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On August 23 2013 00:56 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 00:36 -Zoda- wrote:
I can agree about the time issue to adapt though. Koreans haven't played Aatrox at all, barely played Lissandra and it took a good month before seeing the first Aatrox in LCS. Very likely we don't see any Lucian at worlds.
The adaptation on items seems a bit faster though, as long as it doesn't make a champion suddenly OP. Aatrox is weird because EU is the only region (that I know of) that really likes him. Also I'm not sold that he's that worthy of a pick, he hasn't really impressed me in any EU LCS games.
nobody really palys him in EU either its just wickd and diamondprox i think
i should have saved the post of whoever quoted my post about aatrox being meh and him saying "quoting for when aatrox becomes fp/first ban in 2 weeks"
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On August 23 2013 01:08 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 01:06 ArchAngelSC wrote:On August 23 2013 00:48 AwayFromLife wrote:
What's the over/under on Yi's nerfs? Damage hit seems harsh, but the W and E changes make me think it's overall evened out. Since E's AD boost is a flat 10% per level and W's heal got buffed, going QWE (or even WQE) in lane isn't as bad now, helping his slightly frustrating laning phase. How did W heal get buffed? Most dmg resistance during the cast at later levels.
Excuse, I said heal but meant DR.
And while the notes say later levels, it's actually all levels:
to 50/55/60/65/70% (from 40/45/50/55/60%)
Meaning at all levels it's more useful in combat, better for dissuading tower dives or ganks.
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On August 23 2013 01:06 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 01:05 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 23 2013 01:04 wei2coolman wrote:On August 23 2013 01:03 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 23 2013 01:01 wei2coolman wrote:On August 23 2013 00:43 Jek wrote:
Just stack AS, get a cleaver and watch his (Lucian) ultimate destroy everyone. Been carrying with him all day using all sorts of odd builds. He falls into one of the following three catagories:
a) He's bonkers.
b) I'm a natural with him.
c) Nobody knows how to play against him.
Since b) by default is not the case I'd say it's either a or c.
Hilarious and redic in lane with Nami or Leona.
EDIT: Typos I don't get how AS is really needed? If anything, his kit doesn't need it. Black Cleaver is probably pretty good, for the same reason it's good on MF, but if you're rushing for a cheezy BC because of his ulti, why not play MF? I assume because his ult scales with attack speed. Oh, does it? well in that case I could see it being used. Yeah, more attack speed = more bullets Does it do onhit?
No it does not. Though fun fact: if you wait until the 6 seconds is almost up on his passive, and fire sot hat you start firing before its up and end when its gone, the second hit does full damage.
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Just saying trinity parts are strong him, doesn't make it so. What about trinity makes it better on Lucian than it does on other ADC's, that warrants him getting trinity over something like BT.
How is wits end doing large amounts of damage? 42 plinking damage? why not build wits end on anyone else? As far as I can tell, his ulti doesn't do on hit, so upon using ulti, you're only scaling with the AS of wits end, and expecting the passive to do majority of the magic dmg on his on hit. Why not build something like BT that scales with ALL of that?
Considering lucian's range (not just his AA, talking about his ability range as well), his ability to kite, I don't think defensive stats are really as necessary as you think, at least not to the extent of sacrificing all late game power for strong midgame.
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Lucian ult seems really easy to avoid for any champ with a stun or dash. Anyone actually tried it?
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On August 23 2013 01:16 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 01:06 wei2coolman wrote:On August 23 2013 01:05 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 23 2013 01:04 wei2coolman wrote:On August 23 2013 01:03 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 23 2013 01:01 wei2coolman wrote:On August 23 2013 00:43 Jek wrote:
Just stack AS, get a cleaver and watch his (Lucian) ultimate destroy everyone. Been carrying with him all day using all sorts of odd builds. He falls into one of the following three catagories:
a) He's bonkers.
b) I'm a natural with him.
c) Nobody knows how to play against him.
Since b) by default is not the case I'd say it's either a or c.
Hilarious and redic in lane with Nami or Leona.
EDIT: Typos I don't get how AS is really needed? If anything, his kit doesn't need it. Black Cleaver is probably pretty good, for the same reason it's good on MF, but if you're rushing for a cheezy BC because of his ulti, why not play MF? I assume because his ult scales with attack speed. Oh, does it? well in that case I could see it being used. Yeah, more attack speed = more bullets Does it do onhit? No it does not. Though fun fact: if you wait until the 6 seconds is almost up on his passive, and fire sot hat you start firing before its up and end when its gone, the second hit does full damage.
