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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:08 Shikyo wrote: vs Trynd? For freewin you pick Teemo. Harrass all day, when Trynd commits he runs into endless shrooms and gets blinded etc. One of the hardest counters in the entire game, and Teemo counters him all game long. For a little bit more challenge, you can try Jax, Malphite, Fiora, Pantheon, Jayce. Or more simply put, pretty much any top laner :p | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:01 Sandster wrote: By the way, who do you guys pick to lane against Trynd? I feel like if he gets 2 crits at level 1-2 you're pretty much forced out of lane, especially if you get to lane late leashing and he has fury built up already. Shen, Malphite, Rumble. First two are more passive, open Cloth, stack armor, farm fest. Rumble is more capable of zoning and it becomes a player skill matchup of knowing when to engage Trynd to go in for the kill. Even with Spinning Slash, you should be able to kite Trynd and take minimal auto attacks. And lastly, while not as obvious, I think Kha'Zix Top is rather good too. Open Cloth, into Tabi Chain vest. You win trades all day, even without sustain. Once you're armor stacked, zone him hard. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
I know Malphite is a pretty common pick. Haven't tried the others. Maybe I'll finally buy Teemo, I keep forgetting that little piece of **** since I hate him so much, but Trynd top is EVERYWHERE these days. I just don't want to play a passive farm lane (e.g. Shen/Malphite) against Trynd and risk someone else on my team trying to stop his split pushing 1v1. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:09 mr_tolkien wrote: Or more simply put, pretty much any top laner :p teemo is an evil hero but he does poop on a lot of melee top laners, kind of cheating if you're suggesting picking him though. Malphite works against ad heros in general, and idk about top lane nasus but as teut said wither is godlike against auto attackers also Neo reminded me to ask this, is Khazix top going to be popular? With the new Q changes his dueling potential is through the roof, and he can still roam and push quite well and become the late game assassin that gets resets all day while being slippery in lane | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:13 Nos- wrote: teemo is an evil hero but he does poop on a lot of melee top laners, kind of cheating if you're suggesting picking him though. Malphite works against ad heros in general, and idk about top lane nasus but as teut said wither is godlike against auto attackers Dunno, pretty much every top laner should poop on trynda if he plays the lane well and Trynda isn't TOO lucky with crits. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:12 Sandster wrote: I usually play Jax, which was fine until he started brawler gloves, got to lane and immediately started pushing, then got 3 crits in 4 hits (while hitting 2 first) and killed me with last tick of ignite. I almost threw my monitor into my wall. I know Malphite is a pretty common pick. Haven't tried the others. Maybe I'll finally buy Teemo, I keep forgetting that little piece of **** since I hate him so much, but Trynd top is EVERYWHERE these days. Are you adapting to the matchup? Jax vs Trynd, obv open Cloth and start E first. You know what Trynd is going to do level 1, play against it. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:13 Shikyo wrote: I think you're underestimating Tryndamere rather severely if you think that mass armor Kha'Zix poses a problem against him. Tryndamere can just auto minions all day and ignore you 100% That's just the opening. Chain goes into a Frozen Fist later, kite Tryndamere all day. I think you're underestimating how much Kha'Zix can do with passive + Q max. He will win trades if Trynd doesn't get his RNG. @Nos-: I definitely see potential in Top Kha'Zix after watching MegaZero and Alex Ich play him. Gone are the days where you W max/evolve and poke all day (it's still viable but not being able to EW is annoying for Kha'Zix players) and he's now a solid assassin. Jump resets, triple stealth, passive proc/slow, Kha'Zix is very strong even in team fights, because of how fast and efficient he can reposition himself. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
