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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 05 2013 03:57 GMT
#2121
IDK it still works on Lee dunno why they would fix it for her and not him (his is a lot stronger imo)

and do mostly share your argument Ketara except that I do prefer Bork even on Zed if there only option to escape your ult is to flash. If they flash it's worth, if they don't they are dead with either item, and Hydra is so much more well rounded for Zed whereas Bork really doesn't do much outside of his ult.
Carrilord has arrived.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 05 2013 04:01 GMT
#2122
On August 05 2013 12:57 Slusher wrote:
IDK it still works on Lee dunno why they would fix it for her and not him (his is a lot stronger imo)

and do mostly share your argument Ketara except that I do prefer Bork even on Zed if there only option to escape your ult is to flash. If they flash it's worth, if they don't they are dead with either item, and Hydra is so much more well rounded for Zed whereas Bork really doesn't do much outside of his ult.

But Hydra doesn't do that much for him outside of a 100-0 engage either.
What does it add to Zed outside of his full engage? wave clear? He's already got 2 waveclear abilities.
I think the bildgewater cutlass just has a nicer build path in solo lane for Zed, so that's the reason BotRK is favored.
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
August 05 2013 04:02 GMT
#2123
On August 05 2013 12:56 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 12:56 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 05 2013 12:37 wei2coolman wrote:
I use "blade" and "bladed" for the active. Bork just sounds silly.

Exactly, it's just fun to say :D

League is serious business.

Good point, I'm not cut out for this shit.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 04:05:08
August 05 2013 04:03 GMT
#2124
it's significantly more lifesteal, which people don't always realise because of the way life steal interacts with the passive, it turns him from a low end team fighter to a high end team fighter, it has a lot of AD, and he has good AD ratios especially when you take into consideration the passive on his W.

and the waveclear isn't as worthless as people like to pretend it is.

also they have virtually the same ingredients so I don't understand the build path argument
Carrilord has arrived.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 04:09:14
August 05 2013 04:06 GMT
#2125
On August 05 2013 13:03 Slusher wrote:
it's significantly more lifesteal, which people don't always realise because of the way life steal interacts with the passive, it turns him from a low end team fighter to a high end team fighter, it has a lot of AD, and he has good AD ratios especially when you take into consideration the passive on his W.

and the waveclear isn't as worthless as people like to pretend it is.

I think there is a case to be made of Hydra, but the way BotRK works with his Ulti just seems like such a strong combo, that the "well roundness" of hydra doesn't make up for the strength of how Zed is currently played.

Build path is pretty significant. Think about it.
Bildgewater you hit a nice timing of a chunk of AD + lifesteal % + nice utility slow for ganks.
With Hydra. you either end up with pickaxe+longsowrd+1 rejuv bead, or vamp sceptre+longsword+rejuv bead, that timing window is so much better with bilgewater.
liftlift > tsm
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 04:10:43
August 05 2013 04:10 GMT
#2126
Riot should introduce an item called Forbidden Ultimate Cataclysm Katana with some kind of devastating active. Then we can say so-and-so fucked the enemy champ when he/she uses it.

My maturity level = college.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 05 2013 04:12 GMT
#2127
That's really the magic of BotRK on melee champions like Zed. Bilgewater Cutlass is what's so bullshit on them. It gives you absolutely everything you could ever possibly want on an early game laning item. Damage, sustain, and added burst.

In actuality Cutlass + Brutalizer or Cutlass + Tiamat outdamages either BotRK or Hydra, anyway.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 04:16:44
August 05 2013 04:14 GMT
#2128
thats just the thing, if they have to flash to get out of your ulti, I don't think it works with his ulti all that much better, unless you think them being dead or being dead is a huge difference.

actually I just tested Lee btw it was fixed, can't get energy back instantly anymore
Carrilord has arrived.
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 04:32:33
August 05 2013 04:31 GMT
#2129
So for Vayne, BotRK + Zephyr better than BotRK + PD? I haven't thought about it before but Zephyr seems better in most situations (and only +50 gold for Zephyr). You may not scale as well once you start building an IE, but that's usually last anyways. Thoughts?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 05 2013 04:35 GMT
#2130
Crit scaling is almost too good to ignore. Maybe if you aiming at a strong 2 item timing I could see it... but still...
liftlift > tsm
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 04:40:57
August 05 2013 04:36 GMT
#2131
Zephyr has a slightly more awkward buildup, but the tenacity could come in pretty handy. CDR is also pretty nice on her.

