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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
September 17 2013 20:45 GMT
#3581
On September 18 2013 04:48 nafta wrote:
I wish riot would ban the fucking broken skins like they do in lcs.Headhunter nidalee/steel legion lux/iblitz all have these terrible skill animations that either are bigger than they look or they are fucking invisible(dark nida spears who came up with that idea)...

shouldn't you theoretically be able to modify your client so that OP skins don't show up? Similar to how people install custom skins.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 20:58:27
September 17 2013 20:57 GMT
#3582
I am pretty sure you can modify the steel legion lux to show the original lux skin, not sure how though

I also agree that steel legion lux is the most broken skin, that snare seems to hit from like half a screen away
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 21:09:39
September 17 2013 21:09 GMT
#3583
This belongs in Off-Topic, but....

On September 18 2013 05:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
In others news, holy shit Blizz announced the removal of the D3 AH in March.
Years late, but it's a step in the right direction I suppose?

If they go through with it, and the expansion isn't utterly terrible (and/or doesn't require DRM, especially since we no longer need to rely on a damn AH; give me fking offline plox because East Coast lag), then I may actually buy another Blizz game...expansion.

My experience with the D3 launch completely disillusioned me to them being sell-outs.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 17 2013 21:15 GMT
#3584
I might look into it but isn't it too much work to change how skins appear?I'd imagine if it isn't you could make the game so much easier by changing how some stuff looks.Wouldn't be surprised if random people do it in soloq.

Dunno how can a person think about buying a diablo 3 expansion after playing the game lol.It was pretty terrible.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 17 2013 21:28 GMT
#3585
On September 18 2013 06:15 nafta wrote:
I might look into it but isn't it too much work to change how skins appear?I'd imagine if it isn't you could make the game so much easier by changing how some stuff looks.Wouldn't be surprised if random people do it in soloq.

Dunno how can a person think about buying a diablo 3 expansion after playing the game lol.It was pretty terrible.


It's actually really easy to change a skin if you wanted to. Takes a while to learn how to, but after that, you can swap them out in seconds if you really wanted to.

Not really sold on D3 expansion. I'll probably still buy it, but my days of being a relatively well geared monk are over after I sold pretty much everything I had when I quit.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
September 17 2013 21:46 GMT
#3586
I know there was a custom elise skin to turn her spider form and spiderlings into bears or something, which was meant for people with arachnophobia, so it's definitely doable
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
September 17 2013 21:52 GMT
#3587
About Riot's comunity page. I think it's a good thing, anything that makes LoL less reddit centric is good IMO
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
September 17 2013 21:57 GMT
#3588
On September 18 2013 05:29 Ketara wrote:
So, continuing the topic of Ketara hates the league system and it is stupid and makes no sense at all whatsoever,

I got to gold 1 last week and was scurred to play because of clamping and how evil it is, but I didn't get clamped at all. Went 5 and 2 today and that got me from 20ish points to 100. Makes no sense to me at all since everybody else is still getting like +/-4 in division 1 games.

I really really hope they have some improvements in mind for season 4.

Also, hooray for me I got to plat promo series. I might be able to post on TL soon!

Clamping is MMR based. You get clamped unless your MMR is like Plat 4 when you're in Gold 1 since they try to make sure going up a tier isn't a mistake.

I'm in Silver 1 getting +30-40 for a win because my MMR is high Gold, I'm just too scared to play Ranked most of the time cuz my last few games have been awful...
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
September 17 2013 21:59 GMT
#3589
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25731-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-9-17-2013
Lucian regen stats get kicked up a notch.
Phage/Trinity AD returned by kicked up 100 gold.
Change to Olaf's W that is awkwardly worded to me.
Bevan
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada90 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 22:02:21
September 17 2013 22:01 GMT
#3590
On September 18 2013 06:59 Gahlo wrote:
Change to Olaf's W that is awkwardly worded to me.


Just saying that it updates the healing increase while it's active instead of being a set value from when you hit the key until it drops.

Does Championship Thresh look like an indecipherable mess to anyone besides me? Maybe it's just that specific screenshot.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 17 2013 22:08 GMT
#3591
Olaf still feels sad. Its like he is missing base stats now.
Freeeeeeedom
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 17 2013 22:16 GMT
#3592
On September 18 2013 06:46 thenexusp wrote:
I know there was a custom elise skin to turn her spider form and spiderlings into bears or something, which was meant for people with arachnophobia, so it's definitely doable

DO YOU REALLY THINK TINY BEARS JUMPING OUT OF THE TREES IS ANY LESS SCARY JESUS CHRIST
It's your boy Guzma!
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 17 2013 22:17 GMT
#3593
On September 18 2013 07:08 cLutZ wrote:
Olaf still feels sad. Its like he is missing base stats now.


