EPTMost mids and junglers really benefit from it.
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
Most mids and junglers really benefit from it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:29 Scip wrote: Because attack speed is generally a lot worse for it's value than AD is. also it's 3 AD for 2 points or 4% attack speed for 4 points. But yeah, I think that Havoc is way better than any of its alternatives. If that were the case; why bother purchasing AS in game as well? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:38 wei2coolman wrote: If that were the case; why bother purchasing AS in game as well? AD is 40 gold per point value. Attack speed is 33.33 gold per point value. Looking at it that way, 1 point in Brute Force is giving you 60 gold in stats, while 1 point in Fury is giving you 33.33 gold in stats. The only reason to put points in Fury at all is when you have no other reasonable option. Which unfortunately in the Offense Tree can happen. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:35 mr_tolkien wrote: Btw, am I the only one running utility on pretty much everybody atm ? Most mids and junglers really benefit from it. What do you typically get in utility? There is more than 1 way of doing it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:40 Ketara wrote: AD is 40 gold per point value. Attack speed is 33.33 gold per point value. Looking at it that way, 1 point in Brute Force is giving you 60 gold in stats, while 1 point in Fury is giving you 33.33 gold in stats. The only reason to put points in Fury at all is when you have no other reasonable option. Which unfortunately in the Offense Tree can happen. I'm convinced; forever Havoc; no more fury. Though; It's still worth grabbing some points in it for blue build ez. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Oh and yeah I wouldn't really get Fury often, although if my standard build gets me 40% CDR anyway so that I don't really need it then I might.. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:38 wei2coolman wrote: If that were the case; why bother purchasing AS in game as well? Genja doesnt LOL Well, they multiply, so eventually attack speed is more cost efficient, but for especially early game it's not very valuable, especially if you have any skills with AD scaling. | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:50 Ketara wrote: Honestly I would love to see the Offense tree get a little bit of a makeover. Defense and Utility these days are great where you have multiple options you want and can't get them all, while Offense leaves you in lots of situations where you have points and don't really want anything it offers. Would love to see some life steal in offensive tree; even if very minimal. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:29 Scip wrote: Because attack speed is generally a lot worse for it's value than AD is. also it's 3 AD for 2 points or 4% attack speed for 4 points. But yeah, I think that Havoc is way better than any of its alternatives. oh, yea but its still better than some minion dmg for ad carries probably | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:27 Shikyo wrote: This isn't true. Pantheon will DEFINITELY win in minion kills if he plays it out properly, and Pantheon is far stronger lategame / teamfights than GP is. People need to stop saying Pantheon is a bad teamfighter. Just last game we were far behind and we crush a teamfight because I stay back, have my overextending team get dived, and then HSS 3 people at once from a distance. Bam, instant teamfight victory. You two need to 1vs1 toplane and stream it. On July 03 2013 03:10 RouaF wrote: Can we stop the panth vs gp debate please it makes me sad :/ it reminds me of my plat smurf with which i pick gp into panth and people are like "OMFG U SO DUMB WHY U PICK GP, PANTH IS GP COUNTER" when there is no way in hell panth can win this matchup. Yes maxing Q and using parrley on panth will make you lose, yes maxing W and starting charm 5 health pot 1 mana pot +ward (and buying tears at first back) will make you instantly WIN. Pantheon can just not kill you unless you play like an idiot, and people on TL do not play like idiots do they ? Or you. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:54 Slayer91 wrote: oh, yea but its still better than some minion dmg for ad carries probably True. For a lot of AD carries cooldown reduction is worth even more though imoimo | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:59 Osmoses wrote: You two need to 1vs1 toplane and stream it. Or you. When I'm platinum ^-^ Gold IV at 86p currently No matter how badly I do with Pantheon early, I always wreck teamfights. It's his strongest aspect perhaps. | ||
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DrunkenOne
United States302 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
People try to play him like Khazix or Zed and don't do well so they say his late game sucks. It's not amazing, but it's definitely not as bad as people say. | ||
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Ethelis
United States2396 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On July 03 2013 04:26 xMiragex wrote: I haven't played pantheon but it sounds like popular opinion on him is suffering from nasus syndrome where people said he was only a Q bot and needed a gap closer.. And then Nasus was so OP he needed a nerf. Panth is really strong atm, he's just out of flavor. | ||
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