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On July 24 2013 05:23 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:15 Feartheguru wrote:
The difference between silver and plat solo queue is cataclysmic, nevermind diamond, why form a team just to get facerolled in cups, better to do your own thing. because people improve and learn from failure? Or should every team that hasn't won the majority of their last 10 games disband because they don't have a chance anymore?
Usually when losing at low level, you're losing because of individual mistakes; stuff that can be just fix'd though solo queue.
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On July 24 2013 04:10 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 04:08 jaybrundage wrote:On July 24 2013 04:08 nafta wrote:On July 24 2013 04:06 cLutZ wrote:
By the way, this is why Melle AD is not a thing, he can't shred Malph (maybe he could win an all in, who knows), so whats the point? Plus he loses to an Ezreal in a duel? Come on. To be fair ez is an amazing duelist :D. Most adc's are amazing duelist's* fixed Most marksmen are amazing duelists. Fixed.
Is that the new term for the ranged attack damage carry.
How about we change it to Ranged Attack Damge carries's
or Rad thoughts :3
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On July 24 2013 04:36 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 04:29 nafta wrote:
It's because there is nothing better to do.Finding 4 other people to play with regularly is very hard.And even if you find 4 randoms without actually knowing how they play it's not very worth to go into ranked 5-s.Soloq is just the time filler. but its a time filler that people actually think accurately measures you potential as a player. take Flame for example in the korean scene, he was a moderately ranked solo queue player. brought onto CJ, he spends 3 months with a team practicing and accelerates from the worst top player in pro korea to the best. It wasn't solo queue showing that he was in fact the best, it was his practice and play with his team. solo queue means nothing and should be accepted as nothing but a fun mode you get to be ranked in. being good at solo queue =/= being good in a team game. HotshotGG has reached the top of solo queue before, it doesn't mean he's a better top laner than flame, who has not.
I disagree while being a "good solo q player" does not reflect your actual skill in a competive game, it does say something you as a player. Your abilty to adjust on the fly and make plays in the lane still carry over
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On July 24 2013 05:25 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:23 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 24 2013 05:15 Feartheguru wrote:
The difference between silver and plat solo queue is cataclysmic, nevermind diamond, why form a team just to get facerolled in cups, better to do your own thing. because people improve and learn from failure? Or should every team that hasn't won the majority of their last 10 games disband because they don't have a chance anymore? Usually when losing at low level, you're losing because of individual mistakes; stuff that can be just fix'd though solo queue.
do you think you improve faster playing solo queue than with a team able to confirm your mistakes and have discussions with about everyones play?
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Having fun isn't the point of league, the point of league is to get as high up in ranked as possible and slap people with your penis
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The point of League is to make friends
<3
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On July 24 2013 05:28 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:25 wei2coolman wrote:On July 24 2013 05:23 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 24 2013 05:15 Feartheguru wrote:
The difference between silver and plat solo queue is cataclysmic, nevermind diamond, why form a team just to get facerolled in cups, better to do your own thing. because people improve and learn from failure? Or should every team that hasn't won the majority of their last 10 games disband because they don't have a chance anymore? Usually when losing at low level, you're losing because of individual mistakes; stuff that can be just fix'd though solo queue. do you think you improve faster playing solo queue than with a team able to confirm your mistakes and have discussions with about everyones play?
I wonder if you seriously think that's how teams at low elo works.
On July 24 2013 05:30 Requizen wrote:
The point of League is to make friends
<3
How do you make friends if you uninstall? 
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On July 24 2013 05:27 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 04:10 AsmodeusXI wrote:On July 24 2013 04:08 jaybrundage wrote:On July 24 2013 04:08 nafta wrote:On July 24 2013 04:06 cLutZ wrote:
By the way, this is why Melle AD is not a thing, he can't shred Malph (maybe he could win an all in, who knows), so whats the point? Plus he loses to an Ezreal in a duel? Come on. To be fair ez is an amazing duelist :D. Most adc's are amazing duelist's* fixed Most marksmen are amazing duelists. Fixed. Is that the new term for the ranged attack damage carry. How about we change it to Ranged Attack Damge carries's or Rad thoughts :3
I think they intend it to mean "ranged autoattack-dependant" instead, since they include champions like Teemo or Kayle in the group.
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On July 24 2013 05:28 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:25 wei2coolman wrote:On July 24 2013 05:23 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 24 2013 05:15 Feartheguru wrote:
The difference between silver and plat solo queue is cataclysmic, nevermind diamond, why form a team just to get facerolled in cups, better to do your own thing. because people improve and learn from failure? Or should every team that hasn't won the majority of their last 10 games disband because they don't have a chance anymore? Usually when losing at low level, you're losing because of individual mistakes; stuff that can be just fix'd though solo queue. do you think you improve faster playing solo queue than with a team able to confirm your mistakes and have discussions with about everyones play?
