• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:34
CEST 16:34
KST 23:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)21Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!5Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) BGE Stara Zagora to be held again in June 2025
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) Etiquete rules in Asl? Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9924 users

[Patch 3.09: Spirit Guard Udyr Patch] General Discussion -…

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 192 193 194 195 196 339 Next
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
July 22 2013 22:16 GMT
#3861
ok is something wrong with twitch atm? i cant log to my account or create new account, streams lag as hell for me
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 22 2013 22:19 GMT
#3862
On July 23 2013 07:14 Perplex wrote:
Damn, looks like i'm done playing Ryze. I can't believe they're nerfing EVERY spell.. I'll still try some games on him post-patch but I have a terrible feeling about this.


Ryze: Champ that used to have problems A,B,C.
Riot: Eliminate A,B,C as viable strategies. Wait 3 months. Nerf Ryze.
Freeeeeeedom
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 22:29:31
July 22 2013 22:27 GMT
#3863
From the earlier-released numbers, it seems like they are slightly lowering Ryze's ranges but also making all of his ranges the same. If anything, that's a sidegrade -- no more stuttering in the midst of your qrqwqeq combo because you weren't in range for one of your spells.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 22:35:42
July 22 2013 22:35 GMT
#3864
If anything, they are making his 1v1 and roaming much much stronger. Being able to run up to ppl more than makes up for the range nerf. It might makes harasssing under tower a bit more tricky, but how often does ryze pushes anybody under turret anyway?

It will make teamfights more interesting and positioning more important for ryze. He'll have to put himself in danger to spam, and won't be as much of an unstoppable rolfstomp machine later on. i actually like the changes.
TrAce/Cpt Jack for president (or both)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 22 2013 22:40 GMT
#3865
On July 23 2013 07:35 Anakko wrote:
If anything, they are making his 1v1 and roaming much much stronger. Being able to run up to ppl more than makes up for the range nerf. It might makes harasssing under tower a bit more tricky, but how often does ryze pushes anybody under turret anyway?

It will make teamfights more interesting and positioning more important for ryze. He'll have to put himself in danger to spam, and won't be as much of an unstoppable rolfstomp machine later on. i actually like the changes.


I guess. Maybe Ill just go back to playing Singed as my AP tanky DPS.
Freeeeeeedom
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
July 22 2013 22:41 GMT
#3866
On July 23 2013 06:57 ReketSomething wrote:
I wonder if ELO matters...

They did ask for it if you were pursuing a design position.


You can complain that they take too long but I'll say one thing.


At least you got a reply.

-_-;
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 22 2013 22:44 GMT
#3867
Streaming myself attempting to improve, if anyone has any input/advice you're welcome to share it. Or you know, if you just want to watch me fail.

http://www.twitch.tv/requizen/
It's your boy Guzma!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
July 22 2013 22:49 GMT
#3868
On July 23 2013 07:44 Requizen wrote:
Streaming myself attempting to improve, if anyone has any input/advice you're welcome to share it. Or you know, if you just want to watch me fail.

http://www.twitch.tv/requizen/


This is great and I fully support it.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 22 2013 22:52 GMT
#3869
LOL uninstall noob
+ Show Spoiler +
jk you know I love you <3
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
July 22 2013 23:13 GMT
#3870
I honestly still see ryze being viable yes he was nerfed but he needed it his itemization plus his late game dmg dealing was very strong factors for him. I think he will still be a very strong top laner tho
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
July 22 2013 23:14 GMT
#3871
On July 23 2013 07:44 Requizen wrote:
Streaming myself attempting to improve, if anyone has any input/advice you're welcome to share it. Or you know, if you just want to watch me fail.

http://www.twitch.tv/requizen/

Wait a second i remember giving you advice to improve and you said you just playing for fun :o
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
July 22 2013 23:20 GMT
#3872
On July 23 2013 05:35 Phunkapotamus wrote:
The new Spellbreaker item seems like a "Garen/Trynd/Gangplank" only item. It's melee-only- so what melee champs care about crit? If you don't care about crit I expect Maw to be better if you need that MR slot. I suppose it'd be good for Tankier champs that want to go boots other than Merc Treads.

It would depend on the numbers but I doubt it'll be cost effective given how cost ineffective crit is. Maybe if you sat on avarice blade for a long time.

Yeah I really don't get what the crit is doing on this item. I don't even understand who it's aimed at.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 22 2013 23:20 GMT
#3873
On July 23 2013 07:44 Requizen wrote:
Streaming myself attempting to improve, if anyone has any input/advice you're welcome to share it. Or you know, if you just want to watch me fail.

http://www.twitch.tv/requizen/

Back from uninstall to streaming in less than a week. Typical req.
liftlift > tsm
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
July 22 2013 23:23 GMT
#3874
On July 23 2013 07:35 Anakko wrote:
If anything, they are making his 1v1 and roaming much much stronger. Being able to run up to ppl more than makes up for the range nerf. It might makes harasssing under tower a bit more tricky, but how often does ryze pushes anybody under turret anyway?

