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[PSA]: Challenging the status quo...
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
August 22 2013 13:04 GMT
#181
So what are TLiquiders thoughts on Frozen mallet?
I see it as a buff, since you can get base items, and if the game turns in a way where FM won't be as useful anymore (before you complete it), you can make it into Warmogs + LW/Maw instead.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 22 2013 13:06 GMT
#182
On August 22 2013 21:21 LaNague wrote:
this patch is retarded. How can Riot be a game company with so much prestige and have so stupid employees.


There is zero reason to change triforce like this so close to worlds.
They should have just nerfed zac and maybe yi if they really feel like they need to protect their newbies and called it a day.



There is 1 reason to change triforce like this before worlds, and that reason is, it is never purchased. Champions like Irelia, Jax, Poppy hell even Corki and Ezreal have had build paths that didn't include a tri-force for all of Season 3. The changes are in my opinion, healthy for the game because it increases certain champions viability, thus making them a viable pick for worlds.
hi
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 13:11:44
August 22 2013 13:07 GMT
#183
Good now trinity, frozenmallet, randuins, wits, mercs, misc shyvv is viable
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 22 2013 13:21 GMT
#184
Uh, Lucian's theme is weird. I mean, considering the tropes he draws from I guess it's adapted, but still weird.

On August 22 2013 21:44 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 21:08 Alaric wrote:
On August 22 2013 16:56 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I'll also add something contructive, they didn't test Vi out in the jungle, and gave her a passive powerful enough to solo dragon at lvl 4.

Out of curiosity, what's your setup for this? I'm assuming you're talking about "enemy botlane recalled, Vi is level 4, let's 3-man that dragon" since I don't see how she could solo it so early in any way.

Nope. I could solo dragon at level 4. All you needed was red pot, giants belt and machete

Of course you need to actually get a kill to have the gold for giants belt by level 4 otherwise you'd have to farm til level 5 and then do it.

Taking W at level 4 and 5 I assume then?
Not sure if it's worth it though, considering you invest in a red pot. Well, might as well invade/gank as much as possible after that (or power farm for level 6 and ult gank bot using the load of HP to dive) and I guess it can be a way to take early drake killers like Nasus or Nunu by surprise.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
August 22 2013 13:27 GMT
#185
Zeke + Triforce Jax sounds niiiiiiiiiiiice.
The legend of Darien lives on
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
August 22 2013 13:30 GMT
#186
On August 22 2013 22:21 Alaric wrote:
Uh, Lucian's theme is weird. I mean, considering the tropes he draws from I guess it's adapted, but still weird.


Yeah, I think it's just all Matrix all the time with this guy.

Pretty dope.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 13:30:51
August 22 2013 13:30 GMT
#187
Hmm.. Lucian seems pretty weak.
edit: though fun to play
And all is illuminated.
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
August 22 2013 13:45 GMT
#188
Gg EUW blowing up during my promo series :/
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 13:47:25
August 22 2013 13:46 GMT
#189
Since you're going to get SV for your MR (and thus the MR) I'd argue that cutlass is better for sustain, since once you've got all your tankiness core you can complete BotRK for some more chase potential.

EUW still dead.

Dunno Lucian still says "Blade" to me the most. Then again I heavily dislike The Matrix and what little I've seen of Blade movies and Equilibrium, so...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 13:46:36
August 22 2013 13:46 GMT
#190
On August 22 2013 22:21 Alaric wrote:
Uh, Lucian's theme is weird. I mean, considering the tropes he draws from I guess it's adapted, but still weird.

Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 21:44 ArchAngelSC wrote:
On August 22 2013 21:08 Alaric wrote:
On August 22 2013 16:56 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I'll also add something contructive, they didn't test Vi out in the jungle, and gave her a passive powerful enough to solo dragon at lvl 4.

Out of curiosity, what's your setup for this? I'm assuming you're talking about "enemy botlane recalled, Vi is level 4, let's 3-man that dragon" since I don't see how she could solo it so early in any way.

Nope. I could solo dragon at level 4. All you needed was red pot, giants belt and machete

Of course you need to actually get a kill to have the gold for giants belt by level 4 otherwise you'd have to farm til level 5 and then do it.

