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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On June 26 2013 02:22 ArchAngelSC wrote: I wouldn't really say Oriannas ult is noob-friendly I wasn't implying that Ori is easy for beginners, but I would say that learning Ori is very beneficial to newcomers. Shockwave isn't forgiving but it is a game changer, and you have to understand how to use it. You have relative safety with your shield and your speed. Your ball mechanic has synergy with a lot of different champions and you can learn how to coordinate your stuff with theirs. You still have basic burst combos to learn. Your autoattacks do decent damage so you have to learn how to fit those in with decent spacing. She has good farming capability and she has decent roaming. If Annie and Ryze are great Day 1 champs, then Ori is probably a great Day 15 champ. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On June 26 2013 02:46 nafta wrote: Pretty surprised that noone mentioned viktor.He is pretty much same as annie except you have poke.Also ziggs is a pretty simple character. Laser alone is hard enough to work for most people learning/playing him. Need to know where to cast it, and then angle it in the right direction to hit someone/reveal an area. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
TF and Ori rely on heavy zone control, heavy positioning requirements while using skills that require your constant input, and your team to understand what you can do. They are by hard some of the hardest mids to learn. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 26 2013 02:46 nafta wrote: Pretty surprised that noone mentioned viktor.He is pretty much same as annie except you have poke.Also ziggs is a pretty simple character. Viktor: Very similar to Annie, yes. However, not nearly as forgiving on mana. Laser isn't easy. Much less consistent CC. Chaos Storm doesn't last as long and can't tank shots for you. He's also generally more squishy. Ziggs: All skillshots, unforgiving to miss anything because of CDs. Mana intensive, not a whole lot of CC, escape is hard to learn and use effectively. Very squishy, hard to roam with. If he gets locked down, he's dead. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
But seriously, fuck lanesin in general. Guy is such an ass. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 26 2013 02:52 cLutZ wrote: Speaking of Autoattacks. Karma has a god Tier AA animation. Its like between Marine and Hydralisk speed. And the slight buff to her Q explosion radius makes farming soooooo much more intuitive. Before it was very frustrating. It's still super annoying when a stray melee minion wanders in front of you just as you Q for the kill though. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Ziggs q has 4 sec cd how is that long lol.Every mid straight up dies without doing shit if he gets locked down. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 26 2013 02:56 nafta wrote: I think I am the only person in the world who finds viktor e not hard to hit at all lol. Ziggs q has 4 sec cd how is that long lol.Every mid straight up dies without doing shit if he gets locked down. *cough* No. But Viktor is a different beast than most champs. It takes a while to figure out his power curves. Believe me, he's not a champ I would throw at someone and say "go learn to play mid" And no, I always feel Ziggs dies especially fast. His Q has a 4 sec CD, sure. But his WER are all very unforgiving if you miss. A champ like Annie does not die quickly by any means (molten armor + RoA) | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 26 2013 02:58 jcarlsoniv wrote: *cough* No. But Viktor is a different beast than most champs. It takes a while to figure out his power curves. Believe me, he's not a champ I would throw at someone and say "go learn to play mid" Well no as in I think any player should be able to hit it easily and I don't understand what is so hard.I know you are THE viktor player on tl :D. No disrespect kind sir. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 26 2013 03:00 nafta wrote: Well no as in I think any player should be able to hit it easily and I don't understand what is so hard.I know you are THE viktor player on tl :D. No disrespect kind sir. Lol, no disrespect taken. But think about how many times people miss Rumble ults. Now make that your chief DPS spell, and think about how awful it feels to miss that shit. Sure, have someone play 10 straight games as Viktor, and they figure it out and miss a hell of a lot less. But after 300+ ranked Viktor games, I STILL miss E sometimes. It's one of those, "why do this when there is something so much easier?" things | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On June 26 2013 02:46 nafta wrote: Pretty surprised that noone mentioned viktor.He is pretty much same as annie except you have poke.Also ziggs is a pretty simple character. ziggs simple? uhhhh, wtf? Like seriously he is one of the hardest AP's in LoL. He's 100% skillshot with extremely tricky to use escape/mobility and an extremely unforgiving positional minefield where if you use either of his two utility skills improperly in a situation you are completely fucked. He's also extremely reliant on his AA passive to be played decently, which requires even more positional skill and game knowledge to know when you can use safely. Maybe he looks simple if you just play him like hur dur throw da bombs, but you will get shit on against anyone past bronze. Ziggs took me like 20 games to get to the point where I felt acceptable on him, and like all I play is skillshotty mids which I can usually pick up in like 3 games, he's really really hard. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 26 2013 03:04 sob3k wrote: ziggs simple? uhhhh, wtf? Like seriously he is one of the hardest AP's in LoL. He's 100% skillshot with extremely tricky to use escape/mobility and an extremely unforgiving positional minefield where if you use either of his two utility skills improperly in a situation you are completely fucked. He's also extremely reliant on his AA passive to be played decently, which requires even more positional skill and game knowledge to know when you can use safely. Maybe he looks simple if you just play him like hur dur throw da bombs, but you will get shit on against anyone past bronze. Ziggs took me like 20 games to get to the point where I felt acceptable on him, and like all I play is skillshotty mids which I can usually pick up in like 3 games, he's really really hard. Y'know, Ziggs might be my next project. I've always loved him, but I'm soooooooo bad at him. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
I dont find his escape to be all that difficult really, more complicated then everyone else though. Minefield is a complete cunt, but useful for escapes :3 | ||
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
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