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TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
June 15 2013 15:37 GMT
#1381
Yeah I only ever top lane Warwick.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
June 15 2013 15:52 GMT
#1382
Warwick is not a jungler, stop trying to force him in there.

He remains a defiantly powerful pick top lane and he absolutely does not need any reworks. Although removing Jayce, Elise and Nidalee from the game would be a nice buff, fuck those guys. Everyone else he lanes just fine against, and he outscales basically every top laner.
I am the Town Medic.
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
June 15 2013 15:53 GMT
#1383
"Considering that the entire sustain problem is entirely based entirely on laning I fail to see how this matters.
Someone sustaining in team fights is fine, it becomes a problem when one person has lane sustain and the other doesn't, so the non sustainer could never hope to win a fight or both sustain and it just turns into a boring farm fest."
I don't know if I agree that life sustain in teamfights is always alright. Seems to me like too much sustain on someone who's really hard to take down is really bad in teamfights, unless they don't do all that much in teamfights.
I don't even agree with too much sustain is a problem in lane. Since it's not burst healing, ganking won't allow sustain to play much of a factor. It's like saying that champs with good laning phases are bad because the champs with bad laning phases can't win, so it either turns into a farmfest or aggression on the part of the good laner.
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JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 15:59:37
June 15 2013 15:56 GMT
#1384
What's your ultimate NA/EU team? (Assume language barriers aren't a problem)

Team Name - Garenteed Viktory
Solo lanes - xPeke, MandatoryCloud
Jungle - TheOddOne
Duo lane - EDward and DoubleLift
Coach/Analyst - caelym
Manager - JonGalt

Sponsored by Wegmans and Origin PCs

Edit: Pick your team, we'll do a mock pick/ban phase, set up lanes and let TL vote on the winner. Get at me.
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 16:16:28
June 15 2013 16:00 GMT
#1385
nvm
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
June 15 2013 16:07 GMT
#1386
On June 16 2013 00:52 Alzadar wrote:
Warwick is not a jungler, stop trying to force him in there.

He remains a defiantly powerful pick top lane and he absolutely does not need any reworks. Although removing Jayce, Elise and Nidalee from the game would be a nice buff, fuck those guys. Everyone else he lanes just fine against, and he outscales basically every top laner.


Then you gank the everliving shit out of him because he has 0 escapes. Also, wouldn't mages like Kennen and Vlad give him some trouble? Virtually resourceless poke champions that can easily build sustain and poke him forever, while he can q them at best.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
June 15 2013 16:08 GMT
#1387
On June 16 2013 00:56 JonGalt wrote:
What's your ultimate NA/EU team? (Assume language barriers aren't a problem)

Team Name - Garenteed Viktory
Solo lanes - xPeke, MandatoryCloud
Jungle - TheOddOne
Duo lane - EDward and DoubleLift
Coach/Analyst - caelym
Manager - JonGalt

Sponsored by Wegmans and Origin PCs

Edit: Pick your team, we'll do a mock pick/ban phase, set up lanes and let TL vote on the winner. Get at me.

I'll put JonGalt in coach analyst or house keeping personally.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 15 2013 16:12 GMT
#1388
He can't handle his hand liquor so don't trust he can house keep
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
June 15 2013 16:13 GMT
#1389
On June 16 2013 00:52 Alzadar wrote:
Warwick is not a jungler, stop trying to force him in there.

He remains a defiantly powerful pick top lane and he absolutely does not need any reworks. Although removing Jayce, Elise and Nidalee from the game would be a nice buff, fuck those guys. Everyone else he lanes just fine against, and he outscales basically every top laner.


I actually feel like WW could be pretty strong in the jungle since the madred's razor changes. In fact feels like with the amount of dmg output by his atk speed, combined with madred's razer passive, as well as his built in sustain, he could probably pull some crazy lvl 4 dragon stuff with a pink.

Overall though feels like the madred's razor change really buffed jungler's with atk speed in their kit.
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 16:19:39
June 15 2013 16:14 GMT
#1390
On June 16 2013 01:07 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 00:52 Alzadar wrote:
Warwick is not a jungler, stop trying to force him in there.

