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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
September 23 2013 13:42 GMT
#4661
Thanks for all the Sej feedback, I'll try to get 10+ games in with her this week and then report back on how strong I feel she is compared to Amumu. Seems to me that Rammus feels a pretty similar position to amumu (anti-AD, shuts down hypercarries well).
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 23 2013 14:25 GMT
#4662
On September 23 2013 15:14 Arisen wrote:
Also, I don't know how impact manages to stay in lane so long, I feel like I run out of mana extremely quickly. I run a max Q build to really punish people post 6 with a Q+empowered AA+W reset AA combo, and I couldn't really see what impact was doing, obviously, so he might have been doing something different.

Don't use W. Or, more pecisely, after the Q->ult'd aa, keep hitting them, and only use W if you can get a 2nd ult'd aa with it (if they run away), or if they turn to fight you to increase your dps with the headstart your jump gave you.

As Jax your Q is really a way to reach your opponent if you can't just walk up to them when your ult is primed, and your W a way to reach the 2nd ult'd aa faster. If you can mash someone without having to jump to them (most melees once you have Phage) then keep the jump. Best case is they lose, try to run, and you can jump to them to get another 1-2 aa thanks to that.

(I suck at Jax though, the more I play him the more I realise that I only do well against other mediocre players or because of his excellent scaling if I manage not to miss too much cs. I still manage to lose post-6 to Shen, for shame. >.>)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
September 23 2013 14:35 GMT
#4663
So inspired by Genja I´ve been going Dorans Shield and 14-16 masteries corki vs cait without a heal support, Having great sucess. The harass is neglible and you trade like a boss. LH is also not rly a prob cause of Corki passive.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
September 23 2013 14:51 GMT
#4664
As Singed vs Vlad you have to play a very specific way that leaves you open to jungle pressure - especially the first 5 levels, so you need your jungler to be ready for a countergank which is not always easy. Vladimir generally wins the lane though.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 23 2013 14:55 GMT
#4665
On September 23 2013 23:35 Kenpark wrote:
So inspired by Genja I´ve been going Dorans Shield and 14-16 masteries corki vs cait without a heal support, Having great sucess. The harass is neglible and you trade like a boss. LH is also not rly a prob cause of Corki passive.


If you're going to do that why go 14-16? Why not 17-13? Something like http://www.finalesfunkeln.com/s3/#MGU7jwUa2kUrd
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 15:05:06
September 23 2013 15:03 GMT
#4666
What are people's thoughts on Eve jungle at the moment? I'm not good at all, but I went form Bronze 2 to Gold 5 in 70, or so games playing her in the vast majority with a 71%+ winrate and I feel like she's free elo so far. I run Ignite/Smite, which tends to ward off the early level counterjungling and normally gets me first blood when I gank around level 3/4. My core is Sorc Boots/SotEL/Haunting Guise into DFG if the other team is squishy or Rylais/Liandrys if I need to be a bit tankier fast.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23445403#profile

Any tips from higher elo players/discussion in general are welcome!
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schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
September 23 2013 15:10 GMT
#4667
On September 23 2013 20:09 The_Unseen wrote:
I've started playing Vlad as well, and found him to require a completely different gameplay than most solo laners I've experienced with until now. He does seem veeeery potent in lane once you get past the rough start.

On that theme, is it worth it to rush Seeker's against heavy hitters AD tops, or is Revolver just absolutely key to being able to lane comfortably with Vlad? both are pretty much the same costs, so I've encountered the dilemma already


From my newb experience if I'm versing something I REALLY need armor for I might go seekers before revolver, but if I go revolver I'll always go armguard before finishing wraith.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 23 2013 15:11 GMT
#4668
she was freeelo in bronze&silver for you because down there people already celebrate the actual purchase of [green]wards. Doubt people know about Pinkwards down there.

In all honesty though, she's good across all levels. That's why she is Diamondprox' main. She completely changes the way people have to lane and forces a significant amount of money into pinkwards.

your build is fine, Diiamond builds the same although he usually skips the haunting guise nowadays and korean eve's even skip the elder lizard sometimes.
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
September 23 2013 15:39 GMT
#4669
On September 23 2013 23:55 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 23:35 Kenpark wrote:
So inspired by Genja I´ve been going Dorans Shield and 14-16 masteries corki vs cait without a heal support, Having great sucess. The harass is neglible and you trade like a boss. LH is also not rly a prob cause of Corki passive.


