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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
That's 80% of the reason I got crushed that game levels 1-2 as Jax, the other 20% being lucky crits + me being bad. EDIT: ^ Yeah, at Gold V/IV you can play anything. That's why I haven't really talked about Rumble/Jayce/Fiora/Teemo since I don't play them, though I do (or used to) play Jax/Shen/Malphite/Nasus/Pantheon so they're relevant for me. I'd imagine Irelia can hold her own but if she dies or gets zoned even once she's basically screwed. This is referring to me picking after Trynd, obviously. I have already accepted when I pick Kennen/Renek/Elise before him that he'll eventually get farmed up split pushing no matter what I do. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:33 Osmoses wrote: If you wanna counter a champion, play your favorite champion -_- I've had so many games where the opposition obviously went "oh this is his counter, gg" but have no idea how to play them and I destroy them. Likewise, I've been surprised by champions I'm supposed to crush being played unusually well. Erm... Duuuhhh? If you're good you beat someone who's bad? News flash? Wonder how the matchups go when you CAN play a champion vs someone who you're strong against? I wonder how that 30 minion 25min Gangplank felt against my Pantheon etc This post sounds more mean than it's meant to be. Anyway, just because you can overcome counters doesn't mean they don't exist. They assume equal skill. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Max E, you clear a lot harder than him, he can't CS without getting hit, and you have amazing sustain. I built like Athenes -> Frozen Heart | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:36 ticklishmusic wrote: I like Chogath vs Tryn honestly, but I haven't played top in forever so maybe its dumb. Max E, you clear a lot harder than him, he can't CS without getting hit, and you have amazing sustain. I built like Athenes -> Frozen Heart Cho doesn't really "lose" any lanes past a certain point though, so that kind of goes without saying. Once you get some levels in your clear, play safe, and just sustain there's almost no one who can bully him out. I doubt Trynd can kill him enough early to keep that from happening. | ||
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ArchAngelSC
England706 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:35 Shikyo wrote: Erm... Duuuhhh? If you're good you beat someone who's bad? News flash? Wonder how the matchups go when you CAN play a champion vs someone who you're strong against? I wonder how that 30 minion 25min Gangplank felt against my Pantheon etc probably the same as this poor Zed just felt against my Kayle. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:04 Ketara wrote: Yeah this 2v1 balance change that hasn't even been unveiled yet is super bad, lets talk about how dumb an idea it is for the next 10 pages of the thread. I really wish that for once we could actually talk about the game and try to understand it better and improve as players rather than shitting all over every single new thing that pops up. TL GD these days is every pro team is terrible, every pro player is terrible, every new champion is stupid, every balance change is too hasty and dumb if you don't like it and didn't come fast enough if you do like it, every tournament is somehow not good enough, every streamer is boring. I get so tired of it. You all obviously enjoy playing the game because you're playing the game and posting in the forums, why can't we talk about actually playing the game and getting better at playing the game instead of screaming about how terrible the game is all the time. Can we talk about THIS for a while? A couple pages of this would actually be useful discussion. The meta game and balance discussion is just as a valid of a discussion as actually talking specifically about the game such as mechanics and lane match-ups. People get a little doom and gloom about some of Riot's balance policies, but it's a valid discussion to have. There were people the were arguing for the change, it wasn't a completely one sides discussion. And it's not like that's all we talk about, it goes in waves. The conversation would have surely shifted to something else naturally. I've skip pages because there are conversations I've grown tired off. Whatever I'm just ranting now, dropping it. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:35 Shikyo wrote: Erm... Duuuhhh? If you're good you beat someone who's bad? News flash? Wonder how the matchups go when you CAN play a champion vs someone who you're strong against? I wonder how that 30 minion 25min Gangplank felt against my Pantheon etc Clearly that Gangplank wasn't very good  I'm saying both players being skilled it's always better to play the champion you actually know how to play rather than pick the supposed "counter" which you do not. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's not so much a balance discussion, more than one of whether 1v2s are interesting to a spectator and whether the gameplay can be improved in a way that makes watching them more interesting. | ||
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XaCez
Sweden6991 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:48 Osmoses wrote: Clearly that Gangplank wasn't very good I'm saying both players being skilled it's always better to play the champion you actually know how to play rather than pick the supposed "counter" which you do not. Well he just parrleyed me as I speared him... Then he parrleyed me as I speared him... Then he parrrleyed me as I speared him... Then he was at 50% and I was full and the rest is history. You know how the MU works. You cannot say if one player is good and if one isn't, it's just practically impossible Why does every yoloQ lee singer stack lifesteal? | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:19 kongoline wrote: yes thats why hes almost perma banned in diamond+ right now He's annoying, not OP. People need to learn the difference. | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