I mean, if you play solo queue with a solo queue mindset, you actually improve quite quickly. But it's very easy for solo queue to make you frustrated and ragey to the point where you're not learning anything because you're not thinking clearly, and I'm pretty sure everyone has experienced this.
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On July 24 2013 05:29 Nos- wrote:
Having fun isn't the point of league, the point of league is to get as high up in ranked as possible and slap people with your penis
*Looks at our respective ratings.*
"Helspeth come here"
*SLAP*
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On July 24 2013 05:30 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:28 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 24 2013 05:25 wei2coolman wrote:On July 24 2013 05:23 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 24 2013 05:15 Feartheguru wrote:
The difference between silver and plat solo queue is cataclysmic, nevermind diamond, why form a team just to get facerolled in cups, better to do your own thing. because people improve and learn from failure? Or should every team that hasn't won the majority of their last 10 games disband because they don't have a chance anymore? Usually when losing at low level, you're losing because of individual mistakes; stuff that can be just fix'd though solo queue. do you think you improve faster playing solo queue than with a team able to confirm your mistakes and have discussions with about everyones play? I mean, if you play solo queue with a solo queue mindset, you actually improve quite quickly. But it's very easy for solo queue to make you frustrated and ragey to the point where you're not learning anything because you're not thinking clearly, and I'm pretty sure everyone has experienced this.
Might help you improve generically. but The top teams in the world in all games of the genre have a certain style of play they are best at. and while you may be a top 25 challenger player, and you may get to try out for Turtley team A or push heavy team B. it doesn't mean you be will adequately prepared to join either. Without developing your individual voice as a player you can't succeed on a team, unless you are on a team that is just strictly superior than the other teams you play against. This can be seen in dota 2 with DK, when they try to play outside of their incredibly powerful 4 for 1 strategies, they tend to flounder. its true in the NA scene, where very few teams have a voice, and most are just trying to pack the best players they can onto a team CLG is very infamous to me for just packing good players onto a team and trying to make it work despite their playstyles or even starting roles. interestingly enough CLG is one of the few teams with an actual voice, but they choose to not pick up players to support that voice.
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Might help you improve generically.
Well playing solo queue makes you better at playing solo queue.
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On July 24 2013 05:37 TheYango wrote:Well playing solo queue makes you better at playing solo queue.
Playing makes you better*
With that being said; no one is debating 5's being the "better way" to practice. But realistically, you'll have a tough time finding 4 other like minded guys, and arranging ranked 5's to be played, over just individually getting much better through solo queue.
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On July 24 2013 05:37 TheYango wrote:Well playing solo queue makes you better at playing solo queue.
Pretty much what i mean by generically. One of the things that made me grow the most as a dota player wasn't moving out of Bnet pubs into clan TDA, or even getting into some ranked IHLs. it was joining a team and practicing for CAL O and other tournaments. LoL doesn't have that infrastructure because of this view that solo queue is important. People shat all over elementz for his ELO and solo queue rank, but thats where he should be for someone that likes to practice out of the box style characters and play less standardly. his team was pretty bad at accommodating that and a team that worked with that style elementz would be more sucessful.
The only issue with development of styles in league is that riot tends to take a scorched earth policy to things they don't like, instead of attempting to judge them for their individual worth in the meta as a whole.
On July 24 2013 05:38 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:37 TheYango wrote:Might help you improve generically. Well playing solo queue makes you better at playing solo queue. Playing makes you better* With that being said; no one is debating 5's being the "better way" to practice. But realistically, you'll have a tough time finding 4 other like minded guys, and arranging ranked 5's to be played, over just individually getting much better through solo queue.
this is kind of what i mean. the LoL scene is inherently very lazy. they don't want to learn themselves so they watch streams and copy paste what they see. They don't want to improve in a more difficult way because of the extra work required, so they create this solo queue culture. riot has fed into this with the kneejerk reactions with patching, as well as their poor support for team formation (chat channels are dead for example).
Riot has stated their goals for the LoL scene are to eventually be hands off and the scene be self sustaining. but the scene has no way of foster new talent outside of solo queue. there is this barren wasteland that exists below the top of 5v5 ladder that offers no opportunity for advancement in any visible manner. they will inevitably fail at being hands off until something happens to encourage players to continue to play in teams at a lower than pro level.
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There's no defending Elementz; he just sucked. His lack of mechanical skill was hugely detrimental to Curse.
And this is coming from a guy who loved his Fiddle Support.
