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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On August 31 2013 08:21 Alzadar wrote:
Any Tryndamere players in the house? I really don't get the pro style of all attack speed, no AD, negligible crit (BotRK + Shiv).
Tryndamere has no problems at all pushing waves (spin + 1 auto per creep will basically always clear) and crit chance is godly on him, so I really don't get choosing Shiv over PD. Most of the appeal of BotRK is the slow (which was just nerfed), beyond that it's a 3k gold item with no crit and little AD.
Like maybe for a one item timing those items are good (individually), but surely IE+PD (giving you 90% crit chance) just totally blows that build out of the water once you reach it. Given that most pro Tryndameres seem to focus on AFK farming/splitpushing to 3+ items, I really don't get it.
The build up to IE is rather poor however because you have this period where you're sitting on all this gold trying to bank to thr BF Sword, and then trying to bank more gold to then pick up other items and then finally complete it. In a lane such as top lane where there is a lot of heavy trading, you generally don't have the time to sit around banking gold because unspent gold is no different than not having any gold or items when it comes to an actual fight.
It's a similar reason AD Carries such as Twitch, Trist and Vayne have moved towards a BotRK itemisation path. The item build up is very smooth while continuing to give you damage potential and stay a threat continuously and you don't have that period where you're trying to bank large chunks of gold and actively letting the opponent get an item lead on you in lane. BotRK also gives you duelling power, which is one of the key components of split-pushing. No point split-pushing if you just die to people 1v1 and they just push you right back.
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I really question BotRK+Shiv+Pick (or whatever to even the gold) being better at dueling than IE+PD. BF Sword is obviously a big hump to get over, but if anything that seems less important in pro games where they so rarely lane 1v1.
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On August 31 2013 08:21 Alzadar wrote:
Any Tryndamere players in the house? I really don't get the pro style of all attack speed, no AD, negligible crit (BotRK + Shiv).
Tryndamere has no problems at all pushing waves (spin + 1 auto per creep will basically always clear) and crit chance is godly on him, so I really don't get choosing Shiv over PD. Most of the appeal of BotRK is the slow (which was just nerfed), beyond that it's a 3k gold item with no crit and little AD.
Like maybe for a one item timing those items are good (individually), but surely IE+PD (giving you 90% crit chance) just totally blows that build out of the water once you reach it. Given that most pro Tryndameres seem to focus on AFK farming/splitpushing to 3+ items, I really don't get it.
Ill give you some experience I have had with building trynd and some of the reasons i switched it up.
First off I used to go hydra but I dropped it because not as effective for a lot of reasons regardless I read thsi guide that suggested bork or shiv. Tried it out liked it alot more. I also used to build PD before and i switched to shiv recently.
The reason you get lots of attackspeed Is because it syngerizes great with your passive. The more you hit stuff teh faster your rage builds up giving you more crit percentage and faster full heals. Thats a big part of why attackspeed gets build alot. Secondly Bork first can be Situationally better if the opposing laner is stacking health The active is also huge giving you easy finishing power.
However Bork first isnt always good. I actually prefer getting a Cutlass and sticking with it for the slow and getting Shiv for better split pushing and the great passive. While trynd does have good wave clear with out it. It helps make him even better at it. Also the active is great for that little bit of burst as you will almost always have it up when you go in as moving charge's it as well as your spin. great for finishing people Also (this is usually over looked) The passive lighting on Shiv is MAGIC DMG so if the other person is getting armor (which they will) It lets you hit there health alot harder.
After Cutlass and Shiv Ill spring for IE and da dmgz. Im only a baddie plat so take my advice with a pinch of salt 
Any questions?
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BotRK's active is huge for dueling. It's the reason why you're dead as soon as Vayne gets in range to use it on you. You force the other guy to fight, and you're already super strong thanks to the nuke and passive.
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quick question is smite important on Twisted Treeline?
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I think teams started to learn that the only top laners who can really deal with mid-lategame zac are nasus and vlad.
Vlad for various reasons(poor lane phase, low early waveclear) isn't as popular or versatile as a pick, so you end up with nasus. Nasus happens to have the perfect kit for dealing with zac in lane. High resistance to attrition top laners, building SV first is ideal, and most importantly, outscales zac, which is rare. If you can place him into a 1v1 where he can begin farming up, nasus hits a point where nothing zac does will ever stop nasus from healing back to full with the next Q.
Compared with Shen who basically can't do shit to zac after a certain point unless you build botrk, it's a really big change. But nasus is pretty one dimensional in fights. Hit spirit fire on whoever you want to Q, wither the ADC, and then just Q whoever you can reach for high damage. Unlike Shen or zac, he can't win a fight for you by just initiating out of nowhere.
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On August 31 2013 09:00 Slusher wrote:
quick question is smite important on Twisted Treeline?
If you're jungling you use it to jungle fast and force early fights, but you're also down a combat summoner.
It probably depends on team comp.
