Would ghost be imbalanced if it gave a resistance to slows?

Basically make it a nerfed Yi-ult.

Not complete immunity but slows on you are decreased. Probably nerf duration if this happened. Might help the bruiser being ineffective and could make choosing ghost more attractive.

Then again it could just completely break everything

Kupon3ss

時の回廊10066 Posts

July 23 2013 15:37 GMT

#4202

On July 23 2013 22:43 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
If anything I think people were being too nice to him from the get go. If I posted something like that in the Dota2 subforum or SC2 subforum I would probably get temp banned or warned.

It actually took several months of that level of behavior before the dota2 subforum temp banned shikyo actually

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

July 23 2013 15:40 GMT

#4203

Seems legit, it's been done in the past and should work okay now. The question is what is his niche over champs like Zed or another AD mid. Is is the physical damage, semi global presence or spell shield that we're picking Noc for?

Wineandbread

United States2065 Posts

July 23 2013 15:44 GMT

#4204

On July 24 2013 00:30 Mauzel wrote:
Would ghost be imbalanced if it gave a resistance to slows?

Basically make it a nerfed Yi-ult.

Not complete immunity but slows on you are decreased. Probably nerf duration if this happened. Might help the bruiser being ineffective and could make choosing ghost more attractive.

Then again it could just completely break everything

I think this idea is worth considering. It would heavily depend on the level of resistance though.
Flash still too gud doe

Maybe they should nerf flash/jumps instead so that they are affected by slows (more slow = more distance reduced on jump)
huehuehue

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

July 23 2013 15:47 GMT

#4205

On July 24 2013 00:40 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Seems legit, it's been done in the past and should work okay now. The question is what is his niche over champs like Zed or another AD mid. Is is the physical damage, semi global presence or spell shield that we're picking Noc for?

The last two I'd imagine. Spell shield counters certain mids hard, and his ultimate is as good as TFs in many ways and better in some.

Mauzel

United States421 Posts

July 23 2013 15:56 GMT

#4206

TBH, Mid Nocturne seems better with regards to sustain than most (if not all) AD mids.

His waveclear is not quite as a good as Zed's or Khazix's but it's probably better early on and might be good enough later. Plus, it doesn't have to be as good with regards to roaming. Thanks to his ulti he basically gets an additional 3 seconds of free clear time before he has to roam when the opponent's mid roams (or top and bot have 3 less seconds to react to a missing nocturne.)

His single target CC is slightly better (and honestly, that's what we want as an assasin right?)

But his burst is significantly worse.

Seems to me like he's a solid midgame-oriented AD mid.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

July 23 2013 16:02 GMT

#4207

So watching Snoopeh play Shy, just gotta wonder: what happened to lots of junglers running Smite/Exhaust? I distinctly remember it being a thing for a while on Shy, Lee, and the occasional Yi as well as a few others. Especially on champs that lack CC (like Shyvana), why did that suddenly peter out?

Mauzel

United States421 Posts

July 23 2013 16:05 GMT

#4208

On July 24 2013 01:02 Requizen wrote:
So watching Snoopeh play Shy, just gotta wonder: what happened to lots of junglers running Smite/Exhaust? I distinctly remember it being a thing for a while on Shy, Lee, and the occasional Yi as well as a few others. Especially on champs that lack CC (like Shyvana), why did that suddenly peter out?

Don't know the answer. Vision creep? lots of vision => harder to gank => emphasis on counter jungling where flash might be more useful in case you get caught?

Also exhaust is strictly worse than flash vs all these new heros with dashes.

Wetty

Australia419 Posts

July 23 2013 16:08 GMT

#4209

On July 23 2013 23:52 Alaric wrote:
Spectating a friend at around Gold IV, the top lane has Quinn vs Vayne (and bot is Tristana/Thresh vs Caitlyn/Leona so "standard"). Made me chuckle. The guy who picked Xerath after Ahri was locked in made me cringe a bit tho.