On July 24 2013 05:43 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:30 Requizen wrote:
The point of League is to make friends
<3 This. This. This. Point of every video game is to enjoy playing the game. Even the professionals in the scene got good because they enjoyed playing the game, otherwise they wouldn't sink countless hours into it. Play the game and find some friends you can relate to, play with them, and have fun while you're at it.
Who is this? and what have you done to Rawfles?
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On July 24 2013 05:30 Requizen wrote:
The point of League is to make friends
<3
This. This. This.
Point of every video game is to enjoy playing the game. Even the professionals in the scene got good because they enjoyed playing the game, otherwise they wouldn't sink countless hours into it. Play the game and find some friends you can relate to, play with them, and have fun while you're at it.
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On July 24 2013 05:30 wei2coolman wrote:
I wonder if you seriously think that's how teams at low elo works.
You don't think Navi and I had meaningful discussion about the game when we were both scrubs who couldn't break 1400 in solo queue?
It's actually pretty funny because when Navi had his short stint on FXO for a couple months it was painfully clear that he had way more experience playing 5s than anyone else on the team, even though they might not have been "high-level" 5s.
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On July 24 2013 05:43 wei2coolman wrote:There's no defending Elementz; he just sucked. His lack of mechanical skill was hugely detrimental to Curse. And this is coming from a guy who loved his Fiddle Support. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:43 Roffles wrote:On July 24 2013 05:30 Requizen wrote:
The point of League is to make friends
<3 This. This. This. Point of every video game is to enjoy playing the game. Even the professionals in the scene got good because they enjoyed playing the game, otherwise they wouldn't sink countless hours into it. Play the game and find some friends you can relate to, play with them, and have fun while you're at it. Who is this? and what have you done to Rawfles?
Xisor IS Elementz
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On July 24 2013 05:44 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:30 wei2coolman wrote:
I wonder if you seriously think that's how teams at low elo works. You don't think Navi and I had meaningful discussion about the game when we were both scrubs who couldn't break 1400 in solo queue? It's actually pretty funny because when Navi had his short stint on FXO for a couple months it was painfully clear that he had more experience playing 5s than anyone else on the team, even though they might not have been "high-level" 5s.
Having experience ins 5's will always be limited by mechanical ability. I guess it's a matter of the whole, "teach teamplayer how to be better as an individual player" or "teach strong individual player how to be teamplayer". I feel potential of any player will always be limited by his ability to execute the plan.
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On July 24 2013 05:15 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:12 kainzero wrote:On July 24 2013 04:52 TheYango wrote:On July 24 2013 04:44 kainzero wrote:
If blind normals in 3/4 stacks was your preferred play mode and you were actually quite good at it, and then you wanted to join a competitive team, you would get rebuffed because you don't have a good solo q rating. Hell, that's my preferred play mode and sometimes I can't argue with certain people about strategy because my solo Q rank is too low and they won't accept any other credential besides that. I mean that's sort of a weird example because people wouldn't scout pro players from random normal stacks in DotA either. But the point is that there's a judgment attached to someone's solo queue rating, and so there's a pressure for people to play solo queue when they actually enjoy those stacks more. You can say "if you don't like solo queue, don't play it" and in a sense that's true, but at the same time there are *definitely* people who feel pressured to play solo queue (or have a particular rating to prove themselves) when they don't enjoy it. Well, when I said "competitive team," I didn't want to limit it to pro teams. There are plenty of posts on PvP and some here where they're looking to build a team to compete in small cups or play arranged 5s, and almost all of them have plat/diamond solo Q minimum. I can understand it being a filter if they're being flooded with requests and they need a quick way to determine unskilled players vs skilled players, but the reality is that they get like 3 or 4 silver/gold players that are mildly interested but ashamed of their rank, and instead they just decide to not form their team. I think that's a huge impediment to getting 5s off the ground. The difference between silver and plat solo queue is cataclysmic, nevermind diamond, why form a team just to get facerolled in cups, better to do your own thing.
The two times I've encountered pro players in normals with my 5 stack, we rolled them. I've also successfully laned against Plats in normals. (Them Diamonds keep destroying me though, in the rare time that I do get a solo lane and lane against one of them.) I've also lost to mid-high Silvers, so no, this isn't a brag post.
It is normals, but at the same time, because I play normals over ranked, all I have to show for solo Q is my Silver 3. How do you evaluate my skills as a player because I prefer normals? How do you know that we're going to get facerolled every single time? I don't know. I just think that there are certain players that want to try ranked 5s, try play competitively, try to improve as a team, but they're automatically being blocked because of their solo Q ability. And at the top, you have groups of 4 diamond players who won't play cups because they can't find that last diamond player which further stunts the competitive scene.
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