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Vamp scepter+boot1 -> Shiv -> zerkers -> Cutlass -> IE -> LW -> BOTRK
best tryndamere build i think
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i tryndaloled a bit getting into gold series and i definitely enjoy the botrk shiv path more
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On August 31 2013 09:33 FinestHour wrote:
i tryndaloled a bit getting into gold series and i definitely enjoy the botrk shiv path more
glad to hear it
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On August 31 2013 09:28 Kenpachi wrote:
Vamp scepter+boot1 -> Shiv -> zerkers -> Cutlass -> IE -> LW -> BOTRK
best tryndamere build i think
cutlass sooner IMO IMO IMO double slow too gud
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On August 31 2013 09:04 Amui wrote:
I think teams started to learn that the only top laners who can really deal with mid-lategame zac are nasus and vlad.
Vlad for various reasons(poor lane phase, low early waveclear) isn't as popular or versatile as a pick, so you end up with nasus. Nasus happens to have the perfect kit for dealing with zac in lane. High resistance to attrition top laners, building SV first is ideal, and most importantly, outscales zac, which is rare. If you can place him into a 1v1 where he can begin farming up, nasus hits a point where nothing zac does will ever stop nasus from healing back to full with the next Q.
Compared with Shen who basically can't do shit to zac after a certain point unless you build botrk, it's a really big change. But nasus is pretty one dimensional in fights. Hit spirit fire on whoever you want to Q, wither the ADC, and then just Q whoever you can reach for high damage. Unlike Shen or zac, he can't win a fight for you by just initiating out of nowhere.
i think janna is the best champ to have vs zac. she can completely negate his ult. we haven't seen alot of jannas lately, probably because sona is so strong against her and ppl tend to pick nami/lulu alot if they need CC and kiting power atm, which could also be the reason for zac being so omni present because none of them is as good vs zacs type of initiation as janna is. ali seems to have too many bad matchups but his kit would also work in theory at least.
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It was fun to learn Jessie Rogers job. i thought she was cosplayer or something like that LOL.
if you dont know what im talking about, go: http://www.twitch.tv/jessierogers
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On August 31 2013 09:39 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:28 Kenpachi wrote:
Vamp scepter+boot1 -> Shiv -> zerkers -> Cutlass -> IE -> LW -> BOTRK
best tryndamere build i think cutlass sooner IMO IMO IMO double slow too gud
shiv = more damage tho but cutlass is only 600 more gold so it's all preference. My diamond friend and Hao build shiv first
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On August 31 2013 08:21 Alzadar wrote:
Any Tryndamere players in the house? I really don't get the pro style of all attack speed, no AD, negligible crit (BotRK + Shiv).
Tryndamere has no problems at all pushing waves (spin + 1 auto per creep will basically always clear) and crit chance is godly on him, so I really don't get choosing Shiv over PD. Most of the appeal of BotRK is the slow (which was just nerfed), beyond that it's a 3k gold item with no crit and little AD.
Like maybe for a one item timing those items are good (individually), but surely IE+PD (giving you 90% crit chance) just totally blows that build out of the water once you reach it. Given that most pro Tryndameres seem to focus on AFK farming/splitpushing to 3+ items, I really don't get it.
Trynd gets a lot of free crit, so Shiv's 1 and 2 item timing is very strong due to the sheer amount of crit-magic damage off of shive proc does.
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On August 31 2013 09:46 Mensol wrote:It was fun to learn Jessie Rogers job. i thought she was cosplayer or something like that LOL. if you dont know what im talking about, go: http://www..twitch.tv/jessierogers
It's nice to know that every female porn star always has a backup career as a video game streamer available
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Never understood why people watch streams like that.You are on the internet anyway can't you just watch porn if that is what you want to do anyway?
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On August 31 2013 10:15 nafta wrote:
Never understood why people watch streams like that.You are on the internet anyway can't you just watch porn if that is what you want to do anyway?
Why not both? Do you only have 1 monitor?
All joking aside, gamers are suckers for girl gamers, and well endowed ones are even better.
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On August 31 2013 10:25 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:15 nafta wrote:
Never understood why people watch streams like that.You are on the internet anyway can't you just watch porn if that is what you want to do anyway? Why not both? Do you only have 1 monitor? All joking aside, gamers are suckers for girl gamers, and well endowed ones are even better.
As someone who always loads the slowest and usually enters game at 40 seconds  .......
I really don't get it at all.It's literally a random porn star that is playing vs bots how is that fun to watch.Even if you have dual monitors just porn+a good streamer even though I don't really understand how you can watch porn for so long.It's not a marathon it's 20 minutes at most.
Anyway just to say something more lol related after playing lucian a few games he seems kinda weak.I really don't understand why riot made his q targeting range so low.Literally only thing holding him back atm I feel.His damage is actually ok.
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Fake lips, fake boobs, bitch personality, doesn't need to be a porn star, just an american girl.
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