I didn't follow all the changes, but pretty much every single one I saw was a nerf to one stat or another. At this rate I don't know how he'll go live in a useful state.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 17 2013 22:18 GMT
#3594
On September 18 2013 07:16 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 06:46 thenexusp wrote:
I know there was a custom elise skin to turn her spider form and spiderlings into bears or something, which was meant for people with arachnophobia, so it's definitely doable

DO YOU REALLY THINK TINY BEARS JUMPING OUT OF THE TREES IS ANY LESS SCARY JESUS CHRIST


arachnophobia has to do with the number of legs and motion I think. Unless you happen to have bearphobia, in which case it could quite possibly be worse than spiders.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 17 2013 22:20 GMT
#3595
On September 18 2013 07:17 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 07:08 cLutZ wrote:
Olaf still feels sad. Its like he is missing base stats now.


I didn't follow all the changes, but pretty much every single one I saw was a nerf to one stat or another. At this rate I don't know how he'll go live in a useful state.


actually being able to gain distance on somebody with chained axes alone is a pretty nice buff. Is it enough? I'm not sure.
Carrilord has arrived.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 17 2013 22:53 GMT
#3596
On September 18 2013 07:20 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 07:17 Amui wrote:
On September 18 2013 07:08 cLutZ wrote:
Olaf still feels sad. Its like he is missing base stats now.


I didn't follow all the changes, but pretty much every single one I saw was a nerf to one stat or another. At this rate I don't know how he'll go live in a useful state.


actually being able to gain distance on somebody with chained axes alone is a pretty nice buff. Is it enough? I'm not sure.


The problem I have been experiencing is that everything that made him "OP" (which he only was for Pro players, not even in Diamond did he have a positive win rate) is nonexistent anymore. There was his strong 2v1 laning, especially with a donated blue. Well now blue donations are almost non-existent, and teams are so good at the early 3v1 dive your laning power is almost irrelevant, its about how well you and your jungler can defend (or how smart you are at knowing when to run away).

Then there is the Warmogs and Sunfire Nerfs. That is basically the opposite of what just happened to Corki. The new Olaf can barely dive, and if he dives its not like he gets off much damage. So it seems like he is being pushed towards splitpushing/laning. But his laning is bad now (and honestly his 1v1 was never that awesome), and his pre-6 is totally unsafe. I mean, you can outduel a PBE Olaf with Shen right now from earlygame on, even if you both have Sunfire+Visage its close, but why is that even worthwhile considering how much more useful Shen is while splitpushing?
Freeeeeeedom
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 17 2013 23:00 GMT
#3597
Olaf has always been about crushing in teamfights. The measure of how powerful his rework will be for solo queue will be how well he can realistically do that. If it's not there, he won't work.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 17 2013 23:03 GMT
#3598
On September 18 2013 08:00 UniversalSnip wrote:
Olaf has always been about crushing in teamfights. The measure of how powerful his rework will be for solo queue will be how well he can realistically do that. If it's not there, he won't work.


But Trinity Force also speeds ADC up... so...
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
September 17 2013 23:23 GMT
#3599
On September 18 2013 07:01 Bevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 06:59 Gahlo wrote:
Change to Olaf's W that is awkwardly worded to me.


Just saying that it updates the healing increase while it's active instead of being a set value from when you hit the key until it drops.

Does Championship Thresh look like an indecipherable mess to anyone besides me? Maybe it's just that specific screenshot.

That's what I thought, but it also could have sounded like it was made a flat passive.
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
September 17 2013 23:47 GMT
#3600
On September 17 2013 07:19 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 06:40 cLutZ wrote:
On September 17 2013 03:42 Seuss wrote:
On September 17 2013 02:55 Don_Julio wrote:
The best part about Season 3 has been the diversified champion pool for adcs. Almost every champion that fits the role has been played in the LCS at one point.
The overbuff of Triforce completely ruined that aspect just at the right moment for Worlds. Sad.


You're correct that the Trinity Force buff hasn't helped anything, but "At one point" is a tricky phrase. We saw Draven played in the LCS "at one point", but the chances of him appearing at Worlds were and are practically nil. The same can be said for many other champions who were popular picks in the LCS "at one point".

What matters is the diversity that exists now, and generally speaking I don't think it's particularly great. Here are all the picks for each role so far:

  • Top: Kennen, Malphite, Nasus, Renekton, Rumble, Shen, Singed, Yorick, Zac
  • Jungle: Aatrox, Elise, Evelynn, Jarvan, Lee Sin, Nocturne, Vi
  • Mid: Ahri, Diana, Gragas, Fizz, Lissandra, Orianna, Swain, Ryze, Zed
  • ADC: Caitlyn, Corki, Ezreal, Kog'maw, Vayne
  • Support: Fiddlesticks, Leona, Nami, Thresh, Sona, Zyra

I've bolded those that surprised me. Out of a pool of 115 champions we've seen a total of 36, with 5 big surprises. Granted, that's only day 1, but I doubt that number is going to dramatically expand going forward. By the time Worlds is over I expect we'll see another 19 champions at most, leaving us at less than half of the available pool (which excludes Lucian).

It's not a complete diversity disaster, but it could be better.



Why are you surprised by Singed? Korea has been picking him into Shen for quite some time. Ryze is a surprise, mostly because he is bad, and was picked as an Ahri "counter", which he doesn't do anymore because of the range nerf.

