EPTWell maybe saying "by-far" was a bit of a stretch, but I still think she is the best non-traditional support.
Xerath support is also hilarious, in that it works brilliantly or terribly.
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
Well maybe saying "by-far" was a bit of a stretch, but I still think she is the best non-traditional support. Xerath support is also hilarious, in that it works brilliantly or terribly. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 21 2013 19:25 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Really the only question you need to ask is "how does this fit with my team comp" thats true for every role though. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
On August 21 2013 19:42 Sponkz wrote: Or you could just play non-traditional supports in mid, where they belong. Line of the fucking day. Of the mentioned champs I can see Annie, Lissandra and Morgana filling the support role adequately. Annie's seen competitive play recently and maybe Lissandra as well? They both have nice laning phases and good cc to follow it up later. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On August 21 2013 19:42 Sponkz wrote: Or you could just play non-traditional supports in mid, where they belong. The player base will never rest until every champion has been tried in every role! Never I say! | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On August 21 2013 19:42 Sponkz wrote: Or you could just play non-traditional supports in mid, where they belong. You can't max fear as fiddle mid so... No. | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
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XilDarkz
United States563 Posts
On August 21 2013 20:07 TheLink wrote: Fiddle and Annie are going through that same phase Morgana and Elise did not too long ago, they'll fade back in favour of the usual support core soon enough. wait, Morgana isn't a standard support? I thought she was a mediocre mid and a standard support... | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
On August 21 2013 20:03 mr_tolkien wrote: You can't max fear as fiddle mid so... No. calling fiddle both non traditional support and mid when he's closer to a jungler if not a support is double fail | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On August 21 2013 20:09 XilDarkz wrote: wait, Morgana isn't a standard support? I thought she was a mediocre mid and a standard support... She is like Lux. Mainly a mid laner that can support. Also like Lux, you can't pull off the same game changing ults. On a related note, mediocre is a bit harsh. She has got to be the safest laner in the game. With Morgana, you trade kill potential for safe farming, being virtually impossible to gank and good roaming potential. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12038 Posts
On August 21 2013 20:07 TheLink wrote: Fiddle and Annie are going through that same phase Morgana and Elise did not too long ago, they'll fade back in favour of the usual support core soon enough. The reason Elise went away were ~5 nerfs which made her less good as a support. | ||
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XilDarkz
United States563 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On August 21 2013 13:16 Frudgey wrote: Oh.... That's cool.... I guess..... I think my favorite thing about the summer skins is all the different champions that you can see in the backgrounds of their splash arts. Pool Party Orianna would have been so much better than Lee Sin (the weakest one by far), but I looks like they wanted to follow the meta: Renek top Lee jungle Ziggs mid Graves+Leona bot Bleh. On August 21 2013 18:22 Simberto wrote: K, then lets go with Nami. Nami Q is better then Vik W in every single respect. knockup> stun It's a stun too. On August 21 2013 18:59 PrinceXizor wrote: If you want to play a character as support, the main things you need to look at are: What do i gain from playing this character, What is unique about this character, What impact do i have on laning, And finally, what can i do mid-late game with mostly health stacking. Tryndamere, Amumu, Vi, Urgot, Ezreal, Galio, fiddle, lissandra, warwick all pass these four questions pretty damn well. But some of them require unusual play from your partner to be strong, similar to how Leona does. Making it difficult to use them in solo queue in addition to general trolling that you will receive for trying. I'm dumb for wasting time over this, but a champion with no impact on the game without farm is a shit support. Vi ults in and dies. WW ults in or dies, or is a one-trick pony peeler who's only good at dropping a cc (he's only more effective than anyone else against Zac or Irelia). Urgot dies before he gets to ult in since hes lucky if he gets 11 before fights, let alone 16. Ezreal has no damage past the midgame, and even before that he's behind on levels so he only has the base damage from his ult. Tryndamere does no damage without farm so he's entirely ignorable as long as you have armour. In lane the only way he's a threat is if he gets to freely auto the wave to build-up rage then try and go for a crit (forcing you to stay away from him during the first few levels). As for initiating without dying, turns out Blitz, Alistar, Leona, sometimes Nami Sona or Zyra, are all able to do it (Thresh can too but he's more likely to die than them). If you just want an initiator stacking HP pick them instead. | ||
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1ntrigue
Australia948 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 21 2013 21:17 Alaric wrote: I'm dumb for wasting time over this, but a champion with no impact on the game without farm is a shit support. Vi ults in and dies. WW ults in or dies, or is a one-trick pony peeler who's only good at dropping a cc (he's only more effective than anyone else against Zac or Irelia). Urgot dies before he gets to ult in since hes lucky if he gets 11 before fights, let alone 16. Ezreal has no damage past the midgame, and even before that he's behind on levels so he only has the base damage from his ult. Tryndamere does no damage without farm so he's entirely ignorable as long as you have armour. In lane the only way he's a threat is if he gets to freely auto the wave to build-up rage then try and go for a crit (forcing you to stay away from him during the first few levels). As for initiating without dying, turns out Blitz, Alistar, Leona, sometimes Nami Sona or Zyra, are all able to do it (Thresh can too but he's more likely to die than them). If you just want an initiator stacking HP pick them instead. Vi's laning phase is rather dominant as a support, she's able to protect her carry quite well with her ult and ability to shred armor on the people diving her. WW has quite a bit of use as an attack speed steroid as well as being able to ult when anyone gets isolated, he's also strong on poke teams and during ganks due to his ability to see low health enemies. Urgots armor shred as a support is incredible for physical damage focused teams, as well as the strength of his ultimate and shield in the mid game. Ezreal again has lane dominance and an attack speed steroid, but he also works pretty well at keeping lanes pushed out. Tryndamere shuts down a lot of enemy carries in lane by maxing shout. making it difficult to last hit in lane (and incredibly hard to last hit under tower), as well as winning most trades by default with an aggressive laner due to the power of shout and his ability to heal as needed. all of these champs when used as support have a very strong item path while remaining supportive in ruby sightstone + zekes. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12038 Posts
As a support, you expect to spend the whole game with a sightstone, boots2, and maybe 1k of additional items if you are winning. If you are useless with those items, you'd better win that lane hard. Vi without money dies and does nothing useful. WW without money die and does nothing useful. Urgot without money does nothing useful. Ez without money, you guessed it, does nothing useful. Trynd without money does nothing useful. The point of a support is not only to be good in lane, but also to KEEP being good while having 0 items. Anything can be good in lane at lvl 1. I'd highly doubt that you could even bully something like Sona or Nami out of the lane with any of those. The problem you have is that in your mind you are comparing a lane-farmed vi/ww/trynd with a 0-money support. So i'd say you are just theorycrafting random bullshit with no connection to the game. | ||
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