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[PSA]: Challenging the status quo...
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
August 22 2013 10:02 GMT
#161
On August 22 2013 18:32 Sponkz wrote:
New UNIQUE Passive - Rage: basic attacks grant 20 movement speed for 2 seconds on hit. Minion, monster, and champion kills grant 60 movement speed for 2 seconds


gg irelia


holy balls i didnt think of that
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
August 22 2013 10:02 GMT
#162
What about triforce vayne, moaar ms is always good on her
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark697 Posts
August 22 2013 10:08 GMT
#163
Vayne gets lasthit -> runs at you with passive+Rage+ult -> tumble with sheenproc into perfect position wallstun... Yeah seems fair

Same goes for Sivir, although without stun.
Go try StarBow on the Arcade. TL thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440661
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 22 2013 10:19 GMT
#164
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Riot Stream

immunity vs gaming gear in the wildcard tourney.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
August 22 2013 10:28 GMT
#165
Any verdict on Lucian so far? Played against him one game but couldnt really get a good read as I was top and the game got screwed fairly early on, but his kit seems pretty damn strong.

On a seperate note, am I the only one wishing for some more champion variety in Pro-play? Pretty much every game I watch has roughly the same teams, it seems the viable champion pool is only ~~30 champions or so. I'm not saying this is easy to fix or anything like that, but I just enjoy seeing non-regular champions so much more ^^
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 22 2013 10:55 GMT
#166
By my count there are 46 competitively viable champions, or like 40% of the available pool. Compared to Dota2, where something like 80?% of the pool was used just in TI3, it is pretty bad.

I think a lot of it has to do with item homogenization. If you can add 3-4 champions to the competitive pool by adding an item, then I think it'd be worth it to add. Obviously too late for S3, but for S4 it'd be great. More utility items, actives etc.

Right now, almost every champion in a role builds the same way, so there's pretty much a couple optimal champs taken because they can build that way and still be useful.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 11:05:27
August 22 2013 10:59 GMT
#167
On August 22 2013 19:55 Amui wrote:
By my count there are 46 competitively viable champions, or like 40% of the available pool. Compared to Dota2, where something like 80?% of the pool was used just in TI3, it is pretty bad.

I think a lot of it has to do with item homogenization. If you can add 3-4 champions to the competitive pool by adding an item, then I think it'd be worth it to add. Obviously too late for S3, but for S4 it'd be great. More utility items, actives etc.

Right now, almost every champion in a role builds the same way, so there's pretty much a couple optimal champs taken because they can build that way and still be useful.


I'd be interesting in seeing your list, just for curiosity's sake.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 22 2013 11:15 GMT
#168
dota had times where you could pick like 20 champs. good ol blink dagger
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
August 22 2013 11:22 GMT
#169
On August 22 2013 17:14 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 16:49 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I do agree that it may be short-noticed if a region only has 1 week to get use to it, but 2 weeks seems more than enough to digest the changes, and honestly I doubt they'd affect a team's performance either way. I mean it's nothing like the introduction of Cowl, or the changes to early turret armor, etc. The champion changes are extremely easy to digest (give it a few days tops), and the itemization change only affects a few champions (Irelia/Jax/Corki).

And this is where you (and Riot) VASTLY underestimate the time it takes for the competitive community to fully analyze, digest, apply, respond to, and develop counterplay to new changes in a patch.

The typical turnaround time on a new champ (or, in some cases a new item--see Locket) even being recognized as strong is ~2 months. Typically unless the champion is absurdly broken, players do not even have enough proficiency at a champion to even make it appear strong until that point. To fully flesh out playstyles, how to draft the hero, and how to counter-pick/counter-play? We're looking at a clock on around 4 months.

Obviously that is the effect of a new champion. But consider the cumulative effect of all the changes in this patch. Is that more or less of a change to the game than a new champion? Considering that the change to Triforce is drastic enough to potentially require players to re-learn and re-assess champions that they quite literally have not played for almost the entirety of Season 3, I'd say that it's at least comparable. We're obviously never going to get 3 months off a balance patch, but to argue that 2 weeks is "good enough" for competitive teams to assess a patch like this is completely moronic.