I'd pick Teemo if I played him though. On July 03 2013 00:18 NeoIllusions wrote: That's just the opening. Chain goes into a Frozen Fist later, kite Tryndamere all day. I think you're underestimating how much Kha'Zix can do with passive + Q max. He will win trades if Trynd doesn't get his RNG. Look, winning trades doesn't matter at all if Trynd is at full hp anyway. Trynd always gets his RNG, also. I don't think it's viable to assume that he won't. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:15 NeoIllusions wrote: Are you adapting to the matchup? Jax vs Trynd, obv open Cloth and start E first. You know what Trynd is going to do level 1, play against it. Yeah I start Cloth 5 start with E. I've never had problems with the matchup except that one game (he went aggressive level 1 so we both got to ~half health, then he hit 2 first and all-in'd while my health pots were ticking and E on cd and I didn't have leap yet to get away), and basically threw my lane after that. I should have backed off after the early trade since I knew he would hit 2 first, but I've never seen that many consecutive crits before, and would have survived with 1 fewer crit. Was just wondering what other people do. Never done the Nasus vs Trynd matchup but I do hear he shuts Trynd down past early lane phase (as I expect), kinda like Malphite. I'm not necessarily worried about lane phase that much, more that if I don't completely shut him down in lane he'll just split push, and if I don't have a champion that can stop him 1v1 past 20 minutes on roughly even farm then I just threw the game because most of the time my team doesn't have someone else who can handle a split pushing Trynd well (~Gold IV). EDIT: ADUN TORIDAS | ||
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kongoline
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On July 03 2013 00:09 mr_tolkien wrote: Or more simply put, pretty much any top laner :p yes thats why hes almost perma banned in diamond+ right now | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:08 Shikyo wrote: vs Trynd? For freewin you pick Teemo. Harrass all day, when Trynd commits he runs into endless shrooms and gets blinded etc. One of the hardest counters in the entire game, and Teemo counters him all game long. For a little bit more challenge, you can try Jax, Malphite, Fiora, Pantheon, Jayce. NASUSSS lol i havent seen a trynd ban since the ap days nice bullshittin guyz how many 1 word posts do i need before people start just picking nasus against him | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Also, I'm so happy right now. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:19 Shikyo wrote: Why not just pick Pantheon vs Trynd, anyway? He's my current go-to against him. So incredibly easy. Deny every time. If he tries to attack you you just stun him for second aegis and walk away and then throw a spear backwards etc. I'd pick Teemo if I played him though. Look, winning trades doesn't matter at all if Trynd is at full hp anyway. Trynd always gets his RNG, also. I don't think it's viable to assume that he won't. If you're playing just to counter Trynd in lane, then sure, go obvious picks like Panth and Teemo. I don't see you doing as much late game and in team fights though. @Slayer91919191: l0l I don't think I've played Nasus in lane since beta but yes, dog is good vs barbarian. Always Wither, never not Wither. And you push decently with Spirit Fire. plz | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 02 2013 23:46 TheLink wrote: From Riot's perspective there is no such thing as perfect balance, the way Blizzard strives for it. The game could dispense free handjobs after each queue and Riot would still change it around after a few months just to keep things new. It's not a matter of something is unfun or imbalanced it's just they always want something new. i approve of this | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:23 NeoIllusions wrote: If you're playing just to counter Trynd in lane, then sure, go obvious picks like Panth and Teemo. I don't see you doing as much late game and in team fights though. @Slayer91919191: l0l I don't think I've played Nasus in lane since beta but yes, dog is good vs barbarian. Always Wither, never not Wither. And you push decently with Spirit Fire. plz I've wanted to try Nasus vs Trynd for a while...will pick him next time. Thanks. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:20 Slayer91 wrote: NASUSSS lol i havent seen a trynd ban since the ap days nice bullshittin guyz how many 1 word posts do i need before people start just picking nasus against him Beat me to it. Everytime I see a Tryndamere pick, I pick Nasus and level Q+W equally. Poke him out early on and force him to burn fury to sustain back up because hey, your sustain doesn't need fury. And, once you get going, you crush him utterly. It's seriously unfair for him. On July 03 2013 00:27 Sandster wrote: I've wanted to try Nasus vs Trynd for a while...will pick him next time. Thanks. In my experience, start with a Dorans Shield and trade with him level 1, which prevent him from building up fury early on and gets going. Trynd does have a phase in lane where, if all else is equal, he can beat Nasus (kind of want to say 3-5?), but not without full fury. Then you just build a Glacial Shroud and Tabi and not care about Trynd, since your Q chunks his HP. If he ends up Spinning Slash in to harass you, Wither and Trade. Generally don't want to initiate with Wither since he an spin away. It's also a supremely gankable lane for you pre-6 (post-6, Nasus generally beats Tryndamere as long as you don't let him whale on you while he's in ENDLESS RAGE mode). | ||
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