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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:11 Requizen wrote: I know plenty of people who rage and bitch when they play with folks they know, there's no precedent saying you play better with friends/teammates. I don't think Yango is trying to say any 1 way is best for n=1. He's basically saying right now the only real avenue is soloQ though, so if that doesn't work for you you're fucked if you are the group that does really function best playing with people you know. FWIW I abhor soloQ and it's not because I have a 'can't improve' mindset, I just hate playing a multiplayer game alone. I pretty much accept every duoQ offer, but for the most part that means I spam normals with people(although in the case of League I really don't care about improving right now because I 100% am just playing for funsies, but people who don't post on this forum anymore can attest to the idea that I am capable of giving a shit in a serious 5s/ranked 5s scenario beyond what my soloQ rating shows). | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:12 PrinceXizor wrote: but you are held accountable for what you say to your friends/teammates. not so randoms. Not really; friends give a lot of leeway because you can leverage friendship. Terribly skeptical way to look at it; but that's generally why you're far more blunt with close friends than you are with strangers. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:08 wei2coolman wrote: No, but the player isn't going to improve either way. Remember this whole argument/debate originated from the idea 'oh solo queue ain't helping me'. Which is wrong. Once you've accepted that solo queue can improve you as a player, then that's when you can improve in a 5's setting as well. No point in dragging 4 other people down with you if you can't prove to be a player with right mentality. The argument is that there's no alternative avenue for someone who doesn't enjoy the stress/rage/frustration of solo queue to really play the game with a mind toward improving because the community as a whole is so obsessed with solo queue. Obviously it won't necessarily be the *best* way to improve. But this is a game, ffs. We're not looking for the *best* way to improve because we're not aiming to be a pro player--we're aiming for the one that's the most fun, and for a lot of people, solo queue is pretty clearly not the most fun. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:14 wei2coolman wrote: Not really; friends give a lot of leeway because you can leverage friendship. Terribly skeptical way to look at it; but that's generally why you're far more blunt with close friends than you are with strangers. so if your friend calls you out on being a dick, you rage harder at him? or you apologize and move on? or you walk away and take a break and come back being fine? because solo queue ONLY fosters the first one. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:15 TheYango wrote: The argument is that there's no alternative avenue for someone who doesn't enjoy the stress/rage/frustration of solo queue to really play the game with a mind toward improving because the community as a whole is so obsessed with solo queue. Obviously it won't necessarily be the *best* way to improve. But this is a game, ffs. We're not looking for the *best* way to improve because we're not aiming to be a pro player--we're aiming for the one that's the most fun, and for a lot of people, solo queue is pretty clearly not the most fun. If you have the mindset that solo queue is causing you stress/rage/frustration, then you have the wrong solo queue mentality is what I'm saying. On July 24 2013 06:15 PrinceXizor wrote: so if your friend calls you out on being a dick, you rage harder at him? or you apologize and move on? or you walk away and take a break and come back being fine? because solo queue ONLY fosters the first one. It's a two way street; you can also call your friend a dick, and say he sucks as well. If you have that kind of mentality in solo queue, to blame others, nothing is going to change in a "friend environment". | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I honestly don't even think you guys are arguing about anything anymore | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:16 wei2coolman wrote: If you have the mindset that solo queue is causing you stress/rage/frustration, then you have the wrong solo queue mentality is what I'm saying. It's a two way street; you can also call your friend a dick, and say he sucks as well. If you have that kind of mentality in solo queue, to blame others, nothing is going to change in a "friend environment". no because in solo queue you have two options: admit you are wrong and apologize, or rage back. being with friends gives you a third option. so the existence of the third option changes the dynamic dramatically. maybe not for everyone, but it does change it. Your stance that solo queue is the only way to improve at a low level is just terrible. your stance that people who act like dicks in solo queue ALL act like dicks around their friends too is terrible. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:16 wei2coolman wrote: It's a two way street; you can also call your friend a dick, and say he sucks as well. If you have that kind of mentality in solo queue, to blame others, nothing is going to change in a "friend environment". That's not even necessarily true either; I don't know why you're expecting a n=1 burden for one side but throw out tons of generalizations yourself. | ||
Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:18 Slusher wrote: is anyone actually arguing that doing 100% of one and 0% of the other is right in all situations for all people, because if they are that's retarded. I honestly don't even think you guys are arguing about anything anymore I don't think so either. I think I might get a cat, thoughts? | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:20 Requizen wrote: I don't think so either. I think I might get a cat, thoughts? get a grey one. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On July 24 2013 05:57 wei2coolman wrote: Chances are the Plat 2 dude is going to work out better for you, 80% of the time. Those statistics. How many times has that story actually come to pass? I can think of a billion plot twists. Maybe Silver 3 is being vouched for by a top teammate. Maybe Plat 2 is a known rager. Maybe Plat 2 hasn't played in months. Maybe Silver 3 was 1800 ELO last season and plays lots of normals now and his friend smurfed his ranked so he can play with other ranked. Whatever the reason, cases like that are never clear cut so there is really no point in isolating a situation that doesn't happen. Again, I'm not discounting solo Q and calling it useless, but that some people choose to play the games in other ways and that they can also grow in skill that isn't measured in solo Q ranking. The problem is that solo Q is seen as the only evaluator of skill right now. It's not a bad evaluator, it's certainly not the greatest either, but the problem is that it's the only one. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:21 nafta wrote: Dogs are better. I want a dog, but my friend is selling his cat because he can't have it in his apartment. Otherwise I'm getting a Corgi and naming it Ein. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:20 Requizen wrote: I don't think so either. I think I might get a cat, thoughts? If you have roommates; don't get a pet. If by yourself; knock yourself out. Currently living with a roommate who does a shit job taking care of her dogs; fucking making it hell for me. Chew'd/slobbered all over my shoes earlier today. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:22 kainzero wrote: Those statistics. How many times has that story actually come to pass? I can think of a billion plot twists. Maybe Silver 3 is being vouched for by a top teammate. Maybe Plat 2 is a known rager. Maybe Plat 2 hasn't played in months. Maybe Silver 3 was 1800 ELO last season and plays lots of normals now and his friend smurfed his ranked so he can play with other ranked. Whatever the reason, cases like that are never clear cut so there is really no point in isolating a situation that doesn't happen. Again, I'm not discounting solo Q and calling it useless, but that some people choose to play the games in other ways and that they can also grow in skill that isn't measured in solo Q ranking. The problem is that solo Q is seen as the only evaluator of skill right now. It's not a bad evaluator, it's certainly not the greatest either, but the problem is that it's the only one. More importantly, what if the plat 2 dude is a turtling AD player and you are a team of faster push oriented players which fits the silver 3 support guys style more, AND you are looking for a support player. the silver 3 guy is the better choice its much easier to improve a guys generic skill at a game than it is to have the other guy unlearn his style and adapt yours. most of the time the second option just fails. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:26 PrinceXizor wrote: More importantly, what if the plat 2 dude is a turtling AD player and you are a team of faster push oriented players which fits the silver 3 support guys style more, AND you are looking for a support player. the silver 3 guy is the better choice its much easier to improve a guys generic skill at a game than it is to have the other guy unlearn his style and adapt yours. most of the time the second option just fails. Cop; summer split. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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