EPTOn September 21 2013 03:47 Slusher wrote:
lol.
lol.
Joe with the smirk.
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
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AsnSensation
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On September 21 2013 02:06 TheYango wrote: Q plants are ranged and so are easier to trade with in lane. Also, in either case you should be maxing both nukes, not leaving Q for last. Base damage on a support is still good even if you're not scaling it through items. I'd say her damage comes more from the plants anyway, and this scales with levels, not maxing Q, so... Obviously there's more burst with Q before W, but W first gives moe CDR so more plants too, which helps with zoning, sieging, etc. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On September 21 2013 04:13 Alaric wrote: I guess Graves has ways to outplay Corki with his dash, and Corki will lose to point-blank buckshot-to-the-face if he tries to turn on Gatling Gun? Also if Graves can 100-0 Corki in a manfight I guess it doesn't matter how much sustained damage Corki does, but in that case Varus would be a candidate too so... I dunno. I'd say her damage comes more from the plants anyway, and this scales with levels, not maxing Q, so... Obviously there's more burst with Q before W, but W first gives moe CDR so more plants too, which helps with zoning, sieging, etc. you still only have your limited manapool so more cdr seeds doesn't mean more plants automatically if you can't cast your spells. From my experience lvl 1 is good enough to always have at least 1 seed when you need it <but most of the time i have 2 anyway, 1 slowplant and 1 ranged plant. So I take the additional base dmg I get from skilling Q and E. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 21 2013 02:33 Slusher wrote: BT burst on Graves is actually higher than Triforce burst mabye? I am curious why he thinks it's such a good match up, the other night when he brought it up he said it was good for Graves then corrected himself to say it was a counter, so he seems to think it's a great pick for some reason. I think it's cuz he can do everything Corki is suppose to be good at, in a microcosm, except slightly better. He can burst as hard as Corki at level 6, he can shove waves hard, and can tank quite a bit with his passive. But, the TF on Corki is so fucking silly, I don't see it being necessarily being true. Varus might hold true, but getting 3 auto attacks before proccing blight might be a bit harder than, HURRR DURR PRESS Q, W, R on graves. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 21 2013 04:55 Itsmedudeman wrote: Graves won't lose trades and there's really not much corki can do to actually "beat" graves in lane but a good corki can go even until triforce hits. Graves has short range and has to overextend to harass sometimes. His midgame also isn't as good if he isn't ahead and doesn't offer nearly as much as a corki with triforce. But that's pretty good, considering how the match ups against corki are. At least Graves can farm 1v1 after laning phase is over, which is a lot better than a lot of ADC's in this match up. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On September 21 2013 04:55 Itsmedudeman wrote: Graves won't lose trades and there's really not much corki can do to actually "beat" graves in lane but a good corki can go even until triforce hits. Graves has short range and has to overextend to harass sometimes. His midgame also isn't as good if he isn't ahead and doesn't offer nearly as much as a corki with triforce. He's also kinda meh in 2v1s because of his short range and he's not great for pushing towers. Nonsense, Graves is great for pushing towers in a 2v1 situation. Lots of waveclear/push, and AS buff through E. Now, straight pushing turrets in a 5v5 situation is another question entirely. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Cuddle
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On September 21 2013 05:13 Cuddle wrote: I actually tried sjokzwhipsherhairbackandforth.com. I was disappoint. Suddenly TL LoL has a malware epidemic. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On September 21 2013 04:00 Seuss wrote: You can jungle Alistar right now. It's viable. You can do it well enough, but there are simply much better picks than him for jungling. j4. zac, and vi are all 100 times better than him at virtually everything a jungler should be doing, with one of the exceptions being tanky, because lawl cow ult. His clear speed is pretty ass too. He has the Maokai effect where you will kill the baby wraiths with a pulverize+moo combo, but then you have to sit there punching the big wraith for half an hour. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 21 2013 05:40 Cloud9157 wrote: You can do it well enough, but there are simply much better picks than him for jungling. j4. zac, and vi are all 100 times better than him at virtually everything a jungler should be doing, with one of the exceptions being tanky, because lawl cow ult. His clear speed is pretty ass too. He has the Maokai effect where you will kill the baby wraiths with a pulverize+moo combo, but then you have to sit there punching the big wraith for half an hour. None of those champs can punt an enemy across the river and into an ambush. Knockbacks > Knockups, as long as you don't suck at them. | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
On September 21 2013 05:13 Cuddle wrote: I actually tried sjokzwhipsherhairbackandforth.com. I was disappoint. Ashamed to say but yeh. Same. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 21 2013 05:40 Cloud9157 wrote: You can do it well enough, but there are simply much better picks than him for jungling. j4. zac, and vi are all 100 times better than him at virtually everything a jungler should be doing, with one of the exceptions being tanky, because lawl cow ult. His clear speed is pretty ass too. He has the Maokai effect where you will kill the baby wraiths with a pulverize+moo combo, but then you have to sit there punching the big wraith for half an hour. I think your hyperbole is overkill in this case. Alistar is a step below popular junglers at the moment, but it's not a very large step. One patch buffing Alistar or nerfing his competition could easily make him competitive (as opposed to viable). In general people tend overestimate the difference between what's currently first pick/ban material and what isn't. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Possible "easter egg" about upcoming champion? | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On September 21 2013 06:00 NeoIllusions wrote: http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/vi/ Possible "easter egg" about upcoming champion? oh mang this new champ has no respect. what a hooligan. + Show Spoiler + hehehe fat hands | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
I just look at the simplistic scenario of "what would be different if I had alistar over j4?" Sure, Alistar ganks are about on par with his ganks, maybe a bit better if you blow everything to try and get the kill. Plus if you can somehow get a flash>pulverize>headbutt on a carry or a high valued target, then Alistar is amazing, but I'm simply more afraid of a j4 engaging on me, because he can kill me almost by himself while building full tank, something cow really cannot do. Same goes for Vi really, somewhat for Zac too. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 20 2013 19:44 AsnSensation wrote: no comment lol... Sjokz is extremely hot in that video though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpA0vlXGMEU&feature=youtu.be Now what we need to do is get Sjokz and IRL Riven in a room with loud music. For science. On September 21 2013 00:30 Slusher wrote: I thought we were all esports fans here? yes it means fighting game community. rundown of the story is best told here, https://twitter.com/_ETR but again this is obviously a specific side of the story. Everything that I've heard about FGC(which is only recently and all third party) is that they hate being associated with esports. On September 21 2013 00:32 Dandel Ion wrote: I bet they just didn't know what a srs bsns LoL is now. srs This is our town, scrub. Yeah, beat it. Riot, 2 man yordle tank jungler that is lorewise a rival of Corki, maybe have them blame Corki for their Pappy kicking it. "Urgot" On September 21 2013 02:41 Flakes wrote: I usually think of "sustained burst" as trading power since it's basically how much you deal per damage rotation. Also inc TRIFORCE RIVEN?? (she is already the ace of trades) Riven loses a lot because of lack of AD for her shield. Triforce's buildup has a lot of useless stats for her(mana, AP) and other unfavorable stats(AS, Crit) She also has low base AD, making Sheen charges meh on her. | ||
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