Now? There are quite a few champions who can push back just as hard and even beat him, both in lane and lategame. Someone played a hybrid kayle against voyboy on stream and was able to keep up for the entire game, Singed can proxy farm him quite easily and is far more annoying in teamfights, Nasus counters him quite hard etc. etc. etc. To get back to the initial point, yes Riot does sometimes remove unique mechanics, and maybe their balance team doesn't make the best decisions, but in general they have done a fairly good job at keeping this game diverse. The current patch might be slightly favored towards ranged chars in lane, but that hasn't been the case for very long has it? 3 Months ago people were discussing league of warmogs, and many teams played two solid bruisers mid and top. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:52 Shikyo wrote: Well he just parrleyed me as I speared him... Then he parrleyed me as I speared him... Then he parrrleyed me as I speared him... Then he was at 50% and I was full and the rest is history. You know how the MU works. You cannot say if one player is good and if one isn't, it's just practically impossible Why does every yoloQ lee singer stack lifesteal? Uh no, that's ridiculous. If his parlay loses to your spear then obviously that's not how you play that matchup. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:52 Shikyo wrote: Well he just parrleyed me as I speared him... Then he parrleyed me as I speared him... Then he parrrleyed me as I speared him... Then he was at 50% and I was full and the rest is history. You know how the MU works. You cannot say if one player is good and if one isn't, it's just practically impossible Why does every yoloQ lee singer stack lifesteal? You don't trade Pantheon with GP, you max W and nom your way to super sustain while farming. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:54 Osmoses wrote: Uh no, that's ridiculous. If his parlay loses to your spear then obviously that's not how you play that matchup. How do you play it? You do get speared every 4 seconds if you try to farm and when you go lasthit with melees you get autod as well. If you auto or Parrrley Pantheon near melee range to remove Aegis you get stunned and Aegis passive stacks on top of the stun Aegis so you get it soon. W sustain isn't nearly enough. You don't get to "max W", you get pushed off lane at lvl... 3? 2 is when I allin. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:54 Osmoses wrote: Uh no, that's ridiculous. If his parlay loses to your spear then obviously that's not how you play that matchup. Welcome to Gold, where everything's made up and the points don't matter. | ||
Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:52 Shikyo wrote: Well he just parrleyed me as I speared him... Then he parrleyed me as I speared him... Then he parrrleyed me as I speared him... Then he was at 50% and I was full and the rest is history. You know how the MU works. You cannot say if one player is good and if one isn't, it's just practically impossible Why does every yoloQ lee singer stack lifesteal? GP is supposed to win that matchup with W max because of how damn efficient the heal on his W becomes. He can also just farm up crazy amounts of gold np with Q last hits. On July 03 2013 00:58 Shikyo wrote: How do you play it? You do get speared every 4 seconds if you try to farm and when you go lasthit with melees you get autod as well. If you auto or Parrrley Pantheon near melee range to remove Aegis you get stunned and Aegis passive stacks on top of the stun Aegis so you get it soon. W sustain isn't nearly enough. You don't get to "max W", you get pushed off lane at lvl... 3? 2 is when I allin. If the GP is fighting you at level 2~3 he's doing it wrong. As GP you start cloth+5, play safe and just farm until level 5. Use W before that to just disengage from you. If he does it right, You'll run oom as Panth about when GP runs out of pots. After that point, W sustain kicks in and the lane becomes a farmfest. Now that I think about it, I'm kinda surprised GP isn't picked up more often for 1v2 lanes. His sustain is great and he can last hit from a decent range/under tower. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:58 Shikyo wrote: How do you play it? You do get speared every 4 seconds if you try to farm and when you go lasthit with melees you get autod as well. If you auto or Parrrley Pantheon near melee range to remove Aegis you get stunned and Aegis passive stacks on top of the stun Aegis so you get it soon. W sustain isn't nearly enough. You don't get to "max W", you get pushed off lane at lvl... 3? 2 is when I allin. If you're close enough to Panth to trade or get allin'd you're doing it wrong. GP has to play like a complete bitch in most of his matchups until he gets enough levels in Q or W (depending). He should almost never be anywhere near close enough to trade at level 1~4, he should be focused on farming and surviving. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 03 2013 01:00 Ryuu314 wrote: GP is supposed to win that matchup with W max because of how damn efficient the heal on his W becomes. He can also just farm up crazy amounts of gold np with Q last hits. Now that I think about it, I'm kinda surprised GP isn't picked up more often for 1v2 lanes. His sustain is great and he can last hit from a decent range/under tower. He can't 1v2 because his clear sucks. They'll just constantly shove it to your tower and harass you if you try to push. You can Q sure, but when it's on CD you have to go into melee range to do the rest, and any AD/Support worth their salt will punish you like crazy for that. | ||
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