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Craton
United States17294 Posts
On June 16 2013 05:32 Gahlo wrote: I thought Poppy was immune to all forms of CC when ulting. No, she's only immune to everything from the people the ult isn't on. If you ult someone, that person can still use 100% of things against you to full effect. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
10 heimer 9 olaf 8 alistar 7 syndra 6 karma 5 corki 4 lissandra 3 shyvana 2 diana 1 leblanc syndra is probably really strong if you're good with her. Diana is good if you're fed but severely overrated if you aren't. from lower to highest in tops of top winrates 10 nunu 9 fiddle 8 teemo 7 sejuani 6 twitch 5 naut 4 kassadin 3 draven 2 tf 1 janna | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
As someone who likes alistar that list makes me sad  . | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On June 16 2013 05:32 cLutZ wrote: There is no champion in the game that is "strictly melle". And all the modern melle manaless champs are also not. Zed, Zac, and Aatrox all have gapclosers and spells that go further than melle range. I'm just reporting what he said. I think Aatrox is dumb. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
from experience he doesnt seem that hot either i think he has the potential to be strong but he can't really chase well enough imo like if the enemy team has janna good luck doing anything | ||
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Craton
United States17294 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
people just like the ban the new champs | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On June 16 2013 05:42 Slayer91 wrote: aatrox one of the worst champs in the game statisically so far from experience he doesnt seem that hot either i think he has the potential to be strong but he can't really chase well enough imo like if the enemy team has janna good luck doing anything Even Jax is gonna have trouble against anything with Janna or Lux tho. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
and a 5 second gap closer is considered a weak chaser these days lol | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 16 2013 05:42 Slayer91 wrote: aatrox one of the worst champs in the game statisically so far from experience he doesnt seem that hot either i think he has the potential to be strong but he can't really chase well enough imo like if the enemy team has janna good luck doing anything That is not the point. Where a champ falls on the balance scale is irrelevant to his badness of design. You can make any character strong or weak just with numbers. The tough part is making a kit that is resilient so that the champ remains a good, but not required, pick for multiple patch cycles. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
the idea is a lifesteal tank what irelia was supposed to be but riot had no idea how to make a viable not cc based melee to be effective at the top level so they gave her everything | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Jesus. SO much rage, so much trolling. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On June 16 2013 05:50 Slayer91 wrote: why is his design bad? the idea is a lifesteal tank what irelia was supposed to be but riot had no idea how to make a viable not cc based melee to be effective at the top level so they gave her everything A freaking revive mechanic. What the hell are they doing putting on a revive mechanic that is so binary and bland. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Even after the nerfs Katarina was used somewhat sparsely by people who used to main her IIRC, namely xpeke and I think? there was at least one more, though I cant remember who. She fell out of favour due to being overnerfed though, but the concept is obviously not at all overpowering as Kha'zix is just fine and very similiar in design Zed is in the region of strong but not overpowering RIGHT NOW, so I don't really know what that is about. Strong splitpusher, weak in teamfights, possibly powerful laning phase, overall a solid champion with unique strenghts and weaknesses even among the splitpushing class. As I said, Garen is bland and meh, he stopped being played before I took interest in the competitive scene but whether he is impossible to balance properly I can not tell. Rengar had his period of being used yet not dominant for some time after his nerfs, specifically when laneswapping was starting to be used he was one of the premier 1v2ers due to his ability to instakill waves at lvl5 and then ability to splitpush amazingly, partially because of his ultimate/1v1 strenght and partially because he was able to get an advantage from laneswapping. He did fell out of favour due to the change in how laneswaps started to be played I think, but to say that it's an inherent problem in his kit seems very close minded to me, he was just overnerfed and unusable outside his very narrow niche due to it. Binary things aren't at all bad, they are in fact exceptionally exciting. Examples: kills, baron and dragon, executes and reset champions | ||
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R11
Canada213 Posts
