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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
June 15 2013 11:33 GMT
#1361
On June 15 2013 20:12 justiceknight wrote:
currently watching GPL and since yesterday TPA start role swapping i feel like they kinda give up lol


The impt thing is: who is Dinter sleeping with?

An unimpressive support suddenly becomes a carry who misses siege minions with 0 opponents and ults AIR with mf ult. you heard that right. MISSING with mf ult.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
June 15 2013 11:42 GMT
#1362
It's kinda obvious why TPA gave up. Their new jungler is just as bad.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 12:00:23
June 15 2013 11:52 GMT
#1363
On June 15 2013 19:34 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 19:23 XaCez wrote:
Anyone that works well with Tear is FotM.

Blue Ezreal is mega FotM.

Especially when you get behind in lane before your first back. Always Blue Ez and all-in, never not Blue Ez and all-in.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
June 15 2013 12:30 GMT
#1364
On June 15 2013 16:37 Requizen wrote:
Prices are similar between the two. Sam's Club has, on average, more free samples.

I think about these things.


Actually they're not. Costco is usually cheaper/gives you more for your money. I unfortunately only have a sam's club by me. And there is maybe only 2 free sample stands at any given time, and half the time 1 is to show you a new carpet cleaner or some shit. >_>
Plus they're too cheap to have more than like 3 cashiers at a time, even though there are about 15 checkouts.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
June 15 2013 13:09 GMT
#1365
The difference is

Costco is known for treating their employees super well (cashiers earn an average of $16/hr), while Sam's Club is owned by Walmart.

Yeah
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 13:25:24
June 15 2013 13:23 GMT
#1366
Hey, 2 buck (or rather 3 buck) Chuck is the way to go for wine.

Why do you care how your vodka tastes, it's vodka. I can understand the difference between different brands of whiskey or rum, but vodka is just deciding if you want to abrade your throat with 150 or 100 grain sandpaper.

EDIT: We're getting a costco back home finally. Maybe I'll ditch my silly research internship which only pays like 9 an hour and go work there next summer huehue.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
June 15 2013 13:33 GMT
#1367
Trade Joe's recently introduced TJ branded $10 4L boxed wines of Shiraz and Chardonnay, they are selling like hotcakes.
Stay positive!
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
June 15 2013 13:36 GMT
#1368
On June 15 2013 15:34 cLutZ wrote:
Why do no decent wines come in anything but bottles?
Its not like you can't get handles/kegs/cases of any other midlevel booze. But wine makers all say "we hate customers"


Boxed wine FTW. 5 liters for a 12 dollar Franzia rose split with my girlfriend. Those were great for a nice home cooked dinner and movie before we went out. Also, Paisano/Carlo Rossi Red Mountain Wine. 10 bucks for a gallon? Yup, I'm sold. I love that stuff. My grandpa, an old italian, drinks a glass every night with dinner. Swag.

All that being said, I love beer and wine and can't wait till I have the paycheck to buy good quality drinks. Not a really hard alcohol fan. I lose track of hard alcohol too quickly and one minute I am having fun and the next minute I find myself waking up in a strange place.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 13:58:46
June 15 2013 13:56 GMT
#1369
Eww boxed wine is only good for cooking. I've been having a lot of Bourbon lately. Mainly Jack actually.
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
June 15 2013 14:13 GMT
#1370
how important really is a 2k-3k gold lead. every time a team gets an advantage like this, casters are always very quick to say "oh its going to be extremely hard for Team A to come back from this disadvantage as Team B has a strong lead right now with their 2.5k gold lead." On average that is a 500 gold advantage for for each team member, translating into a ruby crystal, a long sword or a amp tomb. Is that really that game changing?
Of course I'm talking about the ~15-20 minute mark. A 2k gold lead within the first ten minutes actually has a pretty big impact.
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
June 15 2013 14:14 GMT
#1371
On June 15 2013 23:13 GoSuChicken wrote:
how important really is a 2k-3k gold lead. every time a team gets an advantage like this, casters are always very quick to say "oh its going to be extremely hard for Team A to come back from this disadvantage as Team B has a strong lead right now with their 2.5k gold lead." On average that is a 500 gold advantage for for each team member, translating into a ruby crystal, a long sword or a amp tomb. Is that really that game changing?
Of course I'm talking about the ~15-20 minute mark. A 2k gold lead within the first ten minutes actually has a pretty big impact.


It depends on who has the gold, which is an important context that casters usually don't touch on
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14210 Posts
June 15 2013 14:15 GMT
#1372
On June 15 2013 22:56 Numy wrote:
Eww boxed wine is only good for cooking. I've been having a lot of Bourbon lately. Mainly Jack actually.

Jack Daniels is Tennessee whiskey boy. Gentleman jack is an amazing sipping whiskey but the original is incredible for cooking and cheese sauces.

Also walmart and sams club are equaly owned by the same company. The guys name was Sam walmart after all. I can't honestly say I've seen a costco in central minnesota. Must be one of your southern chains that you don't let go north to join the union.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 14:16:14
June 15 2013 14:15 GMT
#1373
LOL Dyrus is streaming right now and a windows update restart window is above where his playlist usually is, the chat is going nuts and he doesn't realize.

