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On August 05 2013 13:59 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2013 13:57 wei2coolman wrote:On August 05 2013 13:56 Requizen wrote:Shit man I built it on Darius. Q - Auto - W - Active = where the fuck did all that AoE damage come from? Also Monte can't carry silver games  I really like BotRK on Darius tbh. As much as hyper-clear is really cool with Hydra, being able to stick onto someone for 30 seconds is pretty legit. Why would you do that? You don't need the AS, it doesn't really give enough AD for him to care about it, and if you really feel like you need sticking power that bad, just run Ghost or Exhaust or something. You should have no problems sticking once you use W anyway, unless it's like Nid or something.
Makes sure you always get dat 10 stack. Also I think you underrate AS for Darius. He's got even stronger trading power cuz of quick bleed stacks outside of his Dunk-combo-all in.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Ye, Wukong is total beast. Don't know why nobody except for Myw play him seriously.
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On August 05 2013 14:10 Scip wrote:
Ye, Wukong is total beast. Don't know why nobody except for Myw play him seriously.
my only guess is because of how popular Liss is in EU?
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Wu has like the second best winrate in yolo queue iirc
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He's my highest at 87.5% if you remove the 1 caitlyn game i got hard carried on (i went 2/10 lmfao i cant play adc t.t)
He's just so versatile in what he can do and his ult is ridonkulous. So much damage, good gapcloser / escape, just makes me giggity all over the place when i play him, so much fun.
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On August 05 2013 13:31 beefhamburger wrote:
So for Vayne, BotRK + Zephyr better than BotRK + PD? I haven't thought about it before but Zephyr seems better in most situations (and only +50 gold for Zephyr). You may not scale as well once you start building an IE, but that's usually last anyways. Thoughts?
This is some easy shit to math.
Lets say I'm like a level 13 Vayne, and assume our target has 2k HP. I'll ignore the Borkbork passive for easy math. Silver bolts on this target is adding an averaged 73.33 damage per hit.
With a standard rune/mastery page, rank 2 ult, Zerker greaves and BotRK I've got:
177.46 AD (85.21 bonus AD)
1.331134 attack speed (+102.3%)
My autoattack DPS is: 236.22 phys damage + 97.61 true damage
With BotRK and Zephyr:
202.46 AD (110.21 bonus AD)
1.660134 attack speed (+152.3%)
My autoattack DPS is: 336.11 phys damage + 121.73 true damage
With BotRK and PD:
177.46 AD (85.21 bonus AD)
1.660134 attack speed (+152.3%)
30% crit
My autoattack DPS is: 382.98 phys damage + 121.73 true damage
So the end result is, PD is giving more damage. The more AD you have the more PD's damage will outscale Zephyrs, especially if you buy IE.
Zephyr is clearly not a bad item for Vayne though, if you really need that Tenacity to escape a Nasus or something.
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United States23745 Posts
Neo has been pretty big on Wu Mid for awhile now. He can abuse a lot of squishier Mids.
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Zephyr gives you tenacity and better %ms too, you can easily get one more hit off now and then in situations that impossible with PD. Remember that Vayne is one of the slowest champs out there, even with Gravesboot+PD, she can barely chase after half of the champion pool with just boot. With Zephyr, she will become the fastest champ out there and no one should be able to outrun her.
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On August 05 2013 14:39 canikizu wrote:
Zephyr gives you tenacity and better %ms too, you can easily get one more hit off now and then in situations that impossible with PD. Remember that Vayne is one of the slowest champs out there, even with Gravesboot+PD, she can barely chase after half of the champion pool with just boot. With Zephyr, she will become the fastest champ out there and no one should be able to outrun her.
Her passive gives her a higher base movespeed than any other champ in the game, and you only get away from her if you're Hecarim, Rammus, Yi, or Udyr once she pops her ult. Only applies when chasing though, so Zephyr would be better for disengaging from fights.
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What I would be more interested in seeing for Vayne is if a second attackspeed item would outdamage LW.
Like, would BotRK + PD + Shiv + IE outdamage BotRK + PD + LW + IE
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On August 05 2013 14:44 Magus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2013 14:39 canikizu wrote:
Zephyr gives you tenacity and better %ms too, you can easily get one more hit off now and then in situations that impossible with PD. Remember that Vayne is one of the slowest champs out there, even with Gravesboot+PD, she can barely chase after half of the champion pool with just boot. With Zephyr, she will become the fastest champ out there and no one should be able to outrun her.
Her passive gives her a higher base movespeed than any other champ in the game, and you only get away from her if you're Hecarim, Rammus, Yi, or Udyr once she pops her ult. Only applies when chasing though, so Zephyr would be better for disengaging from fights.
A lot of champs still have the ability to slow her down, therefore get away from her easily though. Zephyr not only gives better ms, but also shaves off 1/3 of the cc time.
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On August 05 2013 14:53 Ketara wrote:
What I would be more interested in seeing for Vayne is if a second attackspeed item would outdamage LW.
Like, would BotRK + PD + Shiv + IE outdamage BotRK + PD + LW + IE
All I know is that 2 AS items + IE for damage 3 AS items for mobility.
Vayne is like the least LW reliant adc in the game since AS + Silver bolts melts anything.
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On August 05 2013 15:11 Slusher wrote:
shit is situational
Hardcore truth up in here.
Only a sith deal in absolutes, yo.
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peeps just finding out the 1.2 total ad scaling on wukong ult is retarded?
Just pick malphite vs him. Never hit more of a brick wall in my life.
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I guess the biggest downside of zephyr is the lack of crit going into the late game if you ever do pick up an IE
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On August 05 2013 15:04 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2013 14:44 Magus wrote:On August 05 2013 14:39 canikizu wrote:
Zephyr gives you tenacity and better %ms too, you can easily get one more hit off now and then in situations that impossible with PD. Remember that Vayne is one of the slowest champs out there, even with Gravesboot+PD, she can barely chase after half of the champion pool with just boot. With Zephyr, she will become the fastest champ out there and no one should be able to outrun her.
Her passive gives her a higher base movespeed than any other champ in the game, and you only get away from her if you're Hecarim, Rammus, Yi, or Udyr once she pops her ult. Only applies when chasing though, so Zephyr would be better for disengaging from fights. A lot of champs still have the ability to slow her down, therefore get away from her easily though. Zephyr not only gives better ms, but also shaves off 1/3 of the cc time.
"CC that I can survive long enough to break out of it without getting dumped on if I had tenacity" is pretty rare. If there are hard stuns that you can't really avoid, the only option for Vayne is to get a QSS - Zephyr isn't gonna save you. It's also a significant dps drop compared to PD/Shiv due to lacking crit. Even without IE, because your ult gives you a huge pile of AD (25/40/55), crit is so good.
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I have no idea when to farm as a jungle. Like every time I jungle I end up with waaay less farm than the other jungle and way outlevel'd. Between getting my buffs, ganking lanes and trying to control objectives it feels like I have no time to just farm.
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you're spending too much time walking between things.
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On August 05 2013 14:39 canikizu wrote:
Zephyr gives you tenacity and better %ms too, you can easily get one more hit off now and then in situations that impossible with PD. Remember that Vayne is one of the slowest champs out there, even with Gravesboot+PD, she can barely chase after half of the champion pool with just boot. With Zephyr, she will become the fastest champ out there and no one should be able to outrun her.
I think you just implied that Vayne has trouble chasing people down even with Bork factored into the equation
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