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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
In LoL in particular mechanics take a backseat to decision making and game flow. Don't mean it's easier, those are just different skills, though I would argue it is alot easier to make a game mechanically challenging as opposed to deep in terms of understanding. That said, its interesting to me that a person who is not very good at LoL might think it's easy because they cannot see the nuances. People coming over from Starcraft who may have sharp mechanics but do not understand the nuances cannot fathom why they are still in silver and must turn to the "elo hell" scapegoat. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
I stopped playing because every game played took a year off my life expectancy. Splitting marines against lurkers at the frontline while chasing away mutas at the back while making more marines while teching while sending SCVs to mine, holy shit you had to work your ass off to enjoy that game :p Playing LoL is like a vacation. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
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dottycakes
Canada548 Posts
Tic Tac Toe? Connect Four? Every Tic Tac Toe game should end in a tie. Every Connect Four game should have the first player win the game. Connect Four has a higher skill ceiling than Tic Tac Toe since the players have to memorize more patterns. In the context of vidya gaems discussions, I think the phrase "skill ceiling" is just used to say "my game is better than yours". Complex games like LoL or various sports aren't solvable, so has no optimal play, thus has no skill ceiling. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:44 nojitosunrise wrote: Skill ceiling is the biggest buzzword in esports right now. It means nothing. It's like the Monster cable of words. It's like business people discussing the cloud. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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vvSiegvv
United States364 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:24 Numy wrote: Reading the butthurt reactions in the SPL/Kepsa thread is oddly satisfying. All those people that basically celebrated BWs death in there are now staring their own future demise and lashing out. Maybe one day people will just embrace every game instead of this rubbish lashing out at each other. I agree it's oddly satisfying, but at the same time it saddens me. I keep hoping that maybe one day League won't be so hated by the non LoL TL community. It's so weird because 3/4 years ago TL was literally like my online home and nowadays I literally only come to TL for this subforum and the occasional interesting thread that shows up in the side bar. I know it's not like League needs to be recognized by TL or anything for the sake of the game, just would be really nice you know? Oh well I guess I can dream right. I think the reason it's so satisfying is that when you look at the scene a few years ago everybody was riding the ESPORTS train into the ground on every single thread, saying it was a good thing that BW in Korea and Halo at MLG were being replaced because it was good for ESPORTS. Now that SC2 is slowly losing popularity to a game they don't like the idea is that Riot is killing esports? Yeah ok lol. /endrant On a side note my internet has been shit lately and I haven't been able to play at all, what are people feeling about Aatrox? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:10 Osmoses wrote: Guys, just because nobody ever HITS the skillceiling don't mean it doesn't exist. Player vs Player is also irrelevant, the skillceiling doesn't change just because you're playing a worse opponent; it's just that you are much closer to it than your opponent, and therefore having an easier time. In LoL in particular mechanics take a backseat to decision making and game flow. Don't mean it's easier, those are just different skills, though I would argue it is alot easier to make a game mechanically challenging as opposed to deep in terms of understanding. That said, its interesting to me that a person who is not very good at LoL might think it's easy because they cannot see the nuances. People coming over from Starcraft who may have sharp mechanics but do not understand the nuances cannot fathom why they are still in silver and must turn to the "elo hell" scapegoat. skillshots directly depend on the actions of your opponent therefore skill ceiling is non existent in the same way it is in poker. (e.g reads when it comes to enemy movemetn when you have incomplete information and must take risks based off a prediction or play safe and lose opportunity) | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
BotRK works so well as the sole damage item, you can go tanky everywhere else and win ezpz. | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
