EPT[Patch 3.09: Spirit Guard Udyr Patch] General Discussion -…
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Seuss
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 19 2013 04:49 Seuss wrote: The problem with Wriggle's is that tries to be too many things at once. It's a vestige of an era where there was only one jungle item, so it had to work for everybody. It basically needs to be removed and replaced with something specifically designed to address what the other jungle items don't. Which is what? Lifesteal? I think people are looking at this the wrong way. The problem with wriggles is that the purpose of wriggles (sustain and clear in the jungle) is irrelevant for junglers by the time they build it. Its even too late for the mildly interesting idea of a 1 man dragon. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
On July 19 2013 04:43 Frolossus wrote: when should you have the use movement prediction option checked? When your ping is excessive and you experience severe tearing in champion positioning. | ||
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lefty
United States1896 Posts
On July 19 2013 01:25 GTR wrote: I find it quite funny that the top solo queue players on Korea are Mata and Marin (SKT sub). Can't wait for players to pop up like Oscar, Hazard and Lampard -_- SKT1 Marin's name is not derived from Marko Marin, he was known as Marin from his Chaos days. | ||
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Eppa!
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Mauzel
United States421 Posts
now he's stuck with lee ogod. has this happened to anybody? | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On July 19 2013 04:56 cLutZ wrote: Which is what? Lifesteal? I think people are looking at this the wrong way. The problem with wriggles is that the purpose of wriggles (sustain and clear in the jungle) is irrelevant for junglers by the time they build it. Its even too late for the mildly interesting idea of a 1 man dragon. I don't think people are looking at this the wrong way, just different angles. The common thread being "Wriggle's is a terrible item". The champions that don't like the Spirit Stone items tend to be auto-attack-centric AD champions, and often don't have mana. Spirit of the Lizard Elder isn't great on them because most of its itemization is only tangentially useful to them. Wriggle's is terrible because it's not a self-sufficient offense or defense item, while at the same time lacking synergy with other offense and defense items ("Wriggle's is a terrible item"). Basically, they need a cheaper Youmuu's Ghostblade. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 19 2013 06:41 Mauzel wrote: wf just started a game where I picked support for a guy and he picked jungle for me but trade button does not work. now he's stuck with lee ogod. has this happened to anybody? Yup, had it one or two days ago. Dunno if it's trading in general or the same old bug where if both people try to initiate the swap the UI tells each the other one is already busy swapping, and none can do it. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
But what is the point of clear speed + sustain, when clear speed and sustain are fairly irrelevant after you back the first time? | ||
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upperbound
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UniversalSnip
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Kenpachi
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On July 19 2013 06:43 Seuss wrote: I don't think people are looking at this the wrong way, just different angles. The common thread being "Wriggle's is a terrible item". The champions that don't like the Spirit Stone items tend to be auto-attack-centric AD champions, and often don't have mana. Spirit of the Lizard Elder isn't great on them because most of its itemization is only tangentially useful to them. Wriggle's is terrible because it's not a self-sufficient offense or defense item, while at the same time lacking synergy with other offense and defense items ("Wriggle's is a terrible item"). Basically, they need a cheaper Youmuu's Ghostblade. Perhaps it could be an item that assists in ganks, and have Spiritstone be something better on farming oriented junglers. Whatever it is, it's still a crappy item right now. I don't know why you'd take Wriggles over anything on the Spiritstone side. | ||
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Anakko
France1934 Posts
Wriggles is not a good item, but golem spirit is just op right now, which also plays a role. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
- Remove wriggles - Remove ghostblade - Razors + longsword + recipe = youmuu's wakizashi youmuu's wakizashi: Damage bonus vs monsters Flat life on hit +AD Ghostblade active | ||
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Anakko
France1934 Posts
On July 19 2013 07:12 UniversalSnip wrote: - Razors now gives flat life on hit - Remove wriggles - Remove ghostblade - Razors + longsword + recipe = youmuu's wakizashi youmuu's wakizashi: Damage bonus vs monsters Flat life on hit +AD Ghostblade active I'd buy that. Oh and also remove tenacity from golem spirit (or am i going too far?) | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
Why not Youmuu's Shuriken, or Kunai, or Kama, or even the War Fan, that's pretty cool... | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On July 19 2013 07:08 Anakko wrote: idk. Now, even autoattack centric AD champions just pick golem spirit cos it's just too good not to (jarvan, nocturne, vi, even non-mana like zac or mundo that are less reliant on autoatk) Wriggles is not a good item, but golem spirit is just op right now, which also plays a role. I disagree on it being a good item. If Riot just up and removed Spirit Stone and all the shit it build out of tomorrow I'd just go back to sitting on a Madred's all game. Wriggles gives you a bunch of stats you don't care about (aside for armor), a luckluster active (the 1 min ward), and a decent passive (good vs Baron/Drag, overkill vs other camps). It's an item that fixes a hole for junglers that has not existed since Season 2. Lifesteal and AD is no longer necessary mid to late game as once you get Ancient Golem/Tabi or even Madred's/Tabi you just stop taking damage from the jungle, and the little you do you will heal off from killing the camp leader. The AD is no longer needed to kill the whole camp easier, as the small shit just dies from the aoe on your skills anyways. It needs a major rework imo, re adapt it to the S3 jungle. Would be cool to have it's active to be like a mini short ranged cv, so you can use it to spot counterganks on the fly or something. Idk if that would be any good, just a random thought. Any way you look at it however, lifesteal is pretty pointless in this version of the S3 jungle. I have had a long standing theory that junglers would eventually start building Sightstone eventually, using it as a psudeo-HoG (RIP). Saw both junglers in an OGN game last night run them, so if that starts happening, the ward passive becomes 100% useless, even on Lee Sin. On July 19 2013 04:49 Seuss wrote: The problem with Wriggle's is that tries to be too many things at once. It's a vestige of an era where there was only one jungle item, so it had to work for everybody. It basically needs to be removed and replaced with something specifically designed to address what the other jungle items don't. This too, well said. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On July 19 2013 07:23 kainzero wrote: Oh, so you want to put another sword in the game? Why not Youmuu's Shuriken, or Kunai, or Kama, or even the War Fan, that's pretty cool... Everything is a sword or weapon. One day Yango went and compared the items between LoL and Dota and and came to the conclusion Dota is the superior game because it has much more item diversity in terms of not weapons. LoL only has like four helms, wtf is up with that? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 19 2013 07:08 Anakko wrote: idk. Now, even autoattack centric AD champions just pick golem spirit cos it's just too good not to (jarvan, nocturne, vi, even non-mana like zac or mundo that are less reliant on autoatk) Wriggles is not a good item, but golem spirit is just op right now, which also plays a role. Vi doesn't autoattack, she Qs in for a third of the camp's health, uses an aa as the medium for her E to clear the small fries, then for W to burn through the remaining third. Madred's proc really would only be a marginal part of her damage if she picked it up. On July 19 2013 07:23 kainzero wrote: Oh, so you want to put another sword in the game? Why not Youmuu's Shuriken, or Kunai, or Kama, or even the War Fan, that's pretty cool... Do you even Touhou? | ||
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