On June 15 2013 20:42 cascades wrote: It's kinda obvious why TPA gave up. Their new jungler is just as bad. Would like to bring this up because it's worthy of discussion regarding TPA's state given they were the S2 champions. A pretty long post by their coach Retty was posted on their Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/tpaLoL From what I can summarize, the team is having cohesion issues and the manager hinted that there will be players or role swaps coming in the near future. The role swaps they are doing now is for the players to get accustomed to their roles. I don't think its surprising they would be slumping, (I believe a poster here already said CLG EU and TPA would have the most trouble adjusting to the S3 meta). At the same time, I fail to see how changing roles will solve any internal conflicts they currently have. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 16 2013 05:50 Slayer91 wrote: why is his design bad? the idea is a lifesteal tank what irelia was supposed to be but riot had no idea how to make a viable not cc based melee to be effective at the top level so they gave her everything 1. He doesn't have to use mana to sustain back his life. Thus, you can't push him out of lane unless you are strong enough to beat him in a a trade with your cooldowns down. This means his laning is dictated almost entirely by his stats vs. the stats of the opposing laner. You can only push him out of lane by making him fear an all-in. You can't outplay his resource bar. 2. He has an escape, so jungle ganks that would prevent him from doing this sustain back are rather ineffectual. These 2 parts will make him consistently difficult to balance. Along with that, most of his kit has steroids and his passive is a GA. These will ensure the long-term binary-ness of Aatrox. In lane he either can sustain up or not. If not worthless, if can he becomes old toplane Nunu. In teamfights he either lives and kills you all, or doesn't and is AD Yi. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
ive beat him easy with warwick and nasus, both happens to have good sustain as well except they trade better and are more useful he just basically has free lifesteal its not even unique | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 16 2013 05:59 Scip wrote: Shen has been an early pick/ban material for a looong ass time now, but he has not been the super dominating force that FotM imba champions were (release Zac and Thresh for example) for the longest time. He would actually be one of the first examples of champions who are strong but not super dominant for an extremely long period of time Even after the nerfs Katarina was used somewhat sparsely by people who used to main her IIRC, namely xpeke and I think? there was at least one more, though I cant remember who. She fell out of favour due to being overnerfed though, but the concept is obviously not at all overpowering as Kha'zix is just fine and very similiar in design Zed is in the region of strong but not overpowering RIGHT NOW, so I don't really know what that is about. Strong splitpusher, weak in teamfights, possibly powerful laning phase, overall a solid champion with unique strenghts and weaknesses even among the splitpushing class. As I said, Garen is bland and meh, he stopped being played before I took interest in the competitive scene but whether he is impossible to balance properly I can not tell. Rengar had his period of being used yet not dominant for some time after his nerfs, specifically when laneswapping was starting to be used he was one of the premier 1v2ers due to his ability to instakill waves at lvl5 and then ability to splitpush amazingly, partially because of his ultimate/1v1 strenght and partially because he was able to get an advantage from laneswapping. He did fell out of favour due to the change in how laneswaps started to be played I think, but to say that it's an inherent problem in his kit seems very close minded to me, he was just overnerfed and unusable outside his very narrow niche due to it. Binary things aren't at all bad, they are in fact exceptionally exciting. Examples: kills, baron and dragon, executes and reset champions Binary things are fine. A champ that is like 30% pick/ban one patch, then 0% 2 patches later is not. Shen is a strange case because of his global + manaless + sustain. I disagree with your assessments of Current Zed, Past Kat, and Past Rengar though. On June 16 2013 06:14 Slayer91 wrote: except his trades are really weak so if you win the trade all you need to be able to do is auto him enough to take the edge off his sustain until cds are back ive beat him easy with warwick and nasus, both happens to have good sustain as well except they trade better and are more useful he just basically has free lifesteal its not even unique That is because he is weak, not because he is well designed. They are entirely separate. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
Sustain should never be free. Revive passive should have counterplay. Depending on the balance patch and lane matchup he's either impossible to push out of lane, or lose every trade badly and be useless. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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