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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
June 15 2013 18:57 GMT
#1401
I need a new duo buddy.

I was having so much fun till summer vacation started, and now I can't stand it. Too many little kids playing, stresses me the fuck out.

I need somebody I can QQ with.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
June 15 2013 19:05 GMT
#1402
On June 15 2013 20:12 justiceknight wrote:
currently watching GPL and since yesterday TPA start role swapping i feel like they kinda give up lol

taken from another website:

they won the first season already. There is not a need for them to win in second season due to gpl format. They still have to compete a final round against the winner in the second season. Even if they win 1st place in second season, they still have to compete against the second place in the second season.
So, now they are trying the new things, and what's better to have pro teams practice against.
So just need to wait for the Final.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 15 2013 19:22 GMT
#1403
On June 16 2013 03:57 Ketara wrote:
I need a new duo buddy.

I was having so much fun till summer vacation started, and now I can't stand it. Too many little kids playing, stresses me the fuck out.

I need somebody I can QQ with.

I'll duo with you later tonight if you're around.
I can only stand so much ARAM. Just know I'll be even shittier than usual due to computer and whatnot.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
June 15 2013 19:28 GMT
#1404
On June 16 2013 02:12 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 00:53 Dark_Chill wrote:
"Considering that the entire sustain problem is entirely based entirely on laning I fail to see how this matters.
Someone sustaining in team fights is fine, it becomes a problem when one person has lane sustain and the other doesn't, so the non sustainer could never hope to win a fight or both sustain and it just turns into a boring farm fest."
I don't know if I agree that life sustain in teamfights is always alright. Seems to me like too much sustain on someone who's really hard to take down is really bad in teamfights, unless they don't do all that much in teamfights.
I don't even agree with too much sustain is a problem in lane. Since it's not burst healing, ganking won't allow sustain to play much of a factor. It's like saying that champs with good laning phases are bad because the champs with bad laning phases can't win, so it either turns into a farmfest or aggression on the part of the good laner.


Who even said that?


It was a guy from the thread about how Irelia was badly designed but Aatrox isn't.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 15 2013 19:43 GMT
#1405
On June 16 2013 04:28 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 02:12 cLutZ wrote:
On June 16 2013 00:53 Dark_Chill wrote:
"Considering that the entire sustain problem is entirely based entirely on laning I fail to see how this matters.
Someone sustaining in team fights is fine, it becomes a problem when one person has lane sustain and the other doesn't, so the non sustainer could never hope to win a fight or both sustain and it just turns into a boring farm fest."
I don't know if I agree that life sustain in teamfights is always alright. Seems to me like too much sustain on someone who's really hard to take down is really bad in teamfights, unless they don't do all that much in teamfights.
I don't even agree with too much sustain is a problem in lane. Since it's not burst healing, ganking won't allow sustain to play much of a factor. It's like saying that champs with good laning phases are bad because the champs with bad laning phases can't win, so it either turns into a farmfest or aggression on the part of the good laner.


Who even said that?


It was a guy from the thread about how Irelia was badly designed but Aatrox isn't.


Ahh. The fact is that Aatrox is much more poorly designed than Irelia, so IDK what that guy is talking about.
Freeeeeeedom
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
June 15 2013 19:44 GMT
#1406
On June 16 2013 04:43 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 04:28 Dark_Chill wrote:
On June 16 2013 02:12 cLutZ wrote:
On June 16 2013 00:53 Dark_Chill wrote:
"Considering that the entire sustain problem is entirely based entirely on laning I fail to see how this matters.
Someone sustaining in team fights is fine, it becomes a problem when one person has lane sustain and the other doesn't, so the non sustainer could never hope to win a fight or both sustain and it just turns into a boring farm fest."
I don't know if I agree that life sustain in teamfights is always alright. Seems to me like too much sustain on someone who's really hard to take down is really bad in teamfights, unless they don't do all that much in teamfights.
I don't even agree with too much sustain is a problem in lane. Since it's not burst healing, ganking won't allow sustain to play much of a factor. It's like saying that champs with good laning phases are bad because the champs with bad laning phases can't win, so it either turns into a farmfest or aggression on the part of the good laner.


