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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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kongoline
6318 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1id23z/evil_geniuses_team_additions_restructuring/ | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On July 16 2013 06:19 Zooper31 wrote: So everyone should say F*** teamwork and just do everything in their power to snowball their character and carry the game by themselves? It's a happy medium that LoL requires and even 1-2 person playing godlike can only carry a behind team so much if the other 3-4 members are playing like dead fish. NOT playing with your team and having a large impact on the game are completely different things. Players who ignore teamwork and think their team memebers are trash are very likely to lose a ton of games. If you play WITH your team but don't make the mistakes they do you become stronger than them (gold wise and play wise combined) leaving you lots of opportunites to win fights you would otherwise have lost leading to winning a game where an average player would almost always lose. (seemingly winning the game "singlehandedly" when you simply played with your team as best you could) | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 16 2013 05:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: My original point was merely that junglers don't get enough blame. In a game, on average, it's your fault 20% of the time. That's just how it is. Except the overblaming of junglers has led to a overcompensation of people circlejerking about how it's never jungler's fault, when really, junglers are at fault 20% of the time. The same is true with supports to a lesser extent. You'd never think so based on the shit people post though, since apparently junglers are infallible. As a jungler I know I'm not going bot often enough (especially pre-6, though Nautilus and Vi kinda suck at ganking bot pre-6 unless there's magically no ward in the river or if purple side you can walk through their jungle unseen), and some complains directed at me are true (even when the lane is getting super pushed I'm rarely bot, esp. if purple side unless I'm around mid already and try through enemy jungle without the detour costing too much time). However, if say bot and top or mid lose, I can't be everywhere at once. When 2 lanes or more fail what often happens is that the lane I can help thanks me or, more often, says nothing, while the other having trouble is spamming ping and insisting with "they are pushing" worded in a passive aggressive way, if not downright flaming me, because "omg jungler never ganks". Sometimes I have to put top and mid afloat after they fail by themselves or get ganked while I'm elsewhere, and bot is getting permapushed during that time. Then once I get mid 3 kills and am strong enough to even invade their jungle and have the enemy team walk away because I can 1v1 their jungle or mid, and win 2v2 if my mid follows, but after being mid so much their jungler tends to be graviting around there too and I can't walk through there to backdoor their botlane as I'll always be seen way in advance, so I try to powerfarm while their jungle wastes time or help top, and our newly fed mid roams bot and relieves pressure from there. By then our mid is a messiah because the guy was able to help our poor, poor botlane, while this scumbag jungler who dared to go help mid after he gave up fb 1v1 and then help top after the enemy jungler camped there while he held mid, is an unforgivable ingrate who's unable to understand that this botlane won't be able to carry him if he doesn't gank for them. As I often tell them, "dude, I've got Smite, not TP, and I'm no Kassadin, if you all need help somebody's gonna be prejudiced". | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On July 16 2013 06:22 kongoline wrote: speaking about junglers snoopeh is temporarily stepping down http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1id23z/evil_geniuses_team_additions_restructuring/ Good changes overall for EG, only a little late. And imo there would have been way better and more experienced junglers than Shacker to replace Snoopeh. For example Hulberto or Amazing. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
if he doesn't burn out within 3 weeks from unmanageable stress I will be impressed I can't imagine anyone lasting in such conditions for a very long time Can't really comment about Shacker, I know that Amazing and Hulberto are one of the best junglers EU currently, but Shacker is too low on the ladder to meet me HUE | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Is that the jungler is always right. Because the best jungler on that chart farms the most. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
