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On July 23 2013 04:59 TheYango wrote:
Riot's changes to Ryze's cast ranges reflect once again how they underestimate the impact of autoattack/spell range changes. In many past cases, this has resulted in absolutely gutting a champion's early game laning ability when the ostensible goal of the change is to address lategame teamfighting.
This appears to be another case of this.
Just the 25 range change to kennen made him unplayable for a year.
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On July 23 2013 04:55 cLutZ wrote:Why is that Hexdrinker upgrade melle only? How unfun. Also those Elise changes are smart. She was a better towerdiver than Nunu and Udyr. Honestly she would be fine if they made it so spiderlings never took turret aggro. Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 04:25 Haiq343 wrote:
The jungle changes are just tweaks to make it so you can't actually do a camp as a duo-lane before heading off to bully someone with an exp advantage, and making invades slightly more of a decision. Currently you should basically always invade because if you can steal a (one of the initial) buff creep, you can more or less remove the enemy jungler from the game. How does this make invades less strong? Doesn't it make them even stronger because there is nothing else for your team do be doing?
invades will reward whichever team is able to successfully secure the buff camp, whereas previously getting the buff is all that mattered. so drivebysteals are somewhat nerfed and now there's more of an incentive to commit to invades in order to give the jungler space to hit level 2
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As for the exp change on buffs, you can still hit lvl 2 from the big guys if you get 7.7% increased EXP....
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that's 280 / 260
which is (experience required to hit lvl 2) / (experience big buffs given now)
interestingly the absorption ratio @ 280 nm / 260 nm is an important ratio for determining DNA and RNA purity
:D
Utility Junger (AKA Nunu) (5%) + 2 Exp quints (4%)
Or just Zilean (8%)
Would do the trick.
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On July 23 2013 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 04:59 TheYango wrote:
Riot's changes to Ryze's cast ranges reflect once again how they underestimate the impact of autoattack/spell range changes. In many past cases, this has resulted in absolutely gutting a champion's early game laning ability when the ostensible goal of the change is to address lategame teamfighting.
This appears to be another case of this. Just the 25 range change to kennen made him unplayable for a year.
clearly not true and one of the best examples of bandwagoning.
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Also, Riot still hasn't reverted the archaic shared lane creep XP bonus.
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On July 23 2013 04:59 Clinic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 04:55 cLutZ wrote:Why is that Hexdrinker upgrade melle only? How unfun. Also those Elise changes are smart. She was a better towerdiver than Nunu and Udyr. Honestly she would be fine if they made it so spiderlings never took turret aggro. On July 23 2013 04:25 Haiq343 wrote:
The jungle changes are just tweaks to make it so you can't actually do a camp as a duo-lane before heading off to bully someone with an exp advantage, and making invades slightly more of a decision. Currently you should basically always invade because if you can steal a (one of the initial) buff creep, you can more or less remove the enemy jungler from the game. How does this make invades less strong? Doesn't it make them even stronger because there is nothing else for your team do be doing? invades will reward whichever team is able to successfully secure the buff camp, whereas previously getting the buff is all that mattered. so drivebysteals are somewhat nerfed and now there's more of an incentive to commit to invades in order to give the jungler space to hit level 2
Ahh. So this is really just a YOLOQ change. Honestly, to make pro games more fun, Fog of war should be toggled off for a few seconds at like 1:00 and 1:30. Hilarity ensues.
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On July 23 2013 05:02 ItsFunToLose wrote:
clearly not true and one of the best examples of bandwagoning.
Kennen's different though because the changes WERE directly aimed at his laning.
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On July 23 2013 05:01 JimmiC wrote:
New key jungler comments "help with blue please. Don't attack the minions pls"
Yay it'll be like Season 2 all over again, because that was fun! No wait, that sucked.... what?
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is kennen a pre6 lane bully in his current state?
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seems like no need to ban ryze and elise anymore that change on rappel is friggin huuuge.
also did I get that right if I somehow manage to kill one of the small lizards, the enemy jungler won't hit lvl 2? champs like ahri or nid np...,
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On July 23 2013 05:06 Clinic wrote:
is kennen a pre6 lane bully in his current state?
Against melees, yeah for the most part.
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On July 23 2013 05:06 AsnSensation wrote:
also did I get that right if I somehow manage to kill one of the small lizards, the enemy jungler won't hit lvl 2? champs like ahri or nid np...,
XP required for level 2 is 280 and the XP on the buff camps is 260+50+50. You need to snipe both Lizards for that to happen.
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On July 23 2013 05:06 AsnSensation wrote:
seems like no need to ban ryze and elise anymore that change on rappel is friggin huuuge.
also did I get that right if I somehow manage to kill one of the small lizards, the enemy jungler won't hit lvl 2? champs like ahri or nid np...,
If they kill them while you're not in XP range then maybe (then what are you doing?!).
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On July 23 2013 04:25 wei2coolman wrote:
Frozen Heart changes, dunno if cost changes will fix anything. The only person who buys it is Ryze.
I buy it on Trundle and occasionally Nasus. :>
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On July 23 2013 05:09 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 05:06 AsnSensation wrote:
also did I get that right if I somehow manage to kill one of the small lizards, the enemy jungler won't hit lvl 2? champs like ahri or nid np..., XP required for level 2 is 280 and the XP on the buff camps is 260+50+50. You need to snipe both Lizards for that to happen.
makes sense thx.
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calling Kennen bandwagon is pretty unfair, making his ult cost no energy was a pretty massive buff. Previously if you had to E to get good positioning, and couldn't clip a champion before hitting R you could not follow up with W, now you can.
yet people continuously say that people didn't play him only because pros didn't. This happens (it will always happen with 115+ champions) but Kennen is a poor example.
also Frozen Heart is a super good item on cho as well, it's a really good item it's just not super useful vs popular picks (rare to have 2 or more auto attackers on the opposing team)
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Kennen had above average auto range before (575 vs 550), so he absolutely murdered most melee champs and had an advantage over other ranged champs. As it is, he still has a 1k range poke and is still really strong.
Also, Vayne has 550 range? I thought she had less, dafuq.
Not sure how I feel about the Thresh change. I almost want to say it makes him stronger.
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On July 23 2013 05:02 ItsFunToLose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:On July 23 2013 04:59 TheYango wrote:
Riot's changes to Ryze's cast ranges reflect once again how they underestimate the impact of autoattack/spell range changes. In many past cases, this has resulted in absolutely gutting a champion's early game laning ability when the ostensible goal of the change is to address lategame teamfighting.
This appears to be another case of this. Just the 25 range change to kennen made him unplayable for a year. clearly not true and one of the best examples of bandwagoning.
The recent resurgence of Kennen wasn't random, changing his ult to cost 0 Energy helped a ton.
Edit:Ninja'd on this one.
On July 23 2013 05:18 ticklishmusic wrote:
Kennen had above average auto range before (575 vs 550), so he absolutely murdered most melee champs and had an advantage over other ranged champs. As it is, he still has a 1k range poke and is still really strong.
Also, Vayne has 550 range? I thought she had less, dafuq.
Not sure how I feel about the Thresh change. I almost want to say it makes him stronger.
It seems short because she literally has no other ability that goes farther than 550. ADCs with the same range or shorter have at least one ability that extends past that range.
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I don't remember who it was that said it but SIvir's entire kit is basically aimed at creating space for herself, and it's true if you really think about it.
Sivir's damage is fairly high, I honestly think of auto attack tops were good at all right now she would be a viable pick.
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