In Magic pro tours are typically scheduled for soon after a new set is released. This means that the pro scene sets the new metagame rather than uses an old one as well as build hype for the event on what the metagame will look like for the next few months.

I agree that 2 weeks is not enough to fully understand the implications of the patch. Hell pro LoL teams are pretty dumb, most of them probably cant figure things out themselves no matter how long you give them. I do think however that 2 weeks is enough that no-one got screwed and reaches a good balance on execution of existing strategies and discovering new strategies, both of which I like being skills tested at worlds.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 22 2013 11:38 GMT
#170
On inven was a discussion about the Champions used in NA and EU in comparison to Korea. Na had 6x, EU 8x and Korea 4x.

Koreans were like why we dont use as many champions as in EU and NA.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 22 2013 12:08 GMT
#171
On August 22 2013 16:56 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I'll also add something contructive, they didn't test Vi out in the jungle, and gave her a passive powerful enough to solo dragon at lvl 4.

Out of curiosity, what's your setup for this? I'm assuming you're talking about "enemy botlane recalled, Vi is level 4, let's 3-man that dragon" since I don't see how she could solo it so early in any way.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 12:17:34
August 22 2013 12:14 GMT
#172
so except for riven is anyone else getting cheaper this patch ?
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 22 2013 12:21 GMT
#173
this patch is retarded. How can Riot be a game company with so much prestige and have so stupid employees.


There is zero reason to change triforce like this so close to worlds.
They should have just nerfed zac and maybe yi if they really feel like they need to protect their newbies and called it a day.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
August 22 2013 12:32 GMT
#174
Holy shit new Triforce on Jax is beyond retarded lol.
The legend of Darien lives on
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
August 22 2013 12:41 GMT
#175
On August 22 2013 21:21 LaNague wrote:
this patch is retarded. How can Riot be a game company with so much prestige and have so stupid employees.


There is zero reason to change triforce like this so close to worlds.
They should have just nerfed zac and maybe yi if they really feel like they need to protect their newbies and called it a day.

I think there will be another patch in 1 or 2 weeks.. why would they otherwise would call it 3.10a.
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 12:45:16
August 22 2013 12:44 GMT
#176
On August 22 2013 21:08 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 16:56 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I'll also add something contructive, they didn't test Vi out in the jungle, and gave her a passive powerful enough to solo dragon at lvl 4.

Out of curiosity, what's your setup for this? I'm assuming you're talking about "enemy botlane recalled, Vi is level 4, let's 3-man that dragon" since I don't see how she could solo it so early in any way.

Nope. I could solo dragon at level 4. All you needed was red pot, giants belt and machete

Of course you need to actually get a kill to have the gold for giants belt by level 4 otherwise you'd have to farm til level 5 and then do it.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33479 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 12:45:27
August 22 2013 12:45 GMT
#177
Prime is recruiting for a LoL team

http://sc2prime.com/xe/?mid=lol&document_srl=872664&page=1
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
August 22 2013 12:49 GMT
#178
On August 22 2013 16:48 Gahlo wrote:
I had hoped that /r/leagueoflegendsmeta would be a nice little haven of sanity on reddit where I can talk to people about decent league play without "DAE draven?" and "Regi eyebrows MIA." Sadly, it has failed me as I now have people flaming me and calling me retarded because I called frozen mallet bad while somebody is trying his best Yango impression trying to forecast Trifoce/FM combo being OP.

TL pls, talk about something so I don't have to go back there.


Try /r/summoners
@miicah88
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 22 2013 13:02 GMT
#179
On August 22 2013 21:45 Waxangel wrote:
Prime is recruiting for a LoL team

http://sc2prime.com/xe/?mid=lol&document_srl=872664&page=1

Prime still a big name in SC2?
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 22 2013 13:03 GMT
#180
On August 22 2013 22:02 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 21:45 Waxangel wrote:
Prime is recruiting for a LoL team

http://sc2prime.com/xe/?mid=lol&document_srl=872664&page=1

Prime still a big name in SC2?

Maru won something recently.
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