Who even said that?


It was a guy from the thread about how Irelia was badly designed but Aatrox isn't.


Ahh. The fact is that Aatrox is much more poorly designed than Irelia, so IDK what that guy is talking about.

Try telling that to Morello.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
June 15 2013 19:44 GMT
#1407
On June 16 2013 03:57 Ketara wrote:
I need a new duo buddy.

I was having so much fun till summer vacation started, and now I can't stand it. Too many little kids playing, stresses me the fuck out.

I need somebody I can QQ with.


I offered, but you snubbed me!
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 15 2013 20:00 GMT
#1408
On June 16 2013 04:44 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 04:43 cLutZ wrote:
On June 16 2013 04:28 Dark_Chill wrote:
On June 16 2013 02:12 cLutZ wrote:
On June 16 2013 00:53 Dark_Chill wrote:
"Considering that the entire sustain problem is entirely based entirely on laning I fail to see how this matters.
Someone sustaining in team fights is fine, it becomes a problem when one person has lane sustain and the other doesn't, so the non sustainer could never hope to win a fight or both sustain and it just turns into a boring farm fest."
I don't know if I agree that life sustain in teamfights is always alright. Seems to me like too much sustain on someone who's really hard to take down is really bad in teamfights, unless they don't do all that much in teamfights.
I don't even agree with too much sustain is a problem in lane. Since it's not burst healing, ganking won't allow sustain to play much of a factor. It's like saying that champs with good laning phases are bad because the champs with bad laning phases can't win, so it either turns into a farmfest or aggression on the part of the good laner.


Who even said that?


It was a guy from the thread about how Irelia was badly designed but Aatrox isn't.


Ahh. The fact is that Aatrox is much more poorly designed than Irelia, so IDK what that guy is talking about.

Try telling that to Morello.


I did. He told me manaless melle champs are fine. Then I asked which manaless melle champs were fine, cited Rengar, Zed, Shen, on one end, and Garen/Kat on the other, and got no response.
Freeeeeeedom
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 20:10:50
June 15 2013 20:10 GMT
#1409
Implying these champs aren't fine? I find all of the mentioned some of the most fun champion designs in the game.

well, apart from Garen, he is pretty bland Ill agree with that
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 20:17:55
June 15 2013 20:10 GMT
#1410
On June 15 2013 23:48 Ketara wrote:
I want to make a list of the absolute worst champions in the game that nobody in their right mind should ever play ever. Like the ones that are incredibly badly in need of reworks. What champs do you guys think fit this category?

Warwick and Poppy come to mind. Sion.

Shyvana maybe, in that Shyv isn't BAD but there are more modern junglers that do all the same things better.

AD Yi maybe?

Should be a fun topic.


okay, lets get a few things straight
poppy is situationally extremely broken but nobody plays her because of her laning phase and itsn ot easy to farm, so you can't call her bad because her ult and passive are so insane. lots of champs are never played and suddenly become op
AD yi is actually pretty strong or was if you play jungle ad yi and farm hard. Funny style bro no EUW mains ad jungle yi and is challenger i think

Warwick is really fucking underrated.
im 9-3 with him recently. He works in jungle (thanks to new madreds) he works in top lane. Fuck it he works in mid lane. Just because you don't play him doesn't mean he's bad. 3 ww games ago I went 11/1/19 from the jungle with warwick.

I get the feeling he's not that viable in super high level simply because having a dedicated interrupter for his ult might fuck him up pretty hard but aside from that he's 1 buff away from becoming top tier again.

