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I think people are too into the whole "IT'S NEVER THE JUNGLER'S FAULT" thing.
Sure you might not be actively losing the game for your team, but if you're not actively doing something to win the game, there's really no difference.
So if all your laners die while you spent your time farming jungle/being in the wrong places, yeah, it's your fault even if you're 0-0-2 or some dumb score like that.
If the other jungler is ganking and putting massive pressure on all your lanes, you're not accomplishing anything but getting those 4 wraiths or those 3 wolves. you can't just tell your laners to "play safe and ward" because most of the time even if that happens, enemy jungler can still apply pressure while you're dicking around doing nothing in the jungle.
tl;dr, it's actually the jungler's fault even if you might not like hearing it.
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On July 16 2013 03:12 Klonopin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 00:24 Requizen wrote:On July 15 2013 23:48 Sandster wrote:On July 15 2013 13:45 Requizen wrote:
4 games in a row (6 if you count Friday) where I am the only person in my team who is at least halfway competent. And demoted. And getting bitched at by people who literally watch the enemy team walk into a bush and then proceed to facecheck it, because I didn't gank for them. People who are physically and mentally too stupid to keep from throwing a game.
Why even bother playing if this is the community I just had 10 game losing streak in ranked. I went from ~gold 2 MMR to silver/gold. That shit happens, sometimes you get stuck with really really fucking bad teammates or d/c's. And duo queues that have no idea what they're doing is the bane of solo queue. If you really think you're better than the other 9 players in the game, as jungle/support you have to babysit your lanes quite a bit and ping everything for them, and if you're a solo lane then you better crush your lane while dealing with jungle pressure yourself. But yeah, in the end if it bothers you that much then the game isn't for you. Only way to avoid retards/trolls is by playing single player games, or 1v1 games and muting the other guy. You need to spend SO much time playing this game to improve that if you're not having fun, it's not worth it. The game itself is fun. People, on a whole (not just in LoL), are shitty, horrible ingrates that make me as homicidal as I am self depressive, and it's compounded thanks to the anonymity and brief connection of a League match. Since I'm obviously never going to improve my skill or rank, and because I'm probably never going to get hired by Riot, there's really no reason for me to even play this thing anymore since all it's done for me is made me add new holes in my wall. The thing about jungling is that you can get blamed a lot but you have to realize that its not all your fault. In a recent game I played hecarim and had ori mid on my team. At level 5 the enemy lux had poked ori down to 1/3 health and I pinged ori to go back to base. She didn't listen and at 6 lux killed her. The lane snowballed and it was my fault, of course, for not ganking and winning the lane for ori. Knowledge is very important to doing well at LoL. I KNEW that lux would kill ori at 6. The ori obviously didn't understand the situation she was in. You can't reach through the internet and make people do things, all you can do is do the best in your role and on your champ. If you lose, then so be it. I've stopped taking it so personally. There are a lot of bad people that play this game. I played hots since it came out, and came back to LoL about three weeks ago. I've gone from bronze5 to silver1 in that time. Improving is not impossible, and moving up the ranks seems much easier then it did in season 2.
I didn't jungle any of those games. I won my lane in all situations except playing bot when my Sona decided that it was my fault she was walking into Varus/Zyra and dying repeatedly (trading Power Chord for half her health bar is a good trade apparently). I had the highest farm on our team, and often in the game. But because of the nature of MOBAs, your skill doesn't really matter if the game is already going in one direction or the other thanks to snowball.
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On July 16 2013 03:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I think people are too into the whole "IT'S NEVER THE JUNGLER'S FAULT" thing.
Sure you might not be actively losing the game for your team, but if you're not actively doing something to win the game, there's really no difference.
So if all your laners die while you spent your time farming jungle/being in the wrong places, yeah, it's your fault even if you're 0-0-2 or some dumb score like that.