Other fun fact, temporary speed boots affect the number of bullets (Blood Boil, Ghost Blade) but Sword of the Divine active doesn't to avoid abuse (according to the wiki)
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On August 22 2013 19:55 Amui wrote:
By my count there are 46 competitively viable champions, or like 40% of the available pool. Compared to Dota2, where something like 80?% of the pool was used just in TI3, it is pretty bad.
I think a lot of it has to do with item homogenization. If you can add 3-4 champions to the competitive pool by adding an item, then I think it'd be worth it to add. Obviously too late for S3, but for S4 it'd be great. More utility items, actives etc.
Right now, almost every champion in a role builds the same way, so there's pretty much a couple optimal champs taken because they can build that way and still be useful.
The combined pool for summer splits of both LCS was 90 champions.
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On August 23 2013 01:19 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 01:16 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 23 2013 01:06 wei2coolman wrote:On August 23 2013 01:05 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 23 2013 01:04 wei2coolman wrote:On August 23 2013 01:03 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 23 2013 01:01 wei2coolman wrote:On August 23 2013 00:43 Jek wrote:
Just stack AS, get a cleaver and watch his (Lucian) ultimate destroy everyone. Been carrying with him all day using all sorts of odd builds. He falls into one of the following three catagories:
a) He's bonkers.
b) I'm a natural with him.
c) Nobody knows how to play against him.
Since b) by default is not the case I'd say it's either a or c.
Hilarious and redic in lane with Nami or Leona.
EDIT: Typos I don't get how AS is really needed? If anything, his kit doesn't need it. Black Cleaver is probably pretty good, for the same reason it's good on MF, but if you're rushing for a cheezy BC because of his ulti, why not play MF? I assume because his ult scales with attack speed. Oh, does it? well in that case I could see it being used. Yeah, more attack speed = more bullets Does it do onhit? No it does not. Though fun fact: if you wait until the 6 seconds is almost up on his passive, and fire sot hat you start firing before its up and end when its gone, the second hit does full damage. Other fun fact, temporary speed boots affect the number of bullets (Blood Boil, Ghost Blade) but Sword of the Divine active doesn't to avoid abuse (according to the wiki)
WAIT, THOUGH. WARWICK SUPPORT. Can give him that AS boost right before he casts!
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On August 23 2013 01:18 Osmoses wrote:
Lucian ult seems really easy to avoid for any champ with a stun or dash. Anyone actually tried it?
Its not very good at anything other than firing wildly into a crowd or chasing after lone survivors.
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On August 23 2013 01:18 Osmoses wrote:
Lucian ult seems really easy to avoid for any champ with a stun or dash. Anyone actually tried it?
Just played Amumu against a Lucian on the other team, Everytime he ulted I would Q him and it would stop it instantly.
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On August 23 2013 01:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Just saying trinity parts are strong him, doesn't make it so. What about trinity makes it better on Lucian than it does on other ADC's, that warrants him getting trinity over something like BT.
How is wits end doing large amounts of damage? 42 plinking damage? why not build wits end on anyone else? As far as I can tell, his ulti doesn't do on hit, so upon using ulti, you're only scaling with the AS of wits end, and expecting the passive to do majority of the magic dmg on his on hit. Why not build something like BT that scales with ALL of that?
Considering lucian's range (not just his AA, talking about his ability range as well), his ability to kite, I don't think defensive stats are really as necessary as you think, at least not to the extent of sacrificing all late game power for strong midgame.
Lucian needs mana, scales well with AP, Attack speed AD movespeed and crit, casts spells in rapid succession and is strongest for burst over short term, Essentially. Trinity force as an item.
Wits end can deal 42 damage each hit over the 6 hits in 2 seconds that lucian can produce.Lucians ulti isn't really a selling point of the champion.
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Some things I've noticed about Phage after playing with it for a game:
You don't get the 20 movespeed and 60 together if you kill something with an auto, just the 60.
You get the 20 for hitting towers.
You get the 60 for killing things with skills, but the 20 is only on autoattacks.
Also, I feel like Lucian would be real ridic with a Triforce, looking over his kit. Thoughts?