He remains a defiantly powerful pick top lane and he absolutely does not need any reworks. Although removing Jayce, Elise and Nidalee from the game would be a nice buff, fuck those guys. Everyone else he lanes just fine against, and he outscales basically every top laner.


Then you gank the everliving shit out of him because he has 0 escapes. Also, wouldn't mages like Kennen and Vlad give him some trouble? Virtually resourceless poke champions that can easily build sustain and poke him forever, while he can q them at best.


Getting an enemy below 50% and then zooming away with your super speed works sometimes. I'll admit he has trouble vs early ganks, but that's what wards are for. Once you get a chain vest it's not too ridiculous to be able to 1v2 if you play your cards right, I can't count the number of times a jungler ganks for his ~60% hp top laner and I just kill the laner and chase the jungler away.

Kennen is a huge prick, but if you can avoid Qs then you can sustain through auto harass decently. If he tries to all in you and you aren't low, you'll win. It is a bad match-up though.

Vlad is a funny lane. Pre first back is annoying, but once you get Chalice it's pretty smooth sailing. If you just Q each other you win. There's nothing Vlad can build that can allow him to both hurt you and not die to your all in. When you do fight each other, if you win you can hunt him down, if he wins you zoom away at super speed. If he ever pools stupidly it's a free kill.

Warwick gets bullied pre-5 by most champs, can't really argue. But if you can get enough gold to buy either a Chain Vest or a Chalice (depending on enemy), you're in decent shape for the laning phase.

On June 16 2013 01:13 DonKey_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 00:52 Alzadar wrote:
Warwick is not a jungler, stop trying to force him in there.

He remains a defiantly powerful pick top lane and he absolutely does not need any reworks. Although removing Jayce, Elise and Nidalee from the game would be a nice buff, fuck those guys. Everyone else he lanes just fine against, and he outscales basically every top laner.


I actually feel like WW could be pretty strong in the jungle since the madred's razor changes. In fact feels like with the amount of dmg output by his atk speed, combined with madred's razer passive, as well as his built in sustain, he could probably pull some crazy lvl 4 dragon stuff with a pink.

Overall though feels like the madred's razor change really buffed jungler's with atk speed in their kit.


Yeah maybe, to be honest I never jungle WW, I just know he can't get enough farm in there to be the monster he is in top lane, it's almost a different champion.
I am the Town Medic.
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
June 15 2013 17:02 GMT
#1391
Top: Wingsofdeathx
Mid: Crs Pobelter
Jungle: Lautemortis
AD: ROBERT x GEEGEE
Support: Meandaenie

LOL
Stay positive!
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 15 2013 17:12 GMT
#1392
On June 16 2013 00:53 Dark_Chill wrote:
"Considering that the entire sustain problem is entirely based entirely on laning I fail to see how this matters.
Someone sustaining in team fights is fine, it becomes a problem when one person has lane sustain and the other doesn't, so the non sustainer could never hope to win a fight or both sustain and it just turns into a boring farm fest."
I don't know if I agree that life sustain in teamfights is always alright. Seems to me like too much sustain on someone who's really hard to take down is really bad in teamfights, unless they don't do all that much in teamfights.
I don't even agree with too much sustain is a problem in lane. Since it's not burst healing, ganking won't allow sustain to play much of a factor. It's like saying that champs with good laning phases are bad because the champs with bad laning phases can't win, so it either turns into a farmfest or aggression on the part of the good laner.


Who even said that?
Freeeeeeedom
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 15 2013 17:40 GMT
#1393
Aeres and anyone else interested, Cris is staying at the complexity apartment and streaming. Www.twitch.tv/lolcris
I told him to learn more champs. Hoping for vlad or ryze but expecting aatrox XD
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 15 2013 18:05 GMT
#1394
Why Vlad? I mean Link did well with Vlad yesterday but Vlad is such a situational pick.
Not to mention Cris's play style is to utterly dominate kids from laning phase on. Vlad doesn't fit the bill imo.
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nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
June 15 2013 18:08 GMT
#1395
Meandaenie <3
cool beans
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
June 15 2013 18:16 GMT
#1396
Speaking as a main top riven, it doesn't seem to matter how hard I destroy ww early (and I do), he is always stronger mid/lategame. Very frustrating.
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 18:30:25
June 15 2013 18:29 GMT
#1397
On June 16 2013 01:07 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 00:52 Alzadar wrote:
Warwick is not a jungler, stop trying to force him in there.