If the other jungler is ganking and putting massive pressure on all your lanes, you're not accomplishing anything but getting those 4 wraiths or those 3 wolves. you can't just tell your laners to "play safe and ward" because most of the time even if that happens, enemy jungler can still apply pressure while you're dicking around doing nothing in the jungle.
tl;dr, it's actually the jungler's fault even if you might not like hearing it.
pls cheep you busy dying to their mid 1v1 gfto~
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On July 16 2013 03:30 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Why are there so many Katarina skin sales lately? lol
it might be for no reason at all, but they used to cycle thru a champions skins shortly before a ptr reveal, thats how I got all of Ahri's skins >.>
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The thing is there are times when it's not the junglers fault that a lane is doing poorly, but the jungler was in a position where there were things they could have done to solve the problem, and them not doing those things is very much their fault.
If I die 1v1 in mid yeah that's my mistake, but if I die 1v1 in mid while you're at our wraith camp and you didn't stop doing wraiths and try to save me, that's also your mistake too.
The reason why the "blame the jungler" stuff is so frustrating is because the laner is typically blaming the jungler for not solving problems that they caused, so even if they're correct in their bitching about how the jungler could have done something and didn't, you really don't want to hear it because it shouldn't be your job to fix other peoples fuck ups. Unfortunately you're a jungler, and that's kind of part of your job.
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On July 16 2013 04:13 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 03:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I think people are too into the whole "IT'S NEVER THE JUNGLER'S FAULT" thing.
Sure you might not be actively losing the game for your team, but if you're not actively doing something to win the game, there's really no difference.
So if all your laners die while you spent your time farming jungle/being in the wrong places, yeah, it's your fault even if you're 0-0-2 or some dumb score like that.
If the other jungler is ganking and putting massive pressure on all your lanes, you're not accomplishing anything but getting those 4 wraiths or those 3 wolves. you can't just tell your laners to "play safe and ward" because most of the time even if that happens, enemy jungler can still apply pressure while you're dicking around doing nothing in the jungle.
tl;dr, it's actually the jungler's fault even if you might not like hearing it. pls cheep you busy dying to their mid 1v1 gfto~
wingsofdeathx'ed
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On July 16 2013 03:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I think people are too into the whole "IT'S NEVER THE JUNGLER'S FAULT" thing.
Sure you might not be actively losing the game for your team, but if you're not actively doing something to win the game, there's really no difference.
So if all your laners die while you spent your time farming jungle/being in the wrong places, yeah, it's your fault even if you're 0-0-2 or some dumb score like that.
If the other jungler is ganking and putting massive pressure on all your lanes, you're not accomplishing anything but getting those 4 wraiths or those 3 wolves. you can't just tell your laners to "play safe and ward" because most of the time even if that happens, enemy jungler can still apply pressure while you're dicking around doing nothing in the jungle.
tl;dr, it's actually the jungler's fault even if you might not like hearing it.
NO NO JUNGLERS HAVE NO IMPACT ON GAMES I HATE SOLOQ BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS BLAME ME DAE THINKS RIOT SHOULD BUFF JUNGLERS ?
Honestly junglers have by far the highest impact at ANY level of play and it's the easiest to play, mechanically and strategically.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On July 16 2013 03:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I think people are too into the whole "IT'S NEVER THE JUNGLER'S FAULT" thing.
Sure you might not be actively losing the game for your team, but if you're not actively doing something to win the game, there's really no difference.
So if all your laners die while you spent your time farming jungle/being in the wrong places, yeah, it's your fault even if you're 0-0-2 or some dumb score like that.
If the other jungler is ganking and putting massive pressure on all your lanes, you're not accomplishing anything but getting those 4 wraiths or those 3 wolves. you can't just tell your laners to "play safe and ward" because most of the time even if that happens, enemy jungler can still apply pressure while you're dicking around doing nothing in the jungle.
tl;dr, it's actually the jungler's fault even if you might not like hearing it.
with great power comes great responsibility
jungler is like the star of the team so if he messes up it messes up the game bad
all the glory to you if you play well though
LOL jungler is easiest to play strategically.
ok
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On July 16 2013 04:16 Ketara wrote:
The thing is there are times when it's not the junglers fault that a lane is doing poorly, but the jungler was in a position where there were things they could have done to solve the problem, and them not doing those things is very much their fault.
If I die 1v1 in mid yeah that's my mistake, but if I die 1v1 in mid while you're at our wraith camp and you didn't stop doing wraiths and try to save me, that's also your mistake too.
