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On June 16 2013 06:35 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2013 04:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 16 2013 03:57 Ketara wrote:
I need a new duo buddy.
I was having so much fun till summer vacation started, and now I can't stand it. Too many little kids playing, stresses me the fuck out.
I need somebody I can QQ with. I'll duo with you later tonight if you're around. I can only stand so much ARAM. Just know I'll be even shittier than usual due to computer and whatnot. Wowow you jerk
If you're around I'll duo with you as well.
Fuck my LP, fuck the fact that I may have to leave midgame when the guy decides to wake up for no reason, fuck the terrible internet in this house that cuts out sporadically, fuck my brother's awful computer that is 7 years old and crashes if it's left out too long.
I just can't play any more ARAMs.
I just can't.
They are soul-suckingly awful (although maybe the soul-sucking part is me trying to grind IP for the last few champs I don't own, and next the insanely expensive lifesteal quints/hybrid marks). I wonder though if almost 2 months of playing basically ARAMs have improved my teamfighting at all.
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On June 16 2013 06:40 Ketara wrote:
Friend of mine works in a Best Buy in Kentucky and says they set up a big screen TV and are just playing LCS in the store during store hours and the customers are actually watching it.
Kind of awesome.
Should get him to send you pictures of random people standing around watching it.
Instead Reddit karma imo.
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On June 16 2013 06:40 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2013 06:39 cLutZ wrote:On June 16 2013 06:32 Slayer91 wrote:On June 16 2013 06:31 Sandster wrote:On June 16 2013 06:31 Slayer91 wrote:On June 16 2013 06:29 Sandster wrote:On June 16 2013 06:28 Slayer91 wrote:On June 16 2013 06:25 Sandster wrote:
I don't hate him b/c he's resourceless. I hate him because his sustain is 100% active when attacking, at no cost and no cooldown. I also hate him because he'll revive with up to half hp no matter what you do. see my above post He's resourceless with free sustain. All the ones you quoted have mana to manage, so even if they are 100% hp but oom they can be pushed out of lane. Tell me how you would balance Irelia or Warwick if they had no mana bar and were 100% cooldown based. vladimir Who is also a shit design, and one they've openly admitted to as being almost impossible to balance. Great example. vladimir is ranged though this guy has to melee attack creeps to sustain which is pretty much as vulnerable as you're going to get i have no idea why you just add resourceless champ +natural lifesteal and combine them and act like its a no brainer that its bad design even though theres no evidence at all that its op and even vladimir who they said is impossible to balance really isnt in a terrible place Dude, there is no evidence that these kinds of champions are balanced long term. Small changes in the meta, or nerfs/buffs to other champions drastically swing the power of certain manaless champs in LOL moreso than any other class. See the recent Kennen/Vlad resurgence. now remove the words "manaless" and your statement doesnt change at all. Show nested quote +On June 16 2013 06:38 Sandster wrote:On June 16 2013 06:35 Slayer91 wrote:
light fighter, tank, its just terminology
what matters is you need to stay in the fight a long time because you have very little burst and your DPS isn't among the best either so your main strength is your lifesteal/ga passive
very similar to warwick because mana problems are out the window past laning phase
warwick has more utility and base damage, but his scaling is slightly worse Great. Then give him mana to manage during laning phase in exchange for sustain. Or attach a cooldown to it. Problem solved. what problem? you are convinced theres a problem, that he can lifesteal to full hp and while another champ can also lifesteal to full hp without using any mana but because he doesnt need mana he's broken? doesnt make any real sense
Because he doesn't have to leave lane, because Q and E are essentially free.
Edit, use Zed as an example, compare to Diana.
Imagine a lane where they both are just terribad (or maybe just sick reaction times of some sort). In any case, they both never hit a Q on the other. Zed uses his E to push, to keep up Diana needs to use W to avoid getting pushed to tower. One can do this exercise indefinitely and thus gain an advantage even though he has done nothing objectively good.
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any champ that with heals or lifesteal that has blue or buys tear is the same assuming you dont harass them at all
literally any champ without resources who buys lifesteal is exactly the same
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On June 16 2013 06:45 Slayer91 wrote:
any champ that with heals or lifesteal that has blue or buys tear is the same assuming you dont harass them at all
You act like mana is a non-factor early/mid game. And that buying an 800g item that gives no stats is not a tradeoff.
If you think WW, Irelia, and Yorick are fine if you remove their mana, we just have to agree to disagree.
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no they aren't because they are balanced around their mana pools
aatrox is balanced around being resourceless
i dont see the problem
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On June 16 2013 06:45 Slayer91 wrote:
any champ that with heals or lifesteal that has blue or buys tear is the same assuming you dont harass them at all
literally any champ without resources who buys lifesteal is exactly the same
BUYS. AKA opportunity cost.
You could say the Tear is a problem right now because it eliminates mana costs for too low of a cost and too little of a tradeoff (because muramana is actually good for damage, which it shouldn't be). That is because tear is a problem, not the champs that use it.
Edit: You can't use bad mechanics to justify other bad mechanics.
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Oh man if Yorick didn't have mana he'd be immediate permaban every game material.
He'd be impossible to lane against after level 3 or 4.
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after 3 years they finally fixed it and you can move while holding control. wow.
