EPTand do mostly share your argument Ketara except that I do prefer Bork even on Zed if there only option to escape your ult is to flash. If they flash it's worth, if they don't they are dead with either item, and Hydra is so much more well rounded for Zed whereas Bork really doesn't do much outside of his ult.
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
and do mostly share your argument Ketara except that I do prefer Bork even on Zed if there only option to escape your ult is to flash. If they flash it's worth, if they don't they are dead with either item, and Hydra is so much more well rounded for Zed whereas Bork really doesn't do much outside of his ult. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 05 2013 12:57 Slusher wrote: IDK it still works on Lee dunno why they would fix it for her and not him (his is a lot stronger imo) and do mostly share your argument Ketara except that I do prefer Bork even on Zed if there only option to escape your ult is to flash. If they flash it's worth, if they don't they are dead with either item, and Hydra is so much more well rounded for Zed whereas Bork really doesn't do much outside of his ult. But Hydra doesn't do that much for him outside of a 100-0 engage either. What does it add to Zed outside of his full engage? wave clear? He's already got 2 waveclear abilities. I think the bildgewater cutlass just has a nicer build path in solo lane for Zed, so that's the reason BotRK is favored. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
Good point, I'm not cut out for this shit. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
and the waveclear isn't as worthless as people like to pretend it is. also they have virtually the same ingredients so I don't understand the build path argument | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 05 2013 13:03 Slusher wrote: it's significantly more lifesteal, which people don't always realise because of the way life steal interacts with the passive, it turns him from a low end team fighter to a high end team fighter, it has a lot of AD, and he has good AD ratios especially when you take into consideration the passive on his W. and the waveclear isn't as worthless as people like to pretend it is. I think there is a case to be made of Hydra, but the way BotRK works with his Ulti just seems like such a strong combo, that the "well roundness" of hydra doesn't make up for the strength of how Zed is currently played. Build path is pretty significant. Think about it. Bildgewater you hit a nice timing of a chunk of AD + lifesteal % + nice utility slow for ganks. With Hydra. you either end up with pickaxe+longsowrd+1 rejuv bead, or vamp sceptre+longsword+rejuv bead, that timing window is so much better with bilgewater. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
My maturity level = college. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
In actuality Cutlass + Brutalizer or Cutlass + Tiamat outdamages either BotRK or Hydra, anyway. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
actually I just tested Lee btw it was fixed, can't get energy back instantly anymore  | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
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wei2coolman
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Ignoring unit collision is incredibly useful on Vayne with PD though. EDIT: Hmm, Idunno. the thing is with Zephyr you're either building a pickaxe (okay AD) or Stinger, which is pure attackspeed. Vayne likes attackspeed (cuz W is an effective 4% max hp true damage steroid, which like Kogmaw's thing is sadly not as strong as it sounds) , but its pretty useless without the multiplicative scaling of AD and crit. Zeal is a really nice all in one mid-tier item. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
not that that isn't anecdotal as hell | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On August 05 2013 13:31 beefhamburger wrote: So for Vayne, BotRK + Zephyr better than BotRK + PD? I haven't thought about it before but Zephyr seems better in most situations (and only +50 gold for Zephyr). You may not scale as well once you start building an IE, but that's usually last anyways. Thoughts? Spitballing, but I think it would be worse once you get an AD item, probably would be LW at that point, but Vayne still relies on crits, and has a huge AD steroid, no matter what W tricks people into thinking. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
It also helps you get that BC alot quicker and BC + Wu ult is hell. I mean you could get BC first, but Hydra just offers more as a first item during early / mid game and it gives you the ability to farm shit up veeeeeeeery quickly. General wukong build - Boots -> Tiamat -> Boots 2 -> Hydra -> Bruta -> Visage -> BC -> Randuins / Sunfire | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Also Monte can't carry silver games  | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 05 2013 13:56 Requizen wrote: Shit man I built it on Darius. Q - Auto - W - Active = where the fuck did all that AoE damage come from? Also Monte can't carry silver games I really like BotRK on Darius tbh. As much as hyper-clear is really cool with Hydra, being able to stick onto someone for 30 seconds is pretty legit. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
Someone has to translate this when it gets released please Q_Q | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 05 2013 13:57 wei2coolman wrote: I really like BotRK on Darius tbh. As much as hyper-clear is really cool with Hydra, being able to stick onto someone for 30 seconds is pretty legit. Why would you do that? You don't need the AS, it doesn't really give enough AD for him to care about it, and if you really feel like you need sticking power that bad, just run Ghost or Exhaust or something. You should have no problems sticking once you use W anyway, unless it's like Nid or something. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
While we're on topic. That fucking wukong man. He's so good! Like shit. Im 7-1 in ranked with him and jesus i feel like i just cant lose. My early game sucks in general but i can hold my own then he just turns into beast mode. Teamfights, splitpushing, 1v1 it doesnt matter, wukong will FUCK. YOU. UP. | ||
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