Edit: Also I feel like more people should pick Kog into Vayne, its a pretty nice play if you can swing it.


I don't follow the Korean scene as much as I should, so anything people haven't been raving about (e.g. Shyvana, Mundo) I'm not necessarily going to know about.

Which is part of why I went ahead and made a list. When you throw down it makes it easier for people to correct you. We've seen a few good suggestions for what I may have missed, but I'm not convinced that we'll see as many champions as CSheep anticipates.

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 07:03 thenexusp wrote:
On September 17 2013 06:48 Djin)ftw( wrote:
On September 17 2013 05:29 thenexusp wrote:
On September 17 2013 05:14 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Has anyone read about the blue side xp feature? link
A hotfix is being applied right now. What strikes me as odd is the following:

"We understand that this problem is a potentially significant issue. When we attempted a solution on Wednesday, additional complications arose. Currently we have a confirmed fix for the bug, but given that server stability is of high importance to us, deploying it over the weekend just isn’t viable. We will be getting this out as soon as possible on Monday. "

I mean, my programming skills are low, maybe even more so than my LoL skillZ. But shouldn't that just be something like

creep.type.xp = x - 2;

And that's it? Like, sometimes I really really REALLY want to see the source code. Holy moly

It's almost certainly not a case of just a couple of numbers being wrong, as that would be fixed really easily. The programmer at Riot was probably staring at the data and seeing something like

BLUE_MINION_BASE_XP = 35
PURPLE_MINION_BASE_XP = 35

and wondering why the blue minions were giving 37 XP instead. He could just change BLUE_MINION_BASE_XP to 33 to "fix" the problem, but that's only going to cause problems down the line when the real bug gets accidentally fixed, and suddenly the blue minions are giving 2 less XP than normal.

Going through the whole code and finding the root of the problem takes considerably more time. Also, Riot programmers aren't stupid, and the root bug was probably introduced while trying to fix some other bug. So the root bug gets fixed, and the original bug breaks again, and they have to go back and fix the first bug the right way, and not in a way that causes blue minions to give extra XP.

Back in the alpha days of Riot, if they came across a weird bug like this a couple days before release, they probably would have just set the blue minion XP to 2 lower to quickly fix the problem since releasing quickly is more important than getting the code right. Now they're paying for all these quick fixes with obscure bugs that come up and take a lot longer to fix than if the same bugs came up on a "clean" code base.


And this is EXACTLY what I think, too. One of the first things I learned about programming is that if you encounter a bug and do not fix it properly, in the end you will pay for it because the code will get messier and it will take more and more time to understand what is going on.
So with all due respect, I'd say the programmers are quite incompetent.

I mean, I can absolutely understand that there are deadlines, that the servers are supposed to be up and running 24/7, that all the kids out there get super angry super fast if an unwanted feature in your software is being discovered.. and thats all fine, I'd probably do the same thing. That being said, I would have expected other people do to better than me.

Seriously, if one or more creeps for some unknown reason grant +2EXP compared to purple side minions, that should be one of the easiest fixes imaginable. So if it takes like 2 or 3 days to get this straight, holy moly.

bushes are broken

"The biggest thing you didn't cover is that vision is not a 'point to point' system; vision is based on character size. This is so a giant cho doesn't suddenly appear half way around a corner, and also so cho can 'see around' that corner a little bit. Unfortunately the algorithm doing that check isn't very good (it's what leads to the 'I can see them, they can't see me' bug) so I'm rewriting it. Otherwise you're pretty on target."

Ah well. I guess Dota2 has a lot of bugs too.

That's the thing, though. Just subtracting 2 from the blue minions probably isn't the right fix, and it was fixes like that which was what got Riot's codebase into this situation in the first place.

Regarding deadlines, Yango (I think) has written posts about the fortuitous timing of LoL's release - back when online gaming was just emerging, F2P models hadn't really been developed, and DotA2 was still a little ways off from being released. If LoL was released 6 months or a year later it is very possible that it would not enjoy nearly as much success as it does today. Hitting those deadlines generally means compromising on code quality. Now that LoL is a more mature game it makes sense to spend the time to clean up the mess that was made when they were trying to get a product out the door as soon as possible.

In school they teach you to make sure your code stays clean, etc. etc.. Real life is a different bitch. You can have the best code in the world and that doesn't matter if DotA2 or HoN beats you to the punch.

There is a concept in the tech world known as "technical debt" - you can take on technical debt by hacking together quick fixes and messy code, which will in the short term speed up the development process but in the long term will cause strange bugs and slow down the development process. You want to avoid technical debt if possible, but just like how a new business will take out loans to jump start their business, sometimes (nearly always) a startup tech company will take on technical debt to release their product (and start making money) faster.


I'm pretty sure I've made the "LoL came out at just the right time" point before, but it's possibly something Yango and I share.

I'm looking for the post now, but it's hard to find the right keywords.


Lol for some reason I have always assumed you are montechristo and I was confused when you said that. I guess Montes guide to ARAMs threw me off lol
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