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Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
June 25 2013 18:35 GMT
#4001
Nocturne is pretty straight forward, level Q level 1 and don't take anything at 2. Skill E if nothing is happening, W if you get invaded and need to run away. Take 1 point in everything by 3.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
June 25 2013 18:37 GMT
#4002
On June 26 2013 03:34 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 03:33 Sandster wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:29 Shikyo wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote:
I'm not sure you guys remember what being new is like, but EVERYTHING is hard. Like, 90% of your effort was spent trying to properly last hit, which you were utterly failing at, because you couldn't even get in RANGE to last hit. Also remember you have no runes or masteries to help with last hitting. Trying to last hit, figure out what abilities you have, how to use them, what the other guy in your lane does, what items to get...

You have very limited capability of anything complex at this point. Trying to get this guy to plant a mine, step on a certain area of it, and then reactivating it to escape is just not feasible when he's thinking ASDKLFH THIS GUY JUMPED ON ME.

o.O

My very first LoL game straight off tutorial I went 17-2 as Sivir, I was solo mid and had enemy Gragas just basically walk into me, autoattacking minions, and dying over and over again, remember that clear as a day. Then I just stomped with Kassadin who was free until like 10, having like 5:1 average K/D. Everyone was godawful.

Maybe it's different than it was in 2010 but I do remember how it was to be new very well <.< I didn't really pay any attention to enemy items or summoners apart from heal baits etc. It was just running around killing everything.


My new theory is that I play far better when I'm really hungry than when I'm not.



Yeah Sivir. Who you can literally attack move and do well. I played Ashe and did just as well. And Kass is just spam everything into the same area where another guy is.

What if you had tried to play Viktor or Ziggs your first game?

No idea, those didn't exist and I've never played Ziggs.

As Kassadin I did do some pretty elaborate plays on like my second day of LoL though, just because you start a new game doesn't mean you need to go fullretard and not use common sense.

I think if you practice properly you can get on a decent enough level in like a week in any game


I'm glad this forum is full of really awesome guys who think some of the most complex mid champs in the game are simple to play, but seriously if you're trying to recommend someone to learn mid with there are objectively simpler and harder champs to start out with.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 25 2013 18:38 GMT
#4003
On June 26 2013 03:29 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote:
I'm not sure you guys remember what being new is like, but EVERYTHING is hard. Like, 90% of your effort was spent trying to properly last hit, which you were utterly failing at, because you couldn't even get in RANGE to last hit. Also remember you have no runes or masteries to help with last hitting. Trying to last hit, figure out what abilities you have, how to use them, what the other guy in your lane does, what items to get...

You have very limited capability of anything complex at this point. Trying to get this guy to plant a mine, step on a certain area of it, and then reactivating it to escape is just not feasible when he's thinking ASDKLFH THIS GUY JUMPED ON ME.

o.O

My very first LoL game straight off tutorial I went 17-2 as Sivir, I was solo mid and had enemy Gragas just basically walk into me, autoattacking minions, and dying over and over again, remember that clear as a day. Then I just stomped with Kassadin who was free until like 10, having like 5:1 average K/D. Everyone was godawful.

Maybe it's different than it was in 2010 but I do remember how it was to be new very well <.< I didn't really pay any attention to enemy items or summoners apart from heal baits etc. It was just running around killing everything.

I don't think farming really is that important if you're a beginner anyway, you can do so much better if you just concentrate on killing the enemies who never ward and always overextend.


My new theory is that I play far better when I'm really hungry than when I'm not.(protip, try it)



Ahh yes, the "1st" game. I'm fairly sure I was Malz and got called a noob for taking smite, but was in a 2v1 lane and they kept trying to kill me under tower, and that didn't work well.

Also, Malz isn't a bad mid that is easy to learn.
Freeeeeeedom
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 18:40:08
June 25 2013 18:39 GMT
#4004
On June 26 2013 03:37 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 03:34 Shikyo wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:33 Sandster wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:29 Shikyo wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote:
I'm not sure you guys remember what being new is like, but EVERYTHING is hard. Like, 90% of your effort was spent trying to properly last hit, which you were utterly failing at, because you couldn't even get in RANGE to last hit. Also remember you have no runes or masteries to help with last hitting. Trying to last hit, figure out what abilities you have, how to use them, what the other guy in your lane does, what items to get...

You have very limited capability of anything complex at this point. Trying to get this guy to plant a mine, step on a certain area of it, and then reactivating it to escape is just not feasible when he's thinking ASDKLFH THIS GUY JUMPED ON ME.

o.O

My very first LoL game straight off tutorial I went 17-2 as Sivir, I was solo mid and had enemy Gragas just basically walk into me, autoattacking minions, and dying over and over again, remember that clear as a day. Then I just stomped with Kassadin who was free until like 10, having like 5:1 average K/D. Everyone was godawful.