I don't play sion, but i hear he's getting a rework so we'll forget about him for now

I can sum my argument up in 1 easy video


i might start playing poppy now. I already dunked the last fool who tried to say fiora was bad and probably never plays her either

garen was borderline OP until they nerfed his W stupid riot

oh, if you're wondering how to build warwick

dmg options
bilgewater//botrk --> use this for more sustain and catching fools top lane, botrk on hit procs for full dmg 5 times on your ult and starting with Q R to get your E up fast can let you chase squishies down in 1 combo. (vlad/kennen/teemo etc)
wits end --> standardly good dps item with mr, often from jungle
trinity force --> lol ur fucking fed

defensive options
locket --> cdr hp armour great
spirit visage --> cdr hp mr +%healing great, works with botrk well too
frozen heart//gauntlet --> mana is nice in lane (chalice vs magic dudes tho), both good upgrades
randuins omen --> standard anti fed ad item

jungle:
rush madreds and spirit stone -->spirit of the ancient golem + tabi + wits and rape everyone with low cd op ult

OH and shyvana should probably be played top lane like darien did when he was actually a dominant player
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 15 2013 20:13 GMT
#1411
On June 16 2013 03:05 NeoIllusions wrote:
Why Vlad? I mean Link did well with Vlad yesterday but Vlad is such a situational pick.
Not to mention Cris's play style is to utterly dominate kids from laning phase on. Vlad doesn't fit the bill imo.


I personally feel like vlad is better than a situational pick. Whenever kennen is strong, vlad is strong for similar or same reasons. Vlad will see a resurgence soon and I think he'd do well on our team. You are correct in saying that vlad isn't suited to normal Cris play but there's nothing wrong with expanding your style ^_^
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 15 2013 20:15 GMT
#1412
On June 16 2013 05:13 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 03:05 NeoIllusions wrote:
Why Vlad? I mean Link did well with Vlad yesterday but Vlad is such a situational pick.
Not to mention Cris's play style is to utterly dominate kids from laning phase on. Vlad doesn't fit the bill imo.


I personally feel like vlad is better than a situational pick. Whenever kennen is strong, vlad is strong for similar or same reasons. Vlad will see a resurgence soon and I think he'd do well on our team. You are correct in saying that vlad isn't suited to normal Cris play but there's nothing wrong with expanding your style ^_^

Tell him to make an account on TL and set up the stream on the side bar!

Also the Kennen v Vlad thing reminds me of Stanley cause of how he used to pick Kennen into Vlad and Vlad into Kennen back in S2.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 20:18:26
June 15 2013 20:18 GMT
#1413
thats because they're basically the same champ

one stuns one heals
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 15 2013 20:19 GMT
#1414
On June 16 2013 05:10 Scip wrote:
Implying these champs aren't fine? I find all of the mentioned some of the most fun champion designs in the game.

well, apart from Garen, he is pretty bland Ill agree with that


Funness is a fine argument. The fact is that those champs have never seen an extended duration of being strong competitive picks, but not picked at ridiculously high rates.

A good example of what I'm talking about would be Orianna, Zyra since her initial changes, Gragas, Malphite, Jax, and some of the AD carries/supports.
Freeeeeeedom
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 15 2013 20:20 GMT
#1415
On June 16 2013 05:15 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 05:13 gtrsrs wrote:
On June 16 2013 03:05 NeoIllusions wrote:
Why Vlad? I mean Link did well with Vlad yesterday but Vlad is such a situational pick.
Not to mention Cris's play style is to utterly dominate kids from laning phase on. Vlad doesn't fit the bill imo.


I personally feel like vlad is better than a situational pick. Whenever kennen is strong, vlad is strong for similar or same reasons. Vlad will see a resurgence soon and I think he'd do well on our team. You are correct in saying that vlad isn't suited to normal Cris play but there's nothing wrong with expanding your style ^_^

Tell him to make an account on TL and set up the stream on the side bar!

Also the Kennen v Vlad thing reminds me of Stanley cause of how he used to pick Kennen into Vlad and Vlad into Kennen back in S2.


Well considering it's a skill matchup that's not surprising :D.

