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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 18 2013 18:24 GMT
#2741
Primarily Marksman, secondarily Mage, yeah. As they said, "marksman" is not about multiplicative scaling, but reliance on ranged autoattacks and positioning.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 18:31:51
July 18 2013 18:30 GMT
#2742
The concept of "markmen" isn't so bad. The idea is to shift labels away from meta-spawned labels since the meta is an unreliable base. Imagine a scenario where champs like vayne or kog didn't carry anymore. Labeling them as ADC in the game would be dumb. In the context of shoutcasting, I think casters should still refer to champs by their meta role. Just from a game design perspective, the "change" makes sense. Also teemo and kayle's playstyle and kit has more in common with caitlin than with annie.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 18:33:37
July 18 2013 18:32 GMT
#2743
On July 19 2013 02:50 Clinic wrote:
Mages with 6 items do more damage with spells than with their auto attacks

Actually most mages probably still scale better with auto attacks with 6 item adc build than ap. Anyways my original statement was more to point out that it's not that adc's don't scale with cdr more so they outscale with auto attacks.
liftlift > tsm
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 18:36:00
July 18 2013 18:34 GMT
#2744
On July 19 2013 03:32 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 02:50 Clinic wrote:
Mages with 6 items do more damage with spells than with their auto attacks

Actually most mages probably still scale better with auto attacks with 6 item adc build than ap. Anyways my original statement was more to point out that it's not that marksmen's don't scale with cdr more so they outscale with auto attacks.


Hey guys am I doing it right?!?!?!

EDIT: I feel so gross doing that... Anyways! Last day at my current job and starting my new one on monday. But I gotta move towns for it
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 18 2013 18:35 GMT
#2745
On July 19 2013 03:34 Shelke14 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 03:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 19 2013 02:50 Clinic wrote:
Mages with 6 items do more damage with spells than with their auto attacks

Actually most mages probably still scale better with auto attacks with 6 item adc build than ap. Anyways my original statement was more to point out that it's not that marksmen's don't scale with cdr more so they outscale with auto attacks.


Hey guys am I doing it right?!?!?!

I refuse to use riot's new buzzword.
liftlift > tsm
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 18 2013 18:36 GMT
#2746
On July 19 2013 03:35 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 03:34 Shelke14 wrote:
On July 19 2013 03:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 19 2013 02:50 Clinic wrote:
Mages with 6 items do more damage with spells than with their auto attacks

Actually most mages probably still scale better with auto attacks with 6 item adc build than ap. Anyways my original statement was more to point out that it's not that marksmen's don't scale with cdr more so they outscale with auto attacks.


Hey guys am I doing it right?!?!?!

I refuse to use riot's new buzzword.

then you're way off the mark


...man
It's your boy Guzma!
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
July 18 2013 18:38 GMT
#2747
who is mark and why does he have so many men
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
July 18 2013 18:39 GMT
#2748
OH YEAH I forgot, I went marksmen Lux last night and didnt report the results... Went 4-8-6 on her in a game and three teammates went 1-10... End of the game "Next time don't fucking ADC lux"
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
July 18 2013 18:39 GMT
#2749
On July 19 2013 03:38 Clinic wrote:
who is mark and why does he have so many men


Clever xD
Jaedong :3
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
July 18 2013 18:47 GMT
#2750
Hey, has anyone who has a PBE account tried out TF's new passive? Given that it's still called "Loaded Dice" it'd be a funny move if it said it adds 1-6 gold to each kill but actually adds 6 gold every time :D
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
July 18 2013 18:47 GMT
#2751
On July 19 2013 03:39 Shelke14 wrote:
OH YEAH I forgot, I went marksmen Lux last night and didnt report the results... Went 4-8-6 on her in a game and three teammates went 1-10... End of the game "Next time don't fucking ADC lux"

soloq <3
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 18 2013 18:54 GMT
#2752
On July 19 2013 03:39 Shelke14 wrote:
OH YEAH I forgot, I went marksmen Lux last night and didnt report the results... Went 4-8-6 on her in a game and three teammates went 1-10... End of the game "Next time don't fucking ADC lux"

Did you say you wernt adc lux you were marksmen lux?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 18 2013 18:55 GMT
#2753
On July 19 2013 03:23 ReketSomething wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 03:21 thenexusp wrote:
So, any bets on what they tag Teemo after the tag rework?

Marksman Mage?


They already said he is tagged with both Marksman and Mage.


He's a marksmage. Or a marked mage. Or a fucking yordle.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 18 2013 18:58 GMT
#2754
On July 19 2013 03:47 thenexusp wrote:
Hey, has anyone who has a PBE account tried out TF's new passive? Given that it's still called "Loaded Dice" it'd be a funny move if it said it adds 1-6 gold to each kill but actually adds 6 gold every time :D


If true, that would still be less teamwide gold (probably) than the old passive.
Freeeeeeedom
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 19:06:32
July 18 2013 19:01 GMT
#2755
Since we were talking about wriggles earlier, here's a list of it's issues I see people talking about/have been thinking about, both real and perceived:

1) The intended role, high damage non-fighter ad with a desire for utility and sustain but no immediate need for durability, has become niche to start with, so when the item gives up use % the inclination is to perceive it as pointless.
2) The item's direct competition, primarily spirit stone items and botrk/cutlass are among the strongest options in the game.
3) The utility portion also has significant redundancy with sight stones all over the place, especially since the 90 second ward active is relatively terrible. I can't stress enough how much it sucks having to micromanage your miniward. It's just not fun feeling burdened by it.
4) Vamp scepter is such a late buy that it's possible heroes that really need it simply aren't jungling. unless you think it better to stick with the base machete (which seems to bring the role of razors into question) counting potions and with no wards you can expect your first 1700 gold to include zero lifesteal.
5) No late game buildup, although as a lifesteal item it does have built in scaling. The slot efficiency was recently increased but this really only seems to highlight how much more significant 'real' major items like botrk are comparison.
6) Item is desperately understatted for a 2k gold buy, and the utility is nowhere near as impressive as the deficit seems to imply.
7) Lack of strong melee carry itemization that doesn't use a vamp scepter. What does buying wriggles lead into? Triforce, ghostblade? These are not tier one options. Currently wriggles has to be good enough to persuade you to buy a bad item next.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 19:09:34
July 18 2013 19:06 GMT
#2756
Lets make wriggles give out 2 wards at a time like sightstone!

edit: or what if it built out of sightstone O_O (instead of vamp, or maybe with vamp too). Better slot efficency!
Jaedong :3
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
July 18 2013 19:06 GMT
#2757
Shoulda went battlemage lux.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 18 2013 19:07 GMT
#2758
On July 19 2013 04:06 ReketSomething wrote:
Lets make wriggles give out 2 wards at a time like sightstone!

Change it from a ward to CV. Junglers end up buying wards anyway, except in solo queue but they never use the ward active in the first place.
It's your boy Guzma!
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
July 18 2013 19:23 GMT
#2759
On July 19 2013 04:06 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Shoulda went battlemage lux.

I like to think of my lux play as mark wahlberg from the movie sniper.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
July 18 2013 19:43 GMT
#2760
when should you have the use movement prediction option checked?
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