Maybe it's different than it was in 2010 but I do remember how it was to be new very well <.< I didn't really pay any attention to enemy items or summoners apart from heal baits etc. It was just running around killing everything.


My new theory is that I play far better when I'm really hungry than when I'm not.



Yeah Sivir. Who you can literally attack move and do well. I played Ashe and did just as well. And Kass is just spam everything into the same area where another guy is.

What if you had tried to play Viktor or Ziggs your first game?

No idea, those didn't exist and I've never played Ziggs.

As Kassadin I did do some pretty elaborate plays on like my second day of LoL though, just because you start a new game doesn't mean you need to go fullretard and not use common sense.

I think if you practice properly you can get on a decent enough level in like a week in any game


I'm glad this forum is full of really awesome guys who think some of the most complex mid champs in the game are simple to play, but seriously if you're trying to recommend someone to learn mid with there are objectively simpler and harder champs to start out with.

I don't understand what you're saying? Did you just turn a complete 180 from your last post?

I think people said that starting the game was difficult and I just said that starting the game wasn't difficult at all for me personally.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 25 2013 18:41 GMT
#4005
Okay guys, call me crazy but I bet Olaf is going to be buffed soon.

"Why ticklishmusic," you say, "you must be crazy! Riot hates Olaf!"

Well, the reasoning is because he' from the Freljord. You see, first they revamped half the lore in the game (and added ARAM) just to hype us Lissandra. Then they buffed Sejuani into OPness. Then they gave Nunu some buffs. Then they made Ashe... better-ish. Clearly, Olaf is the next Freljordian (or Freljordese?) to get some love.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 25 2013 18:42 GMT
#4006
On June 26 2013 03:39 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 03:37 Sandster wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:34 Shikyo wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:33 Sandster wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:29 Shikyo wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote:
I'm not sure you guys remember what being new is like, but EVERYTHING is hard. Like, 90% of your effort was spent trying to properly last hit, which you were utterly failing at, because you couldn't even get in RANGE to last hit. Also remember you have no runes or masteries to help with last hitting. Trying to last hit, figure out what abilities you have, how to use them, what the other guy in your lane does, what items to get...

You have very limited capability of anything complex at this point. Trying to get this guy to plant a mine, step on a certain area of it, and then reactivating it to escape is just not feasible when he's thinking ASDKLFH THIS GUY JUMPED ON ME.

o.O

My very first LoL game straight off tutorial I went 17-2 as Sivir, I was solo mid and had enemy Gragas just basically walk into me, autoattacking minions, and dying over and over again, remember that clear as a day. Then I just stomped with Kassadin who was free until like 10, having like 5:1 average K/D. Everyone was godawful.

Maybe it's different than it was in 2010 but I do remember how it was to be new very well <.< I didn't really pay any attention to enemy items or summoners apart from heal baits etc. It was just running around killing everything.


My new theory is that I play far better when I'm really hungry than when I'm not.



Yeah Sivir. Who you can literally attack move and do well. I played Ashe and did just as well. And Kass is just spam everything into the same area where another guy is.

What if you had tried to play Viktor or Ziggs your first game?

No idea, those didn't exist and I've never played Ziggs.

As Kassadin I did do some pretty elaborate plays on like my second day of LoL though, just because you start a new game doesn't mean you need to go fullretard and not use common sense.

I think if you practice properly you can get on a decent enough level in like a week in any game


I'm glad this forum is full of really awesome guys who think some of the most complex mid champs in the game are simple to play, but seriously if you're trying to recommend someone to learn mid with there are objectively simpler and harder champs to start out with.

I don't understand what you're saying? Did you just turn a complete 180 from your last post?

I think people said that starting the game was difficult and I just said that starting the game wasn't difficult at all.


I don't recall my first game specifically, but I remember having no idea what the game was about. It was my first foray into the MOBA genre, and I remember I played a lot of Kass/Shaco, but exclusively played TT until I was like lvl 12.

Summoner's Rift blew my mind (Winter map was available, and I fell in love with it). I had no idea what this mysterious jungle was, and I remember trying Zilean for the first time, having no idea what to do on this strange new map, and feeding my ass off.

I was awful when I first started, and if someone asked me to play a champ that relied on skill shots, I would have probably quit for good.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 25 2013 18:45 GMT
#4007
On June 26 2013 03:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 03:39 Shikyo wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:37 Sandster wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:34 Shikyo wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:33 Sandster wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:29 Shikyo wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote:
I'm not sure you guys remember what being new is like, but EVERYTHING is hard. Like, 90% of your effort was spent trying to properly last hit, which you were utterly failing at, because you couldn't even get in RANGE to last hit. Also remember you have no runes or masteries to help with last hitting. Trying to last hit, figure out what abilities you have, how to use them, what the other guy in your lane does, what items to get...