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On August 23 2013 01:20 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 01:19 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 23 2013 01:16 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 23 2013 01:06 wei2coolman wrote:On August 23 2013 01:05 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 23 2013 01:04 wei2coolman wrote:On August 23 2013 01:03 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 23 2013 01:01 wei2coolman wrote:On August 23 2013 00:43 Jek wrote:
Just stack AS, get a cleaver and watch his (Lucian) ultimate destroy everyone. Been carrying with him all day using all sorts of odd builds. He falls into one of the following three catagories:
a) He's bonkers.
b) I'm a natural with him.
c) Nobody knows how to play against him.
Since b) by default is not the case I'd say it's either a or c.
Hilarious and redic in lane with Nami or Leona.
EDIT: Typos I don't get how AS is really needed? If anything, his kit doesn't need it. Black Cleaver is probably pretty good, for the same reason it's good on MF, but if you're rushing for a cheezy BC because of his ulti, why not play MF? I assume because his ult scales with attack speed. Oh, does it? well in that case I could see it being used. Yeah, more attack speed = more bullets Does it do onhit? No it does not. Though fun fact: if you wait until the 6 seconds is almost up on his passive, and fire sot hat you start firing before its up and end when its gone, the second hit does full damage. Other fun fact, temporary speed boots affect the number of bullets (Blood Boil, Ghost Blade) but Sword of the Divine active doesn't to avoid abuse (according to the wiki) WAIT, THOUGH. WARWICK SUPPORT. Can give him that AS boost right before he casts!
My only concern is that lucian ult won't be able to reach them because Ww support will have them zoned... Wolf howl is powerful harass.
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On August 23 2013 01:20 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 01:19 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 23 2013 01:16 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 23 2013 01:06 wei2coolman wrote:On August 23 2013 01:05 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 23 2013 01:04 wei2coolman wrote:On August 23 2013 01:03 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 23 2013 01:01 wei2coolman wrote:On August 23 2013 00:43 Jek wrote:
Just stack AS, get a cleaver and watch his (Lucian) ultimate destroy everyone. Been carrying with him all day using all sorts of odd builds. He falls into one of the following three catagories:
a) He's bonkers.
b) I'm a natural with him.
c) Nobody knows how to play against him.
Since b) by default is not the case I'd say it's either a or c.
Hilarious and redic in lane with Nami or Leona.
EDIT: Typos I don't get how AS is really needed? If anything, his kit doesn't need it. Black Cleaver is probably pretty good, for the same reason it's good on MF, but if you're rushing for a cheezy BC because of his ulti, why not play MF? I assume because his ult scales with attack speed. Oh, does it? well in that case I could see it being used. Yeah, more attack speed = more bullets Does it do onhit? No it does not. Though fun fact: if you wait until the 6 seconds is almost up on his passive, and fire sot hat you start firing before its up and end when its gone, the second hit does full damage. Other fun fact, temporary speed boots affect the number of bullets (Blood Boil, Ghost Blade) but Sword of the Divine active doesn't to avoid abuse (according to the wiki) WAIT, THOUGH. WARWICK SUPPORT. Can give him that AS boost right before he casts!
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW THIS WAS VISIONARY
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The attack speed scaling on Lucian's ult makes it more or less equivalent to normal autoattack scaling--scaling multiplicatively off attack speed and damage, but being unable to crit. Essentially, it scales off attack damage at 1/4 ratio (every 1 damage you buy adds only 0.25 damage per shot to Lucian ult), and scales off attack speed at a 2.5x/3x/3.5x ratio (that is, every 1 attack/sec you get of normal attack speed gives you 7.5/9/10.5 more attacks in 3 seconds in Lucian ult).
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On August 23 2013 01:24 Ketara wrote:
Also, I feel like Lucian would be real ridic with a Triforce, looking over his kit. Thoughts?
I feel like Lucian would look real ridic in a Fez. Thoughts?
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On August 23 2013 01:19 onlywonderboy wrote:
Other fun fact, temporary speed boots affect the number of bullets (Blood Boil, Ghost Blade) but Sword of the Divine active doesn't to avoid abuse (according to the wiki)
Yeah.. it says this. but it definitely works with SOTD active.
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Just picked up new champ, in loading screen, rush triforce? or like BT > LW?
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WW Support is already reaching Ohmwrecker Kassadin status lol
On August 23 2013 01:33 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 01:19 onlywonderboy wrote:
Other fun fact, temporary speed boots affect the number of bullets (Blood Boil, Ghost Blade) but Sword of the Divine active doesn't to avoid abuse (according to the wiki) Yeah.. it says this. but it definitely works with SOTD active.
Welp, time to abuse it then.
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