The reason why the "blame the jungler" stuff is so frustrating is because the laner is typically blaming the jungler for not solving problems that they caused, so even if they're correct in their bitching about how the jungler could have done something and didn't, you really don't want to hear it because it shouldn't be your job to fix other peoples fuck ups. Unfortunately you're a jungler, and that's kind of part of your job.
Honestly, its not like wraiths are that close. Unless you are camping a lane that starts trading you are just going to get there just in time to give up the double kill. Or sometimes in time to get a nice kill secure on a 1 for 1 if there is no jungler.
Usually though, your laner loses the 1v1, then you are like "hey hey free kill + lane tax!" then the counter-countergank comes and you die.
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On July 16 2013 04:26 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 03:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I think people are too into the whole "IT'S NEVER THE JUNGLER'S FAULT" thing.
Sure you might not be actively losing the game for your team, but if you're not actively doing something to win the game, there's really no difference.
So if all your laners die while you spent your time farming jungle/being in the wrong places, yeah, it's your fault even if you're 0-0-2 or some dumb score like that.
If the other jungler is ganking and putting massive pressure on all your lanes, you're not accomplishing anything but getting those 4 wraiths or those 3 wolves. you can't just tell your laners to "play safe and ward" because most of the time even if that happens, enemy jungler can still apply pressure while you're dicking around doing nothing in the jungle.
tl;dr, it's actually the jungler's fault even if you might not like hearing it. with great power comes great responsibility jungler is like the star of the team so if he messes up it messes up the game bad all the glory to you if you play well though LOL jungler is easiest to play strategically. ok
cause obviously u just PvE and show up at a lane whenever you feel like it
+ Show Spoiler +AD is definitely the easiest to play strategically...skirmish responsibly, farm all da minions, know where to kite.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
I love AD carries, everyone who mained AD carry for long enough suffers from the AD carry syndrome
they gravitate towards farm faster than anyone can make calls
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lol that is so true. When im playing lower level games with friends im always pinging where farm will be available well beforehand.
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On July 16 2013 04:28 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 04:16 Ketara wrote:
The thing is there are times when it's not the junglers fault that a lane is doing poorly, but the jungler was in a position where there were things they could have done to solve the problem, and them not doing those things is very much their fault.
If I die 1v1 in mid yeah that's my mistake, but if I die 1v1 in mid while you're at our wraith camp and you didn't stop doing wraiths and try to save me, that's also your mistake too.
The reason why the "blame the jungler" stuff is so frustrating is because the laner is typically blaming the jungler for not solving problems that they caused, so even if they're correct in their bitching about how the jungler could have done something and didn't, you really don't want to hear it because it shouldn't be your job to fix other peoples fuck ups. Unfortunately you're a jungler, and that's kind of part of your job. Honestly, its not like wraiths are that close. Unless you are camping a lane that starts trading you are just going to get there just in time to give up the double kill. Or sometimes in time to get a nice kill secure on a 1 for 1 if there is no jungler. Usually though, your laner loses the 1v1, then you are like "hey hey free kill + lane tax!" then the counter-countergank comes and you die.
It's just an example, point is still there.
There are some junglers that can make it from wraiths into your side of mid pretty instantly, like Jarvan.
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On July 16 2013 04:36 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 04:28 cLutZ wrote:On July 16 2013 04:16 Ketara wrote:
The thing is there are times when it's not the junglers fault that a lane is doing poorly, but the jungler was in a position where there were things they could have done to solve the problem, and them not doing those things is very much their fault.
If I die 1v1 in mid yeah that's my mistake, but if I die 1v1 in mid while you're at our wraith camp and you didn't stop doing wraiths and try to save me, that's also your mistake too.
The reason why the "blame the jungler" stuff is so frustrating is because the laner is typically blaming the jungler for not solving problems that they caused, so even if they're correct in their bitching about how the jungler could have done something and didn't, you really don't want to hear it because it shouldn't be your job to fix other peoples fuck ups. Unfortunately you're a jungler, and that's kind of part of your job. Honestly, its not like wraiths are that close. Unless you are camping a lane that starts trading you are just going to get there just in time to give up the double kill. Or sometimes in time to get a nice kill secure on a 1 for 1 if there is no jungler. Usually though, your laner loses the 1v1, then you are like "hey hey free kill + lane tax!" then the counter-countergank comes and you die. It's just an example, point is still there. There are some junglers that can make it from wraiths into your side of mid pretty instantly, like Jarvan.
