EPTCome on guys, I understand that Jayce is a strong hero, but the assertion that Corki is outclassed in every way in every conceivable scenario is flat-out ridiculous. There's simply no champion in the game that is that badly in need of a buff.
[Patch 3.08: Aatrox Patch] General Discussion - Page 341
| Forum Index > LoL General |
Interested in helping start an on-topic, serious League discussion thread? PM Neo to talk about how to get started. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Come on guys, I understand that Jayce is a strong hero, but the assertion that Corki is outclassed in every way in every conceivable scenario is flat-out ridiculous. There's simply no champion in the game that is that badly in need of a buff. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On July 07 2013 08:19 TheYango wrote: And if you're working with poor 1v2 farm and have just a Tear and no bonus AD? Come on guys, I understand that Jayce is a strong hero, but the assertion that Corki is outclassed in every way in every conceivable scenario is flat-out ridiculous. There's simply no champion in the game that is that badly in need of a buff. idk corki is pretty shit hero lol i would never ever take corki over a jayce right now... it's more a testament to how stupid op jayce is, but honestly, jayce does outclass corki in every conceivable scenario outside of contrived scenarios that would never occur... | ||
|
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 07 2013 08:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: it's more a testament to how stupid op jayce is, but honestly, jayce does outclass corki in every conceivable scenario outside of contrived scenarios that would never occur... How about the scenario where Jayce is banned? Which is not all that contrived? | ||
|
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
Curse you Yango. | ||
|
arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On July 07 2013 08:25 TheYango wrote: How about the scenario where Jayce is banned? Which is not all that contrived? Much rather have like rumble or renekton or something tbh. | ||
|
GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On July 07 2013 08:27 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: You know I was totally gonna add that scenario as the one exception but it slipped my mind when I clicked post. Curse you Yango. Yango's like a tiger Smelled blood and pounced | ||
|
Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On July 07 2013 08:19 TheYango wrote: And if you're working with poor 1v2 farm and have just a Tear and no bonus AD? Come on guys, I understand that Jayce is a strong hero, but the assertion that Corki is outclassed in every way in every conceivable scenario is flat-out ridiculous. There's simply no champion in the game that is that badly in need of a buff. idk Sivir is pretty outclassed by other champs -- even among the 450's Kayle offers a better mix of pushing power + utility. Her range is so short -- MF and Twitch offer much safer AD AoE. As for auras, I'd argue that it's better to min/max with auras on support/tanks/items. Sivir just doesn't have a lot of what people want on their adcs | ||
|
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
But yeah, you have to get pretty gimmicky to really get Sivir to work. | ||
|
cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 07 2013 08:19 TheYango wrote: And if you're working with poor 1v2 farm and have just a Tear and no bonus AD? Come on guys, I understand that Jayce is a strong hero, but the assertion that Corki is outclassed in every way in every conceivable scenario is flat-out ridiculous. There's simply no champion in the game that is that badly in need of a buff. I would say there are plenty, one being Corki See my fun, arbitrary, graph I just drew. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/203/ierh.png/) | ||
|
LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
| ||
|
jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
| ||
|
Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On July 07 2013 09:00 LaNague wrote: i wonder how a farmed old sivir with hurricane would have looked like. This made me look at the hurricane wiki article, and I lol'd at the fact that with Muramana active, the Hurricane procs consume an additional 3% mana each | ||
|
OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
| ||
|
Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 07 2013 08:19 TheYango wrote: And if you're working with poor 1v2 farm and have just a Tear and no bonus AD? Come on guys, I understand that Jayce is a strong hero, but the assertion that Corki is outclassed in every way in every conceivable scenario is flat-out ridiculous. There's simply no champion in the game that is that badly in need of a buff. Oh I agree that Corki has strengths and stuff—of which I wouldn't argue too much myself because AD's the role which I understand the least (Graves being an exception for example because his kit and range issue make him close to an AD caster on these topics). I was arguing more about how Jayce has silly efficiency and powerful poke even without significant farm. I agree that in the course of a single teamfight Corki has steadier and more consistent damage output through his ult than Jayce through his EQ, but as I mentioned regarding his E nerf (which wouldn't be enough imo) in a situation of poke, unless time constraints arise (a sidelane pushing heavily against his side while the enemy team has good clear to hold a siege for example) the fact that his combo takes two ablities holds less weight as he can just circumvent the issue by poking more (eg. more casts, thus more times). I still believe that Muramana / evolved W Kha'Zix is fine, it's just that the changes made evolving Q stronger (and weakened evolved W for roaming/brainless farming, which I don't address here because I'm talking about poke). If you want to poke, he can still do it well, it'll only require more AD from him to compensate for the loss of former evolved W applying (without consuming) his passive. I'd be really curious to see tests involving Corki and bruiser-ish builds, or abusing a midgame timing with stuff like Gauntlet. I can't really do it myself because I don't even understand well the working of a "standard build" Corki nor his playstyle. | ||
|
overt
United States9006 Posts
Corki plays more similarly to Graves in that he does most of his early/mid game damage with high burst. He has solid poke and a powerful escape tool as well. He got over nerfed and then Riot released too many ADCs with stronger early/mid games than him (Graves and Draven) which took over his niche. His other niche was the safe ADC but Ezreal does that job better and Corki abused Trinity more than Ez did so the nerfs to Trinity hurt him as well. The only thing those two have in common is they're undervalued and/or weak picks. The reasons why they aren't played are completely different and they have completely different power curves. | ||
|
arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On July 07 2013 08:59 cLutZ wrote: I would say there are plenty, one being Corki See my fun, arbitrary, graph I just drew. + Show Spoiler + what makes draven fall off so bad late? spinning axe is still a really obnoxious steroid lategame, even if it relies on catching axes(which can be hard i guess) but stand aside is pretty strong in its own right also | ||
|
wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
edit - that graph isn't too accurate to me but draven only really falls off due to his range and non jump ability/escape ability. at that range you also have ezreal, corki, vayne, kennen, mf and twitch. Honestly though, i don't count mf and twitch because though because they'll be much further back than the other ones | ||
|
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 07 2013 08:19 TheYango wrote: And if you're working with poor 1v2 farm and have just a Tear and no bonus AD? Come on guys, I understand that Jayce is a strong hero, but the assertion that Corki is outclassed in every way in every conceivable scenario is flat-out ridiculous. There's simply no champion in the game that is that badly in need of a buff. huh? just runes and masteries give you like 25 bonus ad by the time you have tear. That's +42 dmg, which for corkis scaling would require him to have 200 AD? Jayce Q also has really good base dmg, you saying it has meh base dmg = completely WTF normally your posts are good but I have no clue what you're saying. Also saying Jayces EQ is 2 spells is only technically correct, E is a utility spell after all and he gets utility for it, it doesn't disappear. A very common harrass is to ranged EQ and then run through the gate and melee QE On July 07 2013 09:19 arb wrote: what makes draven fall off so bad late? spinning axe is still a really obnoxious steroid lategame, even if it relies on catching axes(which can be hard i guess) but stand aside is pretty strong in its own right also Imo stand aside is the reason why Draven is so OP in the first place. It's the only hard CC a ranged ADC has, on a short cooldown and long range. It also is AoE. land a single stand aside during laning = won lane non-ult ADC that is | ||
|
cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 07 2013 09:08 OdinOfPergo wrote: That is the greatest work of art I've ever seen clutz. Thank you <3 On July 07 2013 09:19 arb wrote: what makes draven fall off so bad late? spinning axe is still a really obnoxious steroid lategame, even if it relies on catching axes(which can be hard i guess) but stand aside is pretty strong in its own right also He doesn't really fall off if you understand the chart. He just goes from Abusive, to having his strengths be less powerful, while other ADCs strengths gain ground or hold steady. Like Graves. You pick him to be kinda tanky and push hard with great waveclear. He is good at that, and is always good at that the whole game, and that plus his strong AOE damage is fairly good all game, and has basically the same relative power all game. Draven's ability to abuse people becomes less easy to pull off when tower standoffs become very important, and he has bad waveclear when he is trying to stay safe. | ||
|
nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
| ||
| ||