Ignoring unit collision is incredibly useful on Vayne with PD though.

EDIT: Hmm, Idunno. the thing is with Zephyr you're either building a pickaxe (okay AD) or Stinger, which is pure attackspeed. Vayne likes attackspeed (cuz W is an effective 4% max hp true damage steroid, which like Kogmaw's thing is sadly not as strong as it sounds) , but its pretty useless without the multiplicative scaling of AD and crit. Zeal is a really nice all in one mid-tier item.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 04:38:57
August 05 2013 04:38 GMT
#2132
PD always gives you the option to stop at zeal and grab LW if the game warrants it. IDK I've just seen so many Destiny draven games where it looks like he just does 0 damage because he has 25% crit with 6 items...

not that that isn't anecdotal as hell
Carrilord has arrived.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 05 2013 04:39 GMT
#2133
On August 05 2013 13:31 beefhamburger wrote:
So for Vayne, BotRK + Zephyr better than BotRK + PD? I haven't thought about it before but Zephyr seems better in most situations (and only +50 gold for Zephyr). You may not scale as well once you start building an IE, but that's usually last anyways. Thoughts?


Spitballing, but I think it would be worse once you get an AD item, probably would be LW at that point, but Vayne still relies on crits, and has a huge AD steroid, no matter what W tricks people into thinking.
Freeeeeeedom
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
August 05 2013 04:50 GMT
#2134
Fuck zed. I buy Hydra on Wukong and oh mah gewd its super-op. Having the ability to E-Hydra-Auto and there is no more lane is extremely helpful for pushing. You can splitpush so fast you can get back to your team for a teamfight while doing it lol.

It also helps you get that BC alot quicker and BC + Wu ult is hell.

I mean you could get BC first, but Hydra just offers more as a first item during early / mid game and it gives you the ability to farm shit up veeeeeeeery quickly.

General wukong build - Boots -> Tiamat -> Boots 2 -> Hydra -> Bruta -> Visage -> BC -> Randuins / Sunfire
Useless wet fish.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 05 2013 04:56 GMT
#2135
Shit man I built it on Darius. Q - Auto - W - Active = where the fuck did all that AoE damage come from?

Also Monte can't carry silver games
It's your boy Guzma!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 05 2013 04:57 GMT
#2136
On August 05 2013 13:56 Requizen wrote:
Shit man I built it on Darius. Q - Auto - W - Active = where the fuck did all that AoE damage come from?

Also Monte can't carry silver games

I really like BotRK on Darius tbh. As much as hyper-clear is really cool with Hydra, being able to stick onto someone for 30 seconds is pretty legit.
liftlift > tsm
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
August 05 2013 04:58 GMT
#2137
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2013080512140247054

Someone has to translate this when it gets released please Q_Q
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 05 2013 04:59 GMT
#2138
On August 05 2013 13:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 13:56 Requizen wrote:
Shit man I built it on Darius. Q - Auto - W - Active = where the fuck did all that AoE damage come from?

Also Monte can't carry silver games

I really like BotRK on Darius tbh. As much as hyper-clear is really cool with Hydra, being able to stick onto someone for 30 seconds is pretty legit.

Why would you do that? You don't need the AS, it doesn't really give enough AD for him to care about it, and if you really feel like you need sticking power that bad, just run Ghost or Exhaust or something. You should have no problems sticking once you use W anyway, unless it's like Nid or something.
It's your boy Guzma!
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 05 2013 05:01 GMT
#2139
pretty sure he was just baiting
Carrilord has arrived.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 05:04:49
August 05 2013 05:03 GMT
#2140
Successfully too

While we're on topic.

That fucking wukong man. He's so good! Like shit. Im 7-1 in ranked with him and jesus i feel like i just cant lose. My early game sucks in general but i can hold my own then he just turns into beast mode. Teamfights, splitpushing, 1v1 it doesnt matter, wukong will FUCK. YOU. UP.
Useless wet fish.
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