If you're going to do that why go 14-16? Why not 17-13? Something like http://www.finalesfunkeln.com/s3/#MGU7jwUa2kUrd


Oh ye that is way better. I had this mastery just saved as my "defensive" adc page and never rly thought about it lol. The magic pene is obv great as corki. Thx for the input.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
September 23 2013 15:42 GMT
#4670
On September 23 2013 22:42 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Thanks for all the Sej feedback, I'll try to get 10+ games in with her this week and then report back on how strong I feel she is compared to Amumu. Seems to me that Rammus feels a pretty similar position to amumu (anti-AD, shuts down hypercarries well).

Rammus is anti-AD damage, sort of, but not anti-AD carry. Has limited diving options and generally gets owned by double AD. That is partially because it's difficult to follow up any Rammus initiate besides flash+taunt. Amumu is much better in this regard.
On September 24 2013 00:03 Headshot wrote:
What are people's thoughts on Eve jungle at the moment? I'm not good at all, but I went form Bronze 2 to Gold 5 in 70, or so games playing her in the vast majority with a 71%+ winrate and I feel like she's free elo so far. I run Ignite/Smite, which tends to ward off the early level counterjungling and normally gets me first blood when I gank around level 3/4. My core is Sorc Boots/SotEL/Haunting Guise into DFG if the other team is squishy or Rylais/Liandrys if I need to be a bit tankier fast.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23445403#profile

Any tips from higher elo players/discussion in general are welcome!

As mentioned above, Diamond has been skipping Haunting Guise lately, I am not sure what the best build is currently, but yours seems fine enough.
On a random Evelynn-related note, you might want to make sure you have enough hard CC or capability to pick some if necessary, as Evelynn somewhat vulnarable to assasins. She doesn't have anything to stop them besides damage, and teams often rely on junglers to have some hard CC, so that is something to keep in mind.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 23 2013 15:43 GMT
#4671
I think you should actually just link him your amazing Evelynn-jungle post Scip. Everythig he desires is there^^.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
September 23 2013 15:49 GMT
#4672
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167340&currentpage=16#310

The itembuild is quite outdated though, I wouldn't really reccomend eithewr Zhonyas or Rylais anymore.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
September 23 2013 15:50 GMT
#4673
On September 24 2013 00:42 Scip wrote:
As mentioned above, Diamond has been skipping Haunting Guise lately, I am not sure what the best build is currently, but yours seems fine enough.
On a random Evelynn-related note, you might want to make sure you have enough hard CC or capability to pick some if necessary, as Evelynn somewhat vulnarable to assasins. She doesn't have anything to stop them besides damage, and teams often rely on junglers to have some hard CC, so that is something to keep in mind.

Yeah, I normally suggest my lanes to pick something with a bit of CC. I've found that I've had the most success paired with Ryze, TF, Renek, Voli top, Leona, Nami, and Zyra. The assassin that gives me the most trouble seems to be Kass when I don't manage to shut him down early.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 16:04:04
September 23 2013 16:03 GMT
#4674
I think HG is really good if you're ahead to amplify your damage but if you find yourself unable to convert early ganks into kills it does slow down your items quite a bit and makes it a bit more difficult for you to maximize effectiveness in mid game fights.

Pen just tend to be better when you're ahead in general for all roles and characters since it then forces the enemy to choose between building tank at the cost of no damage or to keep with their normal build and end up really easy to kill, since pen is more effective the less stats they have.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 23 2013 16:36 GMT
#4675
On September 23 2013 23:35 Kenpark wrote:
So inspired by Genja I´ve been going Dorans Shield and 14-16 masteries corki vs cait without a heal support, Having great sucess. The harass is neglible and you trade like a boss. LH is also not rly a prob cause of Corki passive.


This is old news. 14-16 is kind of standard.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 23 2013 16:40 GMT
#4676
I decided that I suck in melee and will only play ranged champs in every position from now on.

Does Twitch jungle still work?
It's your boy Guzma!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
September 23 2013 16:44 GMT
#4677
On September 24 2013 01:40 Requizen wrote:
I decided that I suck in melee and will only play ranged champs in every position from now on.

Does Twitch jungle still work?


Nah, but dat Elise and Karma doe. Real ballers Karma jungle.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 23 2013 16:46 GMT
#4678
On September 24 2013 01:44 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 01:40 Requizen wrote:
I decided that I suck in melee and will only play ranged champs in every position from now on.

Does Twitch jungle still work?


Nah, but dat Elise and Karma doe. Real ballers Karma jungle.

Troll all you like. You can't get me demoted anymore :3

I could probably learn Fiddle jungle too.
It's your boy Guzma!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 23 2013 16:47 GMT
#4679
Elise jungle.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 16:52:50
September 23 2013 16:48 GMT
#4680
On September 24 2013 01:47 Ketara wrote:
Elise jungle.

Already play it, but she occasionally eats a ban or gets picked.

Edit: oh ye and Karth jung totally gonna bust that out on some hoes
It's your boy Guzma!
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