Taking W at level 4 and 5 I assume then?
Not sure if it's worth it though, considering you invest in a red pot. Well, might as well invade/gank as much as possible after that (or power farm for level 6 and ult gank bot using the load of HP to dive) and I guess it can be a way to take early drake killers like Nasus or Nunu by surprise.


everyone maxes W anyway on vi right?
right?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 22 2013 13:51 GMT
#191
Q first, W second for me. I even made the maths in the last thread, which showed that Vi's combo deals more damage with Q max than W max at level 9 unless your target has like 3k+ HP (maybe I'll dig the post later, can't remember the threshold precisely). Even when maxing W and triggering it twice rather than once you still deal less damage with W first than Q first.
W first would only be good if you plan on rushing sneaky drakes rather than skirmish (where the lower cd on Q is far superior, both for damage and mobility).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 13:53:16
August 22 2013 13:51 GMT
#192
On August 22 2013 22:21 Alaric wrote:
Uh, Lucian's theme is weird. I mean, considering the tropes he draws from I guess it's adapted, but still weird.

Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 21:44 ArchAngelSC wrote:
On August 22 2013 21:08 Alaric wrote:
On August 22 2013 16:56 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I'll also add something contructive, they didn't test Vi out in the jungle, and gave her a passive powerful enough to solo dragon at lvl 4.

Out of curiosity, what's your setup for this? I'm assuming you're talking about "enemy botlane recalled, Vi is level 4, let's 3-man that dragon" since I don't see how she could solo it so early in any way.

Nope. I could solo dragon at level 4. All you needed was red pot, giants belt and machete

Of course you need to actually get a kill to have the gold for giants belt by level 4 otherwise you'd have to farm til level 5 and then do it.

Taking W at level 4 and 5 I assume then?
Not sure if it's worth it though, considering you invest in a red pot. Well, might as well invade/gank as much as possible after that (or power farm for level 6 and ult gank bot using the load of HP to dive) and I guess it can be a way to take early drake killers like Nasus or Nunu by surprise.

Sorry I didn't mean to say red pot lol. I meant a health pot

I max Q first on Vi.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 14:02:48
August 22 2013 13:53 GMT
#193
w feels a lot faster for jungling though

i used to get 3 in w and 5 in q, i might try 5 in q, but 5 in w worked pretty well for me for whatever reason.

i noticed in your guide you said W/E is a matter of preference. wat? E is like the most trash scaling skill the in game, maxing it gives you liek 50 extra damage and shorter recharge time but that barely matters
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
August 22 2013 14:04 GMT
#194
On August 22 2013 22:53 Slayer91 wrote:
w feels a lot faster for jungling though

i used to get 3 in w and 5 in q, i might try 5 in q, but 5 in w worked pretty well for me for whatever reason.

i noticed in your guide you said W/E is a matter of preference. wat? E is like the most trash scaling skill the in game, maxing it gives you liek 50 extra damage and shorter recharge time but that barely matters

If you use E for clearing then a shorter recharge time is very useful.

Right now I'm maxing Q, putting a 2nd point in W then maxing E. Might try Maxing W second and see how that goes though.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 14:16:07
August 22 2013 14:05 GMT
#195
you kill all the small creeps in Q+E combo anyway if you buy some ad and the big minion is by far what takes longer to kill
maybe its because i get lots of ad so i never have to worry about small minions past the first clear or two
you should try maxing W just to see how much better it is for E and then you can slap everyone in the thread who said E wasnt anything other than a lategame skill dump

like if you come from base
Q across to wolves and use 2x E, Q across to wraiths and 1x E should easily kill the lessers, and Q across golems hit both and auto+E the small to proc denting blows and then focus the big one. Small lizards have 400 hp all game so they die to Q+E easily after level 3+q anyways so i dont see any reason at all to max E, since even fi you get an extra one in a fight W still massively overshadows it in damage. (dont forget the extra attack speed to counter the auto reset part)
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
August 22 2013 14:11 GMT
#196
Fuuuuudge I can't wait to try the new triforce, and the Riven changes.

You know what? I'm getting triforce on Riven, I'll kill that Teemo.

Unless he gets a triforce. Then I'm screwed.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
August 22 2013 14:20 GMT
#197
Jungle riven viable with the new Q? invading etc would be so awesome.
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
August 22 2013 14:21 GMT
#198
Can't wait to try Lucian, I hope I'll be able to add a second AD Carry to my champ pool ... Cause yeah Vayne does get banned a lot :D
I got five reasons for you to shut up
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 22 2013 14:24 GMT
#199
im def gonna try irelia again
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
August 22 2013 14:28 GMT
#200
On August 22 2013 23:24 FinestHour wrote:
im def gonna try irelia again


And I'm going to try Hecarim.

But for a different reason.

#RainbowPony

+ Show Spoiler +
But yeah that Phage should make my favorite ice-butt even better, and possibly even improve dat jangle Yi!
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
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