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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On September 24 2013 01:59 chalice wrote: prettty sure 3 ad and 2 armor pen is gonna be better than havoc for your last 3 points in the offensive tree Can not wait for ketara to come back and unleash mathematic havoc on this. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
Other possible appearances: Zyra Jarvan Vi Tough to call what comp/draft is gonna happen in the final game so really most predictions are just gonna be what's FOTM xD | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On September 24 2013 03:56 Requizen wrote: As if Ahri will get through bans in the final game i think she will, there are higher priority bans still imo | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 24 2013 03:50 chalice wrote: if you're going to discount mineski games you should probably also discount all the ozone games where dade goes ez mid like every single time and loses. My original response regarding what team composition would win the entire tourney. Given how Mineski basically had 0 chance of winning the tourney, I don't think it's unreasonable to discount them. Discounting Ozone also wouldn't be unwarranted given that they're knocked out. That being said, I'm pretty sure Ozone went at least 1-1 with Dade's Ez mid. Other teams also went solo mid Ez with reasonable success. | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
On September 24 2013 04:01 JonGalt wrote: Renekton, Vi, TF, Varus, Zyra Really curious as to your reasoning behind this; TF is in a pretty bad state I feel like, and Varus can't use Triforce well at all and as such is currently outclassed imo by champs that can. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
But all the champs everyone is picking I don't have (save Elise, I will get her soon enough). | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
On September 24 2013 04:21 Ryuu314 wrote: My original response regarding what team composition would win the entire tourney. Given how Mineski basically had 0 chance of winning the tourney, I don't think it's unreasonable to discount them. Discounting Ozone also wouldn't be unwarranted given that they're knocked out. That being said, I'm pretty sure Ozone went at least 1-1 with Dade's Ez mid. Other teams also went solo mid Ez with reasonable success. yeah it was just a joke about dade's mineski level play | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On September 24 2013 04:21 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: Really curious as to your reasoning behind this; TF is in a pretty bad state I feel like, and Varus can't use Triforce well at all and as such is currently outclassed imo by champs that can. TF is still TF. He still has gold card and ult. Other than that, purely instinct. Sorry I have no insight. I also admit that I will probably be super wrong. Though you can't expect much seeing as I can't even watch the games hahaha. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 24 2013 04:32 JonGalt wrote: TF is still TF. He still has gold card and ult. Other than that, purely instinct. Sorry I have no insight. I also admit that I will probably be super wrong. Though you can't expect much seeing as I can't even watch the games hahaha. It's actually really hard to ult goldcard now. You can't really press the vision half of ult with your gold card already locked in, or it will fade by the time you port. You have to have the card rotating, ult, lock card, teleport, and you still have a really small window to land your gold card after teleing in. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 24 2013 05:32 Dark_Chill wrote: Wait, how is Varus outclassed? He still has a really good teamfight ult, decent burst, good laning... I'm just not seeing how he falls behind others. Varus is good, but I think his weakness is being boring. When he was released I called him "milktoast" and that is what he is. Plus his "ideal" builds are not TF or Bork or IE first. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 24 2013 05:47 Alaric wrote: E first Varus rushes BotRK and has very good dueling, chasing and self-peeling, teams switched between Q first -> BT and E first -> BotRK depending on the comp and gameplan. What? No they dont @ q first build. They go BT LW IE (maybe mix in a zeal there) BORK is trash when you have 300+ AD. Trash. You want arPen and Crit at that point, especially with Varus's kit - when you go Q>E>W, you have a ton of physical damage with excellent AD ratios, so your priority is AD/ArPen > Crit > AS. You'll get some AS off your passive pretty much any time you fire a Q or E because it WILL kill a minion somewhere in its path. Your assist/kill-resets will give you more AS for cleanup power later in a fight. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On September 24 2013 03:51 JonGalt wrote: Can not wait for ketara to come back and unleash mathematic havoc on this. 3 AD and 2 armor pen would probably be better on a lot of ADs. But not on Corki. I don't think I need to do math for that. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 24 2013 06:17 Ketara wrote: 3 AD and 2 armor pen would probably be better on a lot of ADs. But not on Corki. I don't think I need to do math for that. Havoc is good when you h ave abilities with good base damage and mediocre or bad ratios - Corki fits that better than almost anyone. You're right, you don't even need to do the math. It's not even a close contest between havoc and 3AD/2 Arpen | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On September 24 2013 06:15 sylverfyre wrote: What? No they dont @ q first build. They go BT LW IE (maybe mix in a zeal there) BORK is trash when you have 300+ AD. Trash. You want arPen and Crit at that point, especially with Varus's kit - when you go Q>E>W, you have a ton of physical damage with excellent AD ratios, so your priority is AD/ArPen > Crit > AS. You'll get some AS off your passive pretty much any time you fire a Q or E because it WILL kill a minion somewhere in its path. Your assist/kill-resets will give you more AS for cleanup power later in a fight. Yeah, so I mentioned that they go BotRK first when they skill R>E>Q>W... | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 24 2013 05:39 cLutZ wrote: Varus is good, but I think his weakness is being boring. When he was released I called him "milktoast" and that is what he is. Plus his "ideal" builds are not TF or Bork or IE first. Actually, I think it's more due to his lack of mobility (Corki, Ez) along with his inability to duel the popular assassins (Corki, Vayne). Ahri, Zed, Fizz can all very easily kill him in teamfights. Varus also doesn't push particularly hard (Corki, Caitlyn) nor does he really "hyper-carry" (Vayne, Kog, Twitch). On top of that, if you want a utility AD carry, you'd probably rather just pick Ashe. He was really popular before all the currently popular assassins became must pick/bans cause his mobility wasn't that big an issue. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 24 2013 06:32 Alaric wrote: Yeah, so I mentioned that they go BotRK first when they skill R>E>Q>W... Note how i specified that I was only talking about the Q first build. A late BORK when you have 300 AD and a BT already is silly. (E first also got nerfed pretty hard but Q first was buffed because they transferred quite a bit of damage from E to Q.) | ||
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