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On June 16 2013 06:40 Ketara wrote:
Friend of mine works in a Best Buy in Kentucky and says they set up a big screen TV and are just playing LCS in the store during store hours and the customers are actually watching it.
Kind of awesome.
Brilliant!
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On June 16 2013 06:49 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2013 06:45 Slayer91 wrote:
any champ that with heals or lifesteal that has blue or buys tear is the same assuming you dont harass them at all
literally any champ without resources who buys lifesteal is exactly the same
BUYS. AKA opportunity cost. You could say the Tear is a problem right now because it eliminates mana costs for too low of a cost and too little of a tradeoff (because muramana is actually good for damage, which it shouldn't be). That is because tear is a problem, not the champs that use it. Edit: You can't use bad mechanics to justify other bad mechanics.
so you're saying that aatrox is op because he never has to buy items
so you can just lane with no items and be fine
the whole thing of having to be melee range to lifesteal means you need to base more often to keep out in items if you want to use that sustain
and you'er saying tear is also OP
so basically everything that lets youstay in lane too long is a broken mechanic and it is becaues you said so?
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On June 16 2013 06:49 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2013 06:45 Slayer91 wrote:
any champ that with heals or lifesteal that has blue or buys tear is the same assuming you dont harass them at all
literally any champ without resources who buys lifesteal is exactly the same
BUYS. AKA opportunity cost. You could say the Tear is a problem right now because it eliminates mana costs for too low of a cost and too little of a tradeoff (because muramana is actually good for damage, which it shouldn't be). That is because tear is a problem, not the champs that use it. Edit: You can't use bad mechanics to justify other bad mechanics.
What about the opportunity cost of picking a champion who isn't necessarily as powerful as other champions in some aspects because he is balanced around being resourceless?
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On June 16 2013 06:53 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2013 06:49 cLutZ wrote:On June 16 2013 06:45 Slayer91 wrote:
any champ that with heals or lifesteal that has blue or buys tear is the same assuming you dont harass them at all
literally any champ without resources who buys lifesteal is exactly the same
BUYS. AKA opportunity cost. You could say the Tear is a problem right now because it eliminates mana costs for too low of a cost and too little of a tradeoff (because muramana is actually good for damage, which it shouldn't be). That is because tear is a problem, not the champs that use it. Edit: You can't use bad mechanics to justify other bad mechanics. so you're saying that aatrox is op because he never has to buy items so you can just lane with no items and be fine the whole thing of having to be melee range to lifesteal means you need to base more often to keep out in items if you want to use that sustain and you'er saying tear is also OP so basically everything that lets youstay in lane too long is a broken mechanic and it is becaues you said so?
It means you dont have to buy items to be able to spam your moves (which should be a privilege reserved for lategame, or if you are graciously given a blue buff).
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no resourceless champ has to be buy items to spam his moves
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On June 16 2013 06:54 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2013 06:49 cLutZ wrote:On June 16 2013 06:45 Slayer91 wrote:
any champ that with heals or lifesteal that has blue or buys tear is the same assuming you dont harass them at all
literally any champ without resources who buys lifesteal is exactly the same
BUYS. AKA opportunity cost. You could say the Tear is a problem right now because it eliminates mana costs for too low of a cost and too little of a tradeoff (because muramana is actually good for damage, which it shouldn't be). That is because tear is a problem, not the champs that use it. Edit: You can't use bad mechanics to justify other bad mechanics. What about the opportunity cost of picking a champion who isn't necessarily as powerful as other champions in some aspects because he is balanced around being resourceless?
That type of balance has proven to be fleeting.
On June 16 2013 06:56 Slayer91 wrote:
no resourceless champ has to be buy items to spam his moves
Why they should be disfavoured.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Proven is a pretty strong word to throw around, in a game where both mana and resourceless champions have been dominant at different points its history.
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You guys are missing the point in the first place.
Why play lane Aatrox when you can jungles him? With just a wits end he melts things with his W on offensive. His Q engages are really good, and he is pretty innately tanky with his W and passive.
His ganks with Q and E are pretty damn good too. Not to mention you can go full retard to dive anytime your passive is up and give zero fucks. Dive level three, tank four tower shots and live anyway.
/shrug
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First game with Nunu jungler(our team)
lvl 1 steals blue and runs away 1v4, proceeds to counterjungle the shit out of enemy and solo baron at 15min
OK
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On June 16 2013 06:53 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2013 06:49 cLutZ wrote:On June 16 2013 06:45 Slayer91 wrote:
any champ that with heals or lifesteal that has blue or buys tear is the same assuming you dont harass them at all
literally any champ without resources who buys lifesteal is exactly the same
BUYS. AKA opportunity cost. You could say the Tear is a problem right now because it eliminates mana costs for too low of a cost and too little of a tradeoff (because muramana is actually good for damage, which it shouldn't be). That is because tear is a problem, not the champs that use it. Edit: You can't use bad mechanics to justify other bad mechanics. so you're saying that aatrox is op because he never has to buy items so you can just lane with no items and be fine the whole thing of having to be melee range to lifesteal means you need to base more often to keep out in items if you want to use that sustain and you'er saying tear is also OP so basically everything that lets youstay in lane too long is a broken mechanic and it is becaues you said so?
Champions that have mana issues need to BUY tear to fix it. Aatrox doesn't have to buy lifesteal to do so. And don't act like being melee is the most painful thing in the world. Most people in his lane are.
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