Result : I became a smartass who thinks that he knows how to play this game, but in truth lacks in skills. Translated in actual game : I've lost my last 5-6 ranked games My take on the situation : Game knowledge wise (decision making) (if something like that exists) : I think I'm still able to read the game (making the good calls, imo). Team usually doesn't follow though, so I guess at my level, knowing what objectives to do is not very important... However, decision making related to my laning is at best questionnable (for example : I know what to do, like waiting for the enemy to last hit before harassing him, but execution is poor and I end up missing CS) -_- Skill/mechanics wise, it seems like I fell behind (after my pause of 1 month from ranked) : The last games I played as AD carry (usually my "safest" role) were mostly terrible (dunno if its just me, or if my support were also terrible) I guess I was never really good neither as a player... I've grinded my way to Gold 3 because I played jungler. Now, I'm no longer first pick, so I'm usually stuck with another role. One could argue that knowledge of the game is not very useful when you are playing something like ADC since you have a small impact on the other lanes. The last game I was able to jungle too, it seems I have also fallen behind the newest changes (the new spawn time for all monsters ; first jungle game since the patch) Conclusion : I probably need to play more and watch less. Dunno if I should stick with jungler, or if I should explore other roles (In order, I think my best role are Jungler > mid = support > ADC >>>>>>>>>>>> top). Another of my problem is that while I have a lot of champions, I always always go back to my "safe" picks... Like mid, I almost always play anivia. Jungler, always Hecarim or Xin. ADC always MF. Support always Taric or Leona. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On July 04 2013 23:31 XenOmega wrote: My situation : I always watched more games (LCS and stuff) than I played this game Result : I became a smartass who thinks that he knows how to play this game, but in truth lacks in skills. Translated in actual game : I've lost my last 5-6 ranked games My take on the situation : Game knowledge wise (decision making) (if something like that exists) : I think I'm still able to read the game (making the good calls, imo). Team usually doesn't follow though, so I guess at my level, knowing what objectives to do is not very important... However, decision making related to my laning is at best questionnable (for example : I know what to do, like waiting for the enemy to last hit before harassing him, but execution is poor and I end up missing CS) -_- Skill/mechanics wise, it seems like I fell behind (after my pause of 1 month from ranked) : The last games I played as AD carry (usually my "safest" role) were mostly terrible (dunno if its just me, or if my support were also terrible) I guess I was never really good neither as a player... I've grinded my way to Gold 3 because I played jungler. Now, I'm no longer first pick, so I'm usually stuck with another role. One could argue that knowledge of the game is not very useful when you are playing something like ADC since you have a small impact on the other lanes. The last game I was able to jungle too, it seems I have also fallen behind the newest changes (the new spawn time for all monsters ; first jungle game since the patch) Conclusion : I probably need to play more and watch less. Dunno if I should stick with jungler, or if I should explore other roles (In order, I think my best role are Jungler > mid = support > ADC >>>>>>>>>>>> top). Another of my problem is that while I have a lot of champions, I always always go back to my "safe" picks... Like mid, I almost always play anivia. Jungler, always Hecarim or Xin. ADC always MF. Support always Taric or Leona. Just as a practical note, teammates are much more willing to listen to your calls if you're actually doing well in game. | ||
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SimulatedAnneal
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On July 04 2013 22:20 h3r1n6 wrote: It's like business people discussing the cloud. That reminds me of this. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:10 Osmoses wrote: Guys, just because nobody ever HITS the skillceiling don't mean it doesn't exist. Player vs Player is also irrelevant, the skillceiling doesn't change just because you're playing a worse opponent; it's just that you are much closer to it than your opponent, and therefore having an easier time. In LoL in particular mechanics take a backseat to decision making and game flow. Don't mean it's easier, those are just different skills, though I would argue it is alot easier to make a game mechanically challenging as opposed to deep in terms of understanding. That said, its interesting to me that a person who is not very good at LoL might think it's easy because they cannot see the nuances. People coming over from Starcraft who may have sharp mechanics but do not understand the nuances cannot fathom why they are still in silver and must turn to the "elo hell" scapegoat. Yeah, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, but it means that it is of no interest to anyone. except game theorists I guess | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On July 04 2013 23:18 nyxnyxnyx wrote: DAE Tank Vayne? Shit's so cash. BotRK works so well as the sole damage item, you can go tanky everywhere else and win ezpz. My sub level 30 friend ended up in a troll game where everyone on his team played ranged ad. The enemy Vayne built botrk, bloodthirster + thornmail, randuins and such. At one point Vayne literally 1v4'd his team, was quite funny. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 04 2013 23:31 XenOmega wrote: It is your punishment for playing Anivia. Seriously, you should stop that. Alternatively, if you're awkward regarding execution and stuff atm it's probably best that you fall back to those "safe champs" until you master the fundamentals at a satisfying enough level for you. Since you're already practiced with them, it makes the process easier since you don't have to learn the champ on top of it. | ||
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