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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
September 23 2013 16:54 GMT
#4681
On September 24 2013 01:46 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 01:44 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 24 2013 01:40 Requizen wrote:
I decided that I suck in melee and will only play ranged champs in every position from now on.

Does Twitch jungle still work?


Nah, but dat Elise and Karma doe. Real ballers Karma jungle.

Troll all you like. You can't get me demoted anymore :3

I could probably learn Fiddle jungle too.


Clearly someone hasn't watched much Diamondprox. Karma jungle legit.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 23 2013 16:58 GMT
#4682
On September 24 2013 01:54 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 01:46 Requizen wrote:
On September 24 2013 01:44 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 24 2013 01:40 Requizen wrote:
I decided that I suck in melee and will only play ranged champs in every position from now on.

Does Twitch jungle still work?


Nah, but dat Elise and Karma doe. Real ballers Karma jungle.

Troll all you like. You can't get me demoted anymore :3

I could probably learn Fiddle jungle too.


Clearly someone hasn't watched much Diamondprox. Karma jungle legit.

You're legit going to get me reported.

Link.
It's your boy Guzma!
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
September 23 2013 16:59 GMT
#4683
On September 23 2013 23:55 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 23:35 Kenpark wrote:
So inspired by Genja I´ve been going Dorans Shield and 14-16 masteries corki vs cait without a heal support, Having great sucess. The harass is neglible and you trade like a boss. LH is also not rly a prob cause of Corki passive.


If you're going to do that why go 14-16? Why not 17-13? Something like http://www.finalesfunkeln.com/s3/#MGU7jwUa2kUrd

prettty sure 3 ad and 2 armor pen is gonna be better than havoc for your last 3 points in the offensive tree
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
September 23 2013 17:02 GMT
#4684
On September 24 2013 01:58 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 01:54 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 24 2013 01:46 Requizen wrote:
On September 24 2013 01:44 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 24 2013 01:40 Requizen wrote:
I decided that I suck in melee and will only play ranged champs in every position from now on.

Does Twitch jungle still work?


Nah, but dat Elise and Karma doe. Real ballers Karma jungle.

Troll all you like. You can't get me demoted anymore :3

I could probably learn Fiddle jungle too.


Clearly someone hasn't watched much Diamondprox. Karma jungle legit.

You're legit going to get me reported.

Link.


Mobile links OP but here you go!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u5vor2_OFAA&desktop_uri=/watch?v=u5vor2_OFAA
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 23 2013 17:03 GMT
#4685
On September 24 2013 01:58 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 01:54 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 24 2013 01:46 Requizen wrote:
On September 24 2013 01:44 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 24 2013 01:40 Requizen wrote:
I decided that I suck in melee and will only play ranged champs in every position from now on.

Does Twitch jungle still work?


Nah, but dat Elise and Karma doe. Real ballers Karma jungle.

Troll all you like. You can't get me demoted anymore :3

I could probably learn Fiddle jungle too.


Clearly someone hasn't watched much Diamondprox. Karma jungle legit.

You're legit going to get me reported.

Link.




I could only remember that it was vs alternate, so look for the vod yourself ^^ week7 vs atn
fnatic destroyed it though, mainly because of a lvl 3 invade where Diamond died and lost his blue.
Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
September 23 2013 17:04 GMT
#4686
On September 24 2013 01:03 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I think HG is really good if you're ahead to amplify your damage but if you find yourself unable to convert early ganks into kills it does slow down your items quite a bit and makes it a bit more difficult for you to maximize effectiveness in mid game fights.

Pen just tend to be better when you're ahead in general for all roles and characters since it then forces the enemy to choose between building tank at the cost of no damage or to keep with their normal build and end up really easy to kill, since pen is more effective the less stats they have.

Is there a writeup out there somewhere that explains stats like mpen/apen and why they're effective in certain situations over building AP/AD? I've been playing League for around two years now and I understand how to build champions (for the most part), but I don't really know why. The stat system that Riot uses is still very foreign to me for some reason.
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upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
September 23 2013 17:05 GMT
#4687
Gamania Bears confirmed favorites for Worlds:

ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 17:09:47
September 23 2013 17:07 GMT
#4688
Karma jungle is so fun. The W bait is so good and the passive is extremely satisfying.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
September 23 2013 17:10 GMT
#4689
On September 24 2013 01:40 Requizen wrote:
I decided that I suck in melee and will only play ranged champs in every position from now on.

Does Twitch jungle still work?

Yes. He can clear without using any pots thanks to his passive and correct placement, made a post in the TROLLS thread with the locations.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
September 23 2013 17:11 GMT
#4690
On September 24 2013 02:04 Headshot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 01:03 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I think HG is really good if you're ahead to amplify your damage but if you find yourself unable to convert early ganks into kills it does slow down your items quite a bit and makes it a bit more difficult for you to maximize effectiveness in mid game fights.