The second biggest difference is invading which C9 jungler also has a lot, also because his team is winning. Yes, farming on jungler is generally underrated, but that chart doesn't illustrate it well at all | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On July 16 2013 06:47 UniversalSnip wrote: it's way easier as jungler to ignore your own complete worthlessness. if you're not in a lane you're doing golems or something so you still feel productive. Yo those double golems aren't gonna farm themselves. On July 16 2013 06:52 cLutZ wrote: What this chart tells us: http://i.imgur.com/d8hm3yA.png Is that the jungler is always right. Because the best jungler on that chart farms the most. Only thing that chart tells us is Saint's a feeder. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On July 16 2013 06:52 cLutZ wrote: What this chart tells us: http://i.imgur.com/d8hm3yA.png Is that the jungler is always right. Because the best jungler on that chart farms the most. I have seen soloQ games of Meteos where he had the most farm in the game in the mid game. He is a greedy bitch. :D | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
upsi daisy wrong thread ~ | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On July 16 2013 06:52 cLutZ wrote: What this chart tells us: http://i.imgur.com/d8hm3yA.png Is that the jungler is always right. Because the best jungler on that chart farms the most. Meteos also barely ganks, just taxes lanes er i mean "helps them push" Fun little graph though. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 16 2013 07:15 sylverfyre wrote: Meteos also barely ganks, just taxes lanes er i mean "helps them push" Fun little graph though. See, more evidence that the jungler is always right! Always farm, never gank, tax all day. | ||
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DragoonTT
3398 Posts
On July 16 2013 06:40 Redox wrote: Good changes overall for EG, only a little late. And imo there would have been way better and more experienced junglers than Shacker to replace Snoopeh. For example Hulberto or Amazing. High time for EG to pick up a coach/analyst, and nRated seems to be a great guy for that role. Said the same to a friend two days ago, in fact. Too bad I was right, now I have to stop hating EG. Still, wondering how this'll work out for them. Luckily for EG, LCS EU is still very close, with aTn on a clear downward trajectory (at this point, I'm sure they'll make 5/6th at best) and the other teams ranging between wildly inconsistent (Gambit, NiP) and underperforming (SK, to a lesser extent fnatic). | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On July 16 2013 06:25 Alaric wrote: As a jungler I know I'm not going bot often enough (especially pre-6, though Nautilus and Vi kinda suck at ganking bot pre-6 unless there's magically no ward in the river or if purple side you can walk through their jungle unseen), and some complains directed at me are true (even when the lane is getting super pushed I'm rarely bot, esp. if purple side unless I'm around mid already and try through enemy jungle without the detour costing too much time). However, if say bot and top or mid lose, I can't be everywhere at once. When 2 lanes or more fail what often happens is that the lane I can help thanks me or, more often, says nothing, while the other having trouble is spamming ping and insisting with "they are pushing" worded in a passive aggressive way, if not downright flaming me, because "omg jungler never ganks". Sometimes I have to put top and mid afloat after they fail by themselves or get ganked while I'm elsewhere, and bot is getting permapushed during that time. Then once I get mid 3 kills and am strong enough to even invade their jungle and have the enemy team walk away because I can 1v1 their jungle or mid, and win 2v2 if my mid follows, but after being mid so much their jungler tends to be graviting around there too and I can't walk through there to backdoor their botlane as I'll always be seen way in advance, so I try to powerfarm while their jungle wastes time or help top, and our newly fed mid roams bot and relieves pressure from there. By then our mid is a messiah because the guy was able to help our poor, poor botlane, while this scumbag jungler who dared to go help mid after he gave up fb 1v1 and then help top after the enemy jungler camped there while he held mid, is an unforgivable ingrate who's unable to understand that this botlane won't be able to carry him if he doesn't gank for them. As I often tell them, "dude, I've got Smite, not TP, and I'm no Kassadin, if you all need help somebody's gonna be prejudiced". I told a mid that earlier, i was ganking top he dies mid and goes, "OMG WHERE ARE YOU" i was like, mother fucker do i look like Kassadin? | ||
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Whitejack
27 Posts
http://www.newsoflegends.com/index.php/pbe-jayceolafaegislocket-new-item-icons-queue-dodge-penalty-hired-gun-lucian-patch-3-9-issue-and-the-new-sale-10755/ Ryze nerfed pretty hard imo, his range was pretty necessary to be the strong champion he is. And Aegis now useless.. Seems really bad. | ||
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Anakko
France1934 Posts
Back to rushing warmogs as mundo lol Wasn't a big fan of that golem/aegis style i was kinda forced into | ||
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