NVM crisis averted about 10 minutes in
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
June 15 2013 14:18 GMT
#1374
On June 15 2013 22:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
Hey, 2 buck (or rather 3 buck) Chuck is the way to go for wine.

Why do you care how your vodka tastes, it's vodka. I can understand the difference between different brands of whiskey or rum, but vodka is just deciding if you want to abrade your throat with 150 or 100 grain sandpaper.

EDIT: We're getting a costco back home finally. Maybe I'll ditch my silly research internship which only pays like 9 an hour and go work there next summer huehue.


You have never tried decent vodka obviously. At least you dont have to force yourself to drink it if you pay a little more. Good vodka tastes very well particularly while eating. Russian dinners are awesome, it's an experience you have to make.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 15 2013 14:40 GMT
#1375
On June 15 2013 23:13 GoSuChicken wrote:
how important really is a 2k-3k gold lead. every time a team gets an advantage like this, casters are always very quick to say "oh its going to be extremely hard for Team A to come back from this disadvantage as Team B has a strong lead right now with their 2.5k gold lead." On average that is a 500 gold advantage for for each team member, translating into a ruby crystal, a long sword or a amp tomb. Is that really that game changing?
Of course I'm talking about the ~15-20 minute mark. A 2k gold lead within the first ten minutes actually has a pretty big impact.

I think it's pretty significant. But you're more Gosu than me... so idk.

+ Show Spoiler +
From playing games like Pokemon and Age of Empires 3 where stats are easy to calculate and modify, or even starcraft...

+1/+1 zealots murder 0/0 zealots and pokemon with 25% more base stats move faster, resist more, and do more damage. Often meaning that the pokemon with 25% more base stats(in an equal level battle tower mirror matchup) will 2hko the one with less stats and will move first.
In age 3, the winning side always has more units left over, and fights are almost never even. This means that the next fight, the winning side will have more units and an even bigger army.

I know there is micro in LoL and some champs are better late game.

But since good micro goes both ways, overall I'd say the advantage in the next fight is guessable. sqrt(%strengthWinningSide/%strengthLosingSide)/2 is a commonly used (but nonsensical) calculation people use for "advantage"
strength can be defined as (base stats + baseStatsFromGold)
From here you just need to figure out how to relate advantage to %chance to win the next fight.

Then there's the factor that LoL is a team game and people on the winning team can do retarded shit when 20-5 and get stalled out by a splitpushing jungle Shaco for 20 minutes instead of closing a game properly.
And the factor where, by playing safe a team can grow an advantage.


Overall I think LoL is more snowbally than Starcraft BW but less than games like AoE3 or pokemon. In LoL even if a losing team wins one fight, that only puts the losing team even or slightly less strong than the losing team. This means that a losing team has to consistently win fights to come back.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 14:53:10
June 15 2013 14:48 GMT
#1376
I want to make a list of the absolute worst champions in the game that nobody in their right mind should ever play ever. Like the ones that are incredibly badly in need of reworks. What champs do you guys think fit this category?

Warwick and Poppy come to mind. Sion.

Shyvana maybe, in that Shyv isn't BAD but there are more modern junglers that do all the same things better.

AD Yi maybe?

Should be a fun topic.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
June 15 2013 14:56 GMT
#1377
Warwick close to my highest win-rate champ. But yeah he's pretty bad. Gotta max CDR and build really tanky really early. But of course everyone just spams attack speed for some reason.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
June 15 2013 14:57 GMT
#1378
Warwick is very nice for lower play, where not everyone and their mother goes around toting CC champs so ult = guaranteed gank.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
June 15 2013 15:23 GMT
#1379
On June 15 2013 23:13 GoSuChicken wrote:
how important really is a 2k-3k gold lead. every time a team gets an advantage like this, casters are always very quick to say "oh its going to be extremely hard for Team A to come back from this disadvantage as Team B has a strong lead right now with their 2.5k gold lead." On average that is a 500 gold advantage for for each team member, translating into a ruby crystal, a long sword or a amp tomb. Is that really that game changing?
Of course I'm talking about the ~15-20 minute mark. A 2k gold lead within the first ten minutes actually has a pretty big impact.

It depends. If one single person has a 3k gold lead, that's pretty significant. It's being a whole completed item ahead. If each team member is up 600 gold, it's less important, but still significant (support can buy more wards + get oracles -> gain vision control -> snowball that way, for example)
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
June 15 2013 15:30 GMT
#1380
On June 15 2013 23:56 TheLink wrote:
Warwick close to my highest win-rate champ. But yeah he's pretty bad. Gotta max CDR and build really tanky really early. But of course everyone just spams attack speed for some reason.


The sad truth is that in the modern jungle, ESPECIALLY with this most recent patch, junglers who can't gank pre-6 should never be used.

That first gank or initial buff invade can decide an entire game, so you MUST play a jungler who has a strong level 2 or level 3.

Junglers who are irrelevant before 6, like Warwick, simply cannot be played atm.

That's my opinion at least.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
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