(Actually a lot makes me cringe, Quinn maxing E and not buying any wards nor pots, Leona going EW and trying to lock down people with that at level 2, Thresh trying to 1v1 Cait when he's half-health and she has a big wave... )

I'd love to discuss this - maxing E on Quinn is THE way to go, here's why I think why:

Q increases mana cost per level, and has a higher base cost. Blind duration doesn't decrease, but the cooldown does.
E mana cost stays the same, with a lower base cost.
Both can be used equally as well defensively, depending on the situation, maybe E more so.

Damage ramp up on Q is higher, but E applies an extra hit of your passive. Quinn's passive is massive damage and easily makes up the difference. Maxing E allows her to wait for a passive mark, pop passive, E, pop passive for absolutely massive burst. Unless you really need the range of Q in your lane, I like maxing E, it feels much better if you're playing an aggressive dueling style Quinn, which is where I feel she excels.

mr_tolkien

France8631 Posts

July 23 2013 16:11 GMT

#4210

On July 24 2013 00:37 Kupon3ss wrote:

Show nested quote +

It actually took several months of that level of behavior before the dota2 subforum temp banned shikyo actually

Oh so that's why we don't see him here anymore.

jaybrundage

United States3921 Posts

July 23 2013 16:16 GMT

#4211

I dont know i think people where hard on the new guy. While he came off a little brusque at first, he just wants to improve like everyone else

Vanka

China1336 Posts

July 23 2013 16:16 GMT

#4212

On July 24 2013 00:47 Requizen wrote:

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The last two I'd imagine. Spell shield counters certain mids hard, and his ultimate is as good as TFs in many ways and better in some.

Honestly you can pick him (in solo queue at the very least, if not ranked 5) for his vision denial alone, it's incredibly disorientating, and in a spread out teamfight where your team splits up, you can't understate how powerful the lack of vision is. His ult is also significant burst when you build him full ad, so it adds a lot of literal paranoia for the enemy squishies

AsmodeusXI

United States15536 Posts

July 23 2013 16:20 GMT

#4213

On July 24 2013 01:16 jaybrundage wrote:
I dont know i think people where hard on the new guy. While he came off a little brusque at first, he just wants to improve like everyone else

I concur. I'm not a fan of what he was saying either, but we were pretty rough. It's hard when it seems like everyone is attacking you. I hope he comes back and asks more questions because the more people we can help, the better.

Also, Req, with your new streaming fame, when you gonna have time to teach me Smite?

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

July 23 2013 16:26 GMT

#4214

On July 24 2013 01:20 AsmodeusXI wrote:

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We play it laters yo. Not this weekend tho, got some o dem D&D to play.

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

July 23 2013 16:26 GMT

#4215

Probably because people stopped playing dragon bitch. Also flash is way better on Lee for da plays.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

July 23 2013 16:33 GMT

#4216

Actually he just posted one or two pages back, after the bashing.

On July 24 2013 00:11 Requizen wrote:
Tonight gonna be a bit late, meeting family for dinner, but Imma try to duo with johnnywup when I get on.

Which timezone is "tonight" for you?

On July 24 2013 00:15 Vanka wrote:
Mid Nocturne

He has less burst than TF and weaker gank assist in lane though, his ult also needs vision instead of providing it, which can make cleaning up harder. And he's a bit more predictable in that he only has roughly half the range on his ult, and can't really instaclear the wave (at least not until it's balled up, while TF can kill it while it's still aligned).

How does he work? Apart from the ganking, I mean. You try to tag the enemy laner with Q when he goes for a last hit and use the MS to catch up and fear him, with the spellshield used to deflect any cc/peeling thrown your way? Since he lacks a "true" gap closer I'm having trouble figuring how he kills his laning opponent (unless they somehow let him get into fear casting range).

On July 24 2013 01:08 Wetty wrote:
Maxing Q or E on top Quinn.

But she was against a Vayne so the ability to blind more often to force trades seemed more important to me. Plus, if you max E you kinda rely on it for trading, and she was already ganked twice pretty early on by Volibear and bought no wards, so using E as your main trading tool feels pretty suicidal in this case. Made me puzzled so I deemed it bad.