Pen just tend to be better when you're ahead in general for all roles and characters since it then forces the enemy to choose between building tank at the cost of no damage or to keep with their normal build and end up really easy to kill, since pen is more effective the less stats they have.

Is there a writeup out there somewhere that explains stats like mpen/apen and why they're effective in certain situations over building AP/AD? I've been playing League for around two years now and I understand how to build champions (for the most part), but I don't really know why. The stat system that Riot uses is still very foreign to me for some reason.

Not really an exhaustive explanation but:
The less Mres the enemy has the better Mpen is (up until the point where your Mpen is higher than their Mres)
The more damage your skills have and the worse ratios they have, the better Mpen is on them.
example: Annie's Q needs 350 AP to double its damage at max level.
Karthus' E needs 550 AP to double its damage at max level.
Mpen is comparatively better for Karthus' E than for Annie's Q.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 23 2013 17:14 GMT
#4691
From an outsider's prospective, someone who never tried it, it feels to me like jungle Karma was nerfed out of being good by the locket/bulwark changes.

is this wrong?
Carrilord has arrived.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
September 23 2013 17:17 GMT
#4692
On September 24 2013 02:05 upperbound wrote:
Gamania Bears confirmed favorites for Worlds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivOTb87u-P0


What a God
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 17:21:12
September 23 2013 17:20 GMT
#4693
On September 24 2013 02:14 Slusher wrote:
From an outsider's prospective, someone who never tried it, it feels to me like jungle Karma was nerfed out of being good by the locket/bulwark changes.

is this wrong?

The skill kit is pretty good for a jungler in the current meta. Fast clear/ root / poke/ sustain. And the locket isnt needed on jungler anymore. The MR builds is now more individual.
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
September 23 2013 17:22 GMT
#4694
On September 24 2013 02:17 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 02:05 upperbound wrote:
Gamania Bears confirmed favorites for Worlds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivOTb87u-P0


What a God


wow wtf how does that work? He taunts everybody until he flashes (assuming he flashes before the taunt finishes and taunts the people directly on top of where he flashes?

pretty sick, although I'm not exactly sure taunting 4 people level 1 seems like the best idea if you just spent your flash (although it worked out! )
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 23 2013 17:23 GMT
#4695
On September 24 2013 02:05 upperbound wrote:
Gamania Bears confirmed favorites for Worlds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivOTb87u-P0

I particularly enjoy the fact he's using the TPA skin for this.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 23 2013 17:24 GMT
#4696
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 23 2013 17:25 GMT
#4697
oh jungle Morg is already confirmed godmode
Carrilord has arrived.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 17:31:41
September 23 2013 17:27 GMT
#4698
On September 24 2013 02:22 Complete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 02:17 OdinOfPergo wrote:
On September 24 2013 02:05 upperbound wrote:
Gamania Bears confirmed favorites for Worlds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivOTb87u-P0


What a God


wow wtf how does that work? He taunts everybody until he flashes (assuming he flashes before the taunt finishes and taunts the people directly on top of where he flashes?

pretty sick, although I'm not exactly sure taunting 4 people level 1 seems like the best idea if you just spent your flash (although it worked out! )

He taunts, grabs the first two then flashes. Since he's still in taunt mode the two behind get the end of it.
I love flash taunting, it's the main reason I play shen if only for the level of "surprise motherfucker" when people forget you can do that in yolo queue.
Also there is one thing I must make clear, steak (the shen) has a fucking Asian fro, impact stands no chance
http://euw.lolesports.com/worlds/players/steak
Glorious SEA doto
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 23 2013 17:36 GMT
#4699
On September 24 2013 02:17 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 02:05 upperbound wrote:
Gamania Bears confirmed favorites for Worlds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivOTb87u-P0


What a God

Faker never stood a chance.
incoming Bears 2-0.
liftlift > tsm
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 17:42:52
September 23 2013 17:38 GMT
#4700
On September 24 2013 02:25 Slusher wrote:
oh jungle Morg is already confirmed godmode

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jungle Morg is one of the most viable AP jungler today.

That fking Snare dude. And with a Spectral, Smite heals her for hilariously large amounts.

On September 24 2013 02:36 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 02:17 OdinOfPergo wrote:
On September 24 2013 02:05 upperbound wrote:
Gamania Bears confirmed favorites for Worlds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivOTb87u-P0


What a God

Faker never stood a chance.
incoming Bears 2-0.



Bears. Godless killing machines, each and every one of them.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
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