He remains a defiantly powerful pick top lane and he absolutely does not need any reworks. Although removing Jayce, Elise and Nidalee from the game would be a nice buff, fuck those guys. Everyone else he lanes just fine against, and he outscales basically every top laner.


Then you gank the everliving shit out of him because he has 0 escapes. Also, wouldn't mages like Kennen and Vlad give him some trouble? Virtually resourceless poke champions that can easily build sustain and poke him forever, while he can q them at best.

there are plenty of succesful top laners without escape mechanic (ryze, irelia, rumble,olaf to name a few) warwick biggest issue is no wave clear, he just cant push in time
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
June 15 2013 18:32 GMT
#1398
On June 16 2013 03:29 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 01:07 Cloud9157 wrote:
On June 16 2013 00:52 Alzadar wrote:
Warwick is not a jungler, stop trying to force him in there.

He remains a defiantly powerful pick top lane and he absolutely does not need any reworks. Although removing Jayce, Elise and Nidalee from the game would be a nice buff, fuck those guys. Everyone else he lanes just fine against, and he outscales basically every top laner.


Then you gank the everliving shit out of him because he has 0 escapes. Also, wouldn't mages like Kennen and Vlad give him some trouble? Virtually resourceless poke champions that can easily build sustain and poke him forever, while he can q them at best.

there are plenty of succesful top laners without escape mechanic (ryze, irelia, rumble,olaf to name a few) warwick biggest issue is no wave clear, he just cant push in time


I shall use my one thousandth post to inform you that the solution is a Sunfire Cape.
I am the Town Medic.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 15 2013 18:38 GMT
#1399
On June 16 2013 03:32 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 03:29 kongoline wrote:
On June 16 2013 01:07 Cloud9157 wrote:
On June 16 2013 00:52 Alzadar wrote:
Warwick is not a jungler, stop trying to force him in there.

He remains a defiantly powerful pick top lane and he absolutely does not need any reworks. Although removing Jayce, Elise and Nidalee from the game would be a nice buff, fuck those guys. Everyone else he lanes just fine against, and he outscales basically every top laner.


Then you gank the everliving shit out of him because he has 0 escapes. Also, wouldn't mages like Kennen and Vlad give him some trouble? Virtually resourceless poke champions that can easily build sustain and poke him forever, while he can q them at best.

there are plenty of succesful top laners without escape mechanic (ryze, irelia, rumble,olaf to name a few) warwick biggest issue is no wave clear, he just cant push in time


I shall use my one thousandth post to inform you that the solution is a Sunfire Cape.


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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 18:43:14
June 15 2013 18:42 GMT
#1400
On June 16 2013 03:29 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2013 01:07 Cloud9157 wrote:
On June 16 2013 00:52 Alzadar wrote:
Warwick is not a jungler, stop trying to force him in there.

He remains a defiantly powerful pick top lane and he absolutely does not need any reworks. Although removing Jayce, Elise and Nidalee from the game would be a nice buff, fuck those guys. Everyone else he lanes just fine against, and he outscales basically every top laner.


Then you gank the everliving shit out of him because he has 0 escapes. Also, wouldn't mages like Kennen and Vlad give him some trouble? Virtually resourceless poke champions that can easily build sustain and poke him forever, while he can q them at best.

there are plenty of succesful top laners without escape mechanic (ryze, irelia, rumble,olaf to name a few) warwick biggest issue is no wave clear, he just cant push in time

The lack of waveclear is the largest. He suffers against top laners that can either abuse him early on before his mana pool starts expanding (like Olaf), or clears waves extremely efficiently and forces him to lose CS under tower.

EDIT: Sunfire cape doesn't help Warwick early, especially when he's still concerned about getting CDR/expanding his mana pool for sustainability. :p
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