush Locket to realise how harsh that meta actually is, even for supposedly "tanky" supports. I have stopped doing that. I have come to the conclusion that your team barely uses the vision advantage enough to warrant constant oracles and dozens of wards. I still by a few additional wards and pinks over the stone wards, and i get oracles if i think the situation justifies it (which mostly means times at which i think a lot of stuff will happen around baron). Too often do i produce a major vision advantage only to have my whole team just running down midlane towards the opponent, which basically means that all that money in oracles is wasted, and suddenly the enemy support has a shurelyas and a locket while i am still on wardstone + boots. Especially considering that junglers don't really build locket, that is actually a pretty significant effect on teamfights which you gave up for all those excessive wards and oracles. I don't think the really hardcore wardbitch style of supporting is worth it in soloqueue. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 10 2013 03:31 Lounge wrote: Kindlegem is your endgame goal on support. Even though it has potential upgrades it's essentially a final item on support. Everything else is too expensive or too clunky parts-wise. That's just how support is. Kindlegem is just a piece to ancient golem as the jungler, but as a support it's your dream to be fed enough to afford a Kindlegem. Bitch I get my kindlegem ultra early, keep those kills. ADC gets the cs, I get the kills. Fair trade. On September 10 2013 03:32 Simberto wrote: I have stopped doing that. I have come to the conclusion that your team barely uses the vision advantage enough to warrant constant oracles and dozens of wards. I still by a few additional wards and pinks over the stone wards, and i get oracles if i think the situation justifies it (which mostly means times at which i think a lot of stuff will happen around baron). Too often do i produce a major vision advantage only to have my whole team just running down midlane towards the opponent, which basically means that all that money in oracles is wasted, and suddenly the enemy support has a shurelyas and a locket while i am still on wardstone + boots. Especially considering that junglers don't really build locket, that is actually a pretty significant effect on teamfights which you gave up for all those excessive wards and oracles. I don't think the really hardcore wardbitch style of supporting is worth it in soloqueue. I concur with this, I light up the map like a christmas tree and take away all of their vision. Tristana still gets caught solo farming by zed. After the 50th time this happened I gave up on ward spam and just go towards team items. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On September 10 2013 03:58 Fusilero wrote: Bitch I get my kindlegem ultra early, keep those kills. ADC gets the cs, I get the kills. Fair trade. I get Philo-Kages-Sightstone super early (full gp10 runes) on some supports. Kindle? Nah bro, I'll get a locket. EDIT: Also, jeez Riot has done alot with the Spectator client recently. In-client dragon/baron timers and a teamfight menu. The one thing I actually kinda want is the gold/exp graphs that DotA2 has, but it's comparatively less important in League anyways. Still, would be a nice luxury. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On September 10 2013 04:03 Fusilero wrote: I think a gold graph would be cool, exp graph is probably be pointless though in league. The one thing it would be decent at is tracking teamwide exp vs exp, and general level advantages I'd think. But yes, it's pretty minor. What I would really like is to be able to readily track when different lanes are about to hit major level breakpoints (for instance level 6 for Kassadin) in comparison to the enemy laner, as it can tell a great deal. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 10 2013 03:32 Simberto wrote: I have stopped doing that. I have come to the conclusion that your team barely uses the vision advantage enough to warrant constant oracles and dozens of wards. I still by a few additional wards and pinks over the stone wards, and i get oracles if i think the situation justifies it (which mostly means times at which i think a lot of stuff will happen around baron). Too often do i produce a major vision advantage only to have my whole team just running down midlane towards the opponent, which basically means that all that money in oracles is wasted, and suddenly the enemy support has a shurelyas and a locket while i am still on wardstone + boots. Especially considering that junglers don't really build locket, that is actually a pretty significant effect on teamfights which you gave up for all those excessive wards and oracles. I don't think the really hardcore wardbitch style of supporting is worth it in soloqueue. It's actually an important skill to know when and where it is efficient to ward, not just haphazardly shitting out wards wherever you go. It's sometimes overlooked because wards in LoL are not on a limited stock, but when you can get away with buying less wards and sneaking in a real item because of the way the game is playing out, it's YOUR misplay to be placing wards that don't accomplish anything, not your team's. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I don't understand why they can't also display individual health bars or K/D scores somewhere. In particular not having the scoreboard means that in a really cluttered fight you can't tell who got what kills until each kill announcement flashes by at the top or they bring the scoreboard back up--exacerbated by how LoL doesn't log kills to the chat log the way DotA does. | ||
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Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 10 2013 04:28 Kaneh wrote: is it bad then i like to get twin shadows right after sightstone all the time every time? I feel like the active and ms is much more helpful in soloq for poking around and not having to facecheck. i dunno i just feel (at least in soloq) that it's ridiculously good. "all the time every time" is bad practice for any position or champ you're playing... | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 10 2013 04:38 Slusher wrote: neither of those teams are technically LCS teams atm I guess I'm a bit unsure on the rules, I thought they were officially LCS until they drop out of relegation. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
Really excited that IEM brings back the international tournament, let's just hope that they can actually invite lcs teams instead of challenger teams. Corki is really really strong atm. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
On September 10 2013 04:42 AsnSensation wrote: Corki is really really strong atm. Is can b haff tryhard force? am stronk. | ||
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