It will make teamfights more interesting and positioning more important for ryze. He'll have to put himself in danger to spam, and won't be as much of an unstoppable rolfstomp machine later on. i actually like the changes.

Honestly they just want to make his in game character match the cinematic character
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
July 22 2013 23:25 GMT
#3875
BLizzard scheduling WCS finals same date as TI3? Hehe Riot in the corner laughing as both knock out themselves.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 23:30:00
July 22 2013 23:29 GMT
#3876
On July 23 2013 08:25 AsnSensation wrote:
BLizzard scheduling WCS finals same date as TI3? Hehe Riot in the corner laughing as both knock out themselves.

There's so much rage in r/SC about the tournament overlap.

I just realized from that thread too, that Riot decided to have a week off for LCS (most likely due to TI3).

hue

Edit: and yeah, top thread in r/Dota2 is also the same thing, l0l. Time to read that one now too.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
July 22 2013 23:33 GMT
#3877
On July 23 2013 08:20 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 05:35 Phunkapotamus wrote:
The new Spellbreaker item seems like a "Garen/Trynd/Gangplank" only item. It's melee-only- so what melee champs care about crit? If you don't care about crit I expect Maw to be better if you need that MR slot. I suppose it'd be good for Tankier champs that want to go boots other than Merc Treads.

It would depend on the numbers but I doubt it'll be cost effective given how cost ineffective crit is. Maybe if you sat on avarice blade for a long time.

Yeah I really don't get what the crit is doing on this item. I don't even understand who it's aimed at.

Theoretically, if you forbid the one class that cares about crit from getting the item (marksmen), then you can make the crit really efficient without breaking the game in some other way.
BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 23:41:42
July 22 2013 23:34 GMT
#3878
On July 23 2013 08:20 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 05:35 Phunkapotamus wrote:
The new Spellbreaker item seems like a "Garen/Trynd/Gangplank" only item. It's melee-only- so what melee champs care about crit? If you don't care about crit I expect Maw to be better if you need that MR slot. I suppose it'd be good for Tankier champs that want to go boots other than Merc Treads.

It would depend on the numbers but I doubt it'll be cost effective given how cost ineffective crit is. Maybe if you sat on avarice blade for a long time.

Yeah I really don't get what the crit is doing on this item. I don't even understand who it's aimed at.


Is the crit worse than the extra AD from Maw, considering the cost difference of the items? Seems like it could be a cost-effective alternative to Maw for aa-bruisers.

or what about some kind of crit-bruiser build, with items like spellbreaker/atma's/youmuu's. Also getting spellbreaker allows you to possibly get berserker greaves and still have tenacity.
next week on Everybody Loves HypnoToad:
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 22 2013 23:34 GMT
#3879
Would totally watch TI3 above WCS if I had the time.

Req keep streaming for a while I can't watch for another half hour or so.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
July 22 2013 23:35 GMT
#3880
Req if you stream for another hour or two I'll send you my viewers.
The legend of Darien lives on
Prev 1 192 193 194 195 196 339 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Epic.LAN
13:00
Epic.LAN 48 Group Stage
Liquipedia
CrankTV Team League
11:00
Crank Gathers S4: Group Stage
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RushiSC 38
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 8021
Rain 2406
GuemChi 2113
Sea 1882
Jaedong 1285
EffOrt 663
Hyuk 547
firebathero 340
Snow 319
Mini 296
[ Show more ]
BeSt 289
Rush 236
Stork 208
ggaemo 192
Larva 150
Zeus 116
ZerO 114
Dewaltoss 98
Hyun 83
hero 67
Free 54
sorry 48
Mong 44
soO 40
Sharp 38
scan(afreeca) 36
Terrorterran 33
Barracks 32
JYJ 30
ToSsGirL 25
Sexy 24
ajuk12(nOOB) 20
NaDa 19
Hm[arnc] 18
Rock 16
Bale 16
yabsab 14
Noble 12
Sacsri 12
IntoTheRainbow 12
Yoon 10
Icarus 10
Purpose 8
Dota 2
Gorgc8656
syndereN233
League of Legends
Doublelift2873
Counter-Strike
byalli820
allub206
kRYSTAL_12
Other Games
singsing1798
hiko823
B2W.Neo721
Lowko412
crisheroes331
DeMusliM264
XaKoH 194
ToD140
Liquid`VortiX139
QueenE54
Rex21
Trikslyr15
ZerO(Twitch)11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2526
StarCraft 2
WardiTV851
Other Games
BasetradeTV206
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• escodisco4223
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1175
League of Legends
• Jankos3340
• TFBlade825
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
1h 27m
SHIN vs Elazer
Percival vs Nicoract
Reynor vs Lambo
Replay Cast
9h 27m
RSL Revival
18h 27m
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
19h 27m
Epic.LAN
22h 27m
IPSL
1d 1h
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
1d 18h
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 19h
OSC
1d 22h
IPSL
2 days
Bonyth vs Ret
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-13
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Escore Tournament S3: W3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.