I saw a think like that in a recent EU game. Jarvan E-Qed to lane, and then got some nice lane tax after ignite killed his laner.
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A better example is TF ults top to do a three man gank on top, and the jungler is at wraithes. Proper response is to immediately go mid and do as much damage to the turret as possible with the mid, or take dragon. I've noticed a lot of junglers at my level don't take advantage of pressure points and net turrets and let crap like that happen without getting anything in return back.
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There's nothing more frustrating as a top laner than knowing/pinging the enemy jungler camping you, and watching your jungler continue to farm small camps in his own jungle. Even if it's a 1-time gank after 8min in the game, assuming your other lanes didn't completely fail, that's usually enough time to invade or dragon.
Seriously dude, go do something with all the free time and information you're getting.
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On July 16 2013 03:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I think people are too into the whole "IT'S NEVER THE JUNGLER'S FAULT" thing.
Sure you might not be actively losing the game for your team, but if you're not actively doing something to win the game, there's really no difference.
So if all your laners die while you spent your time farming jungle/being in the wrong places, yeah, it's your fault even if you're 0-0-2 or some dumb score like that.
If the other jungler is ganking and putting massive pressure on all your lanes, you're not accomplishing anything but getting those 4 wraiths or those 3 wolves. you can't just tell your laners to "play safe and ward" because most of the time even if that happens, enemy jungler can still apply pressure while you're dicking around doing nothing in the jungle.
tl;dr, it's actually the jungler's fault even if you might not like hearing it.
It's like healers in WoW. The key is plausible deniability.
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On July 16 2013 04:26 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 03:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I think people are too into the whole "IT'S NEVER THE JUNGLER'S FAULT" thing.
Sure you might not be actively losing the game for your team, but if you're not actively doing something to win the game, there's really no difference.
So if all your laners die while you spent your time farming jungle/being in the wrong places, yeah, it's your fault even if you're 0-0-2 or some dumb score like that.
If the other jungler is ganking and putting massive pressure on all your lanes, you're not accomplishing anything but getting those 4 wraiths or those 3 wolves. you can't just tell your laners to "play safe and ward" because most of the time even if that happens, enemy jungler can still apply pressure while you're dicking around doing nothing in the jungle.
tl;dr, it's actually the jungler's fault even if you might not like hearing it. with great power comes great responsibility jungler is like the star of the team so if he messes up it messes up the game bad all the glory to you if you play well though LOL jungler is easiest to play strategically. ok
Ok, maybe AD ahead, but only in games where you got room to farm.
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On July 16 2013 03:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I think people are too into the whole "IT'S NEVER THE JUNGLER'S FAULT" thing.
Sure you might not be actively losing the game for your team, but if you're not actively doing something to win the game, there's really no difference.
So if all your laners die while you spent your time farming jungle/being in the wrong places, yeah, it's your fault even if you're 0-0-2 or some dumb score like that.
If the other jungler is ganking and putting massive pressure on all your lanes, you're not accomplishing anything but getting those 4 wraiths or those 3 wolves. you can't just tell your laners to "play safe and ward" because most of the time even if that happens, enemy jungler can still apply pressure while you're dicking around doing nothing in the jungle.
tl;dr, it's actually the jungler's fault even if you might not like hearing it.
its always the junglers fault
but its just easier to imagine exactly when the jungler might have arrived and saved your lane than
a: being a jungler and predicting exactly when the right time to come to every lane is
b: being a non terribad player and realizing you are losing lane because of your own mistakes and your jungler wouldn't be needed at all if you weren't terribad
the expansion to this notion is that its always your fault if you lose the game.
this post is just offering people more excuses to blame other people on their own terribleness
BTW: "applying pressure" in inself isnt worth anything, unless you are actively preventing a player who wants to play agressive to do so, its probably not diong anything. (assuming the guy can farm from range or whatever)
you can out farm a jungler if your team plays safe and wards and then have total map control because you're higher level/gold and can win any countergank situation and can't easily be counterganked yourself
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