On July 19 2013 07:23 kainzero wrote:
Oh, so you want to put another sword in the game?

Why not Youmuu's Shuriken, or Kunai, or Kama, or even the War Fan, that's pretty cool...

cuz youmuu doesn't use a shuriken homie

or so google informs me

sob3k

United States7572 Posts

July 18 2013 22:31 GMT

#2782

On July 19 2013 03:47 thenexusp wrote:
Hey, has anyone who has a PBE account tried out TF's new passive? Given that it's still called "Loaded Dice" it'd be a funny move if it said it adds 1-6 gold to each kill but actually adds 6 gold every time :D

They tested it on reddit and it gives 4 gold average per kill, when it should give 3.5 if "unloaded".

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

July 18 2013 22:36 GMT

#2783

On July 19 2013 07:26 onlywonderboy wrote:

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Everything is a sword or weapon. One day Yango went and compared the items between LoL and Dota and and came to the conclusion Dota is the superior game because it has much more item diversity in terms of not weapons. LoL only has like four helms, wtf is up with that?

There are 23 blade type weapons by my count. Polearms, axes, blunt, fist type and ranged could all use some more loving.

I really like that idea of putting ghostblade active onto wriggles(or whatever it's going to be called). Allows you to take some of the cost and stats off of wriggles, and still have it be a very useful item for a jungler. Wriggles was intended to be built on auto-attack reliant junglers, so why not encourage it. I'd really like for the active to be a tier 1 item(ideally like a weakened version of the buff on madreds, possibly up to cost of madreds to 1050 total, with a machete, LS, cloth and 50g), and then put the level 2 version of the buff onto the upgrade.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

July 18 2013 22:42 GMT

#2784

If we're talking about item types, there needs to be more headgear and gloves.

There are only 2 types of gloves--Brawler's and Iceborn, 3 if you count the X-Man Claws.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

July 18 2013 22:43 GMT

#2785

I already get enough people trying to convince me that because Vi already has powerfists, she should wears Gauntlet over it. >_>

Zess

Adun Toridas!9144 Posts

July 18 2013 22:45 GMT

#2786

Madreds + 2x Longsword to combine for 6% CDR and 10 ArPen on top of base components

I mean when Lee Sin starts dblade or goes spirit stone, you know Madreds is in a really useless spot

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

July 18 2013 22:50 GMT

#2787

apparently wriggle is also a touhou character who... controls insects. so unless you wanna do that or swords it's going to need a completely new name. I think youmuu's wakizashi is fine.

Anakko

France1934 Posts

July 18 2013 22:52 GMT

#2788

Wriggle is pretty bad in touhou too, so actually the item sucking kinda make sense XD

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

July 18 2013 23:18 GMT

#2789

People wouldn't even build Spirit stone (even though its technically gold efficient without the passive) if its upgrades were not so cost efficient and good. This is what we all TRIED to tell Riot when they invented Machete.

SO wriggles needs to gain like 400-600 gold of stats that people want to be even remotely plausible as an item. In other words, laners need to be pondering it as an option, or else its stupid.

Diamond

United States10796 Posts

July 18 2013 23:18 GMT

#2790

On July 19 2013 08:18 cLutZ wrote:
People wouldn't even build Spirit stone (even though its technically gold efficient without the passive) if its upgrades were not so cost efficient and good. This is what we all TRIED to tell Riot when they invented Machete.

SO wriggles needs to gain like 400-600 gold of stats that people want to be even remotely plausible as an item. In other words, laners need to be pondering it as an option, or else its stupid.

It doesn't work on lane creeps, it's just bad.

sylverfyre

United States8298 Posts

July 18 2013 23:21 GMT

#2791

"Cost Efficient" when you're talking about regen stats is not actually cost efficient. Regen stats drop off harder than anything else, and they also are given "for free" on item upgrades more than any other type of stat.

That said, you're right. If Wriggles is not a cost-efficient pile of cheap stats, AND is a pile of stats that MAKES SENSE, nobody will buy it. Right now it suffers as much from the "combination of stats that make sense" as much as it does from not being cost-efficient enough.

ShaLLoW[baY]

Canada12499 Posts

July 18 2013 23:22 GMT

#2792

On July 19 2013 06:41 Mauzel wrote:
wf just started a game where I picked support for a guy and he picked jungle for me but trade button does not work.

now he's stuck with lee ogod.

has this happened to anybody?

happened to me yesterday, i posted it in here, luckily i somehow beat ahri mid with janna

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

July 18 2013 23:30 GMT

#2793

On July 19 2013 08:21 sylverfyre wrote:

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I think people would buy an item with 15% Life Steal, 40 Armor, and 40 AD for 2k gold.

upperbound

United States2300 Posts

July 18 2013 23:30 GMT

#2794

I suck wrong thread again, Wriggles needs to be replaced.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

July 18 2013 23:31 GMT

#2795

The thing is, for most junglers, buying lifesteal is just a regen stat because they don't get enough damage for it to turn into a combat stat like it does on ADCs.

TBH this is the problem that has always plagued the item. ADCs and bruisers buy enough damage for lifesteal to be a combat stat so fundamentally that stat mix is better for a laner. So any iteration of Wriggles that was good for junglers was too good for laners.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

July 18 2013 23:39 GMT

#2796

On July 19 2013 08:31 TheYango wrote:
The thing is, for most junglers, buying lifesteal is just a regen stat because they don't get enough damage for it to turn into a combat stat like it does on ADCs.

TBH this is the problem that has always plagued the item. ADCs and bruisers buy enough damage for lifesteal to be a combat stat so fundamentally that stat mix is better for a laner. So any iteration of Wriggles that was good for junglers was too good for laners.

We could take down the LS, and rebalance it into more armor. The point I was trying to make, is that if laners never buy it, junglers never will either, because after the first clear + ganks into cleaning up a few camps before backing, there really isn't anything special that a jungler needs.

kainzero

United States5211 Posts

July 18 2013 23:49 GMT

#2797

On July 19 2013 07:29 Alaric wrote:
Do you even Touhou?

I played the first two Touhou games because I heard that they were good bullet hell games.

Several years later it became the phenomenon it is now. Meanwhile, I'm still screaming profanities at Gradius 2.

I always assumed that the names of items and characters were based off of employees first. Youmuu would probably refer to some dude named Youmuu that works there, then it would incidentally be related to Touhou, probably. At least, that's what I thought...

arnath

United States1317 Posts

July 18 2013 23:50 GMT

#2798

Does the Muramana passive (mana to damage) work on Jayce's Shock Blast?

Dark_Chill

Canada3353 Posts

July 18 2013 23:50 GMT

#2799

With all the efficiency talk, I went and looked again at the gold-efficiency on some stats. It's weird to see some stuff normalized, and other things not. Mr and armor on the second level base items are pretty good, but other things are just pretty bad. Giant's belt seems so inappropriately priced when I see the gold value. Also, shouldn't AP be more cost efficient than AD, considering how AD works with several different stats to be good?