Dunno why poppy gets so much hate.You obviously haven't played vs one with items who oneshots you while your soraka is crying that she picked her.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
June 15 2013 20:30 GMT
#1416
On June 16 2013 05:00 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 04:44 Gahlo wrote:
On June 16 2013 04:43 cLutZ wrote:
On June 16 2013 04:28 Dark_Chill wrote:
On June 16 2013 02:12 cLutZ wrote:
On June 16 2013 00:53 Dark_Chill wrote:
"Considering that the entire sustain problem is entirely based entirely on laning I fail to see how this matters.
Someone sustaining in team fights is fine, it becomes a problem when one person has lane sustain and the other doesn't, so the non sustainer could never hope to win a fight or both sustain and it just turns into a boring farm fest."
I don't know if I agree that life sustain in teamfights is always alright. Seems to me like too much sustain on someone who's really hard to take down is really bad in teamfights, unless they don't do all that much in teamfights.
I don't even agree with too much sustain is a problem in lane. Since it's not burst healing, ganking won't allow sustain to play much of a factor. It's like saying that champs with good laning phases are bad because the champs with bad laning phases can't win, so it either turns into a farmfest or aggression on the part of the good laner.


Who even said that?


It was a guy from the thread about how Irelia was badly designed but Aatrox isn't.


Ahh. The fact is that Aatrox is much more poorly designed than Irelia, so IDK what that guy is talking about.

Try telling that to Morello.


I did. He told me manaless melle champs are fine. Then I asked which manaless melle champs were fine, cited Rengar, Zed, Shen, on one end, and Garen/Kat on the other, and got no response.

Actually he did. He went on about manaless champions that aren't strictly melee being an issue.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 20:32:09
June 15 2013 20:32 GMT
#1417
Soraka can silence and Exhaust Poppy and heal you and it's already not that bad. You better run because Silence will never last long enough tho.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
June 15 2013 20:32 GMT
#1418
On June 16 2013 05:32 Alaric wrote:
Soraka can silence and Exhaust Poppy and heal you and it's already not that bad. You better run because Silence will never last long enough tho.

I thought Poppy was immune to all forms of CC when ulting.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 20:38:24
June 15 2013 20:32 GMT
#1419
On June 16 2013 05:30 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 05:00 cLutZ wrote:
On June 16 2013 04:44 Gahlo wrote:
On June 16 2013 04:43 cLutZ wrote:
On June 16 2013 04:28 Dark_Chill wrote:
On June 16 2013 02:12 cLutZ wrote:
On June 16 2013 00:53 Dark_Chill wrote:
"Considering that the entire sustain problem is entirely based entirely on laning I fail to see how this matters.
Someone sustaining in team fights is fine, it becomes a problem when one person has lane sustain and the other doesn't, so the non sustainer could never hope to win a fight or both sustain and it just turns into a boring farm fest."
I don't know if I agree that life sustain in teamfights is always alright. Seems to me like too much sustain on someone who's really hard to take down is really bad in teamfights, unless they don't do all that much in teamfights.
I don't even agree with too much sustain is a problem in lane. Since it's not burst healing, ganking won't allow sustain to play much of a factor. It's like saying that champs with good laning phases are bad because the champs with bad laning phases can't win, so it either turns into a farmfest or aggression on the part of the good laner.


Who even said that?


It was a guy from the thread about how Irelia was badly designed but Aatrox isn't.


Ahh. The fact is that Aatrox is much more poorly designed than Irelia, so IDK what that guy is talking about.

Try telling that to Morello.


I did. He told me manaless melle champs are fine. Then I asked which manaless melle champs were fine, cited Rengar, Zed, Shen, on one end, and Garen/Kat on the other, and got no response.

Actually he did. He went on about manaless champions that aren't strictly melee being an issue.


There is no champion in the game that is "strictly melle". And all the modern melle manaless champs are also not. Zed, Zac, and Aatrox all have gapclosers and spells that go further than melle range.

Edit: Actually Rengar as well.
Freeeeeeedom
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#1420
On June 16 2013 05:32 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 05:32 Alaric wrote:
Soraka can silence and Exhaust Poppy and heal you and it's already not that bad. You better run because Silence will never last long enough tho.

I thought Poppy was immune to all forms of CC when ulting.

No, just CC from the person who she hasn't Ult'd. If she Ults Soraka, Soraka can still silence her.
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