You have very limited capability of anything complex at this point. Trying to get this guy to plant a mine, step on a certain area of it, and then reactivating it to escape is just not feasible when he's thinking ASDKLFH THIS GUY JUMPED ON ME.

o.O

My very first LoL game straight off tutorial I went 17-2 as Sivir, I was solo mid and had enemy Gragas just basically walk into me, autoattacking minions, and dying over and over again, remember that clear as a day. Then I just stomped with Kassadin who was free until like 10, having like 5:1 average K/D. Everyone was godawful.

Maybe it's different than it was in 2010 but I do remember how it was to be new very well <.< I didn't really pay any attention to enemy items or summoners apart from heal baits etc. It was just running around killing everything.


My new theory is that I play far better when I'm really hungry than when I'm not.



Yeah Sivir. Who you can literally attack move and do well. I played Ashe and did just as well. And Kass is just spam everything into the same area where another guy is.

What if you had tried to play Viktor or Ziggs your first game?

No idea, those didn't exist and I've never played Ziggs.

As Kassadin I did do some pretty elaborate plays on like my second day of LoL though, just because you start a new game doesn't mean you need to go fullretard and not use common sense.

I think if you practice properly you can get on a decent enough level in like a week in any game


I'm glad this forum is full of really awesome guys who think some of the most complex mid champs in the game are simple to play, but seriously if you're trying to recommend someone to learn mid with there are objectively simpler and harder champs to start out with.

I don't understand what you're saying? Did you just turn a complete 180 from your last post?

I think people said that starting the game was difficult and I just said that starting the game wasn't difficult at all.


I don't recall my first game specifically, but I remember having no idea what the game was about. It was my first foray into the MOBA genre, and I remember I played a lot of Kass/Shaco, but exclusively played TT until I was like lvl 12.

Summoner's Rift blew my mind (Winter map was available, and I fell in love with it). I had no idea what this mysterious jungle was, and I remember trying Zilean for the first time, having no idea what to do on this strange new map, and feeding my ass off.

I was awful when I first started, and if someone asked me to play a champ that relied on skill shots, I would have probably quit for good.

Aww, I guess you missed the good old Ryze where you just ran up to someone and slammed your head against the keyboard and got a kill every time your ult was up. He was so nice if you were afraid of skillshots
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
June 25 2013 18:47 GMT
#4008
First game was on Ryze and I was on voicechat with bros. Still had no clue what was going on and pretty sure I either fed or did nothing all game. It's all really fuzzy though.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 25 2013 18:48 GMT
#4009
On June 26 2013 03:45 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 03:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:39 Shikyo wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:37 Sandster wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:34 Shikyo wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:33 Sandster wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:29 Shikyo wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote:
I'm not sure you guys remember what being new is like, but EVERYTHING is hard. Like, 90% of your effort was spent trying to properly last hit, which you were utterly failing at, because you couldn't even get in RANGE to last hit. Also remember you have no runes or masteries to help with last hitting. Trying to last hit, figure out what abilities you have, how to use them, what the other guy in your lane does, what items to get...

You have very limited capability of anything complex at this point. Trying to get this guy to plant a mine, step on a certain area of it, and then reactivating it to escape is just not feasible when he's thinking ASDKLFH THIS GUY JUMPED ON ME.

o.O

My very first LoL game straight off tutorial I went 17-2 as Sivir, I was solo mid and had enemy Gragas just basically walk into me, autoattacking minions, and dying over and over again, remember that clear as a day. Then I just stomped with Kassadin who was free until like 10, having like 5:1 average K/D. Everyone was godawful.

Maybe it's different than it was in 2010 but I do remember how it was to be new very well <.< I didn't really pay any attention to enemy items or summoners apart from heal baits etc. It was just running around killing everything.


My new theory is that I play far better when I'm really hungry than when I'm not.



Yeah Sivir. Who you can literally attack move and do well. I played Ashe and did just as well. And Kass is just spam everything into the same area where another guy is.

What if you had tried to play Viktor or Ziggs your first game?

No idea, those didn't exist and I've never played Ziggs.

As Kassadin I did do some pretty elaborate plays on like my second day of LoL though, just because you start a new game doesn't mean you need to go fullretard and not use common sense.

I think if you practice properly you can get on a decent enough level in like a week in any game


I'm glad this forum is full of really awesome guys who think some of the most complex mid champs in the game are simple to play, but seriously if you're trying to recommend someone to learn mid with there are objectively simpler and harder champs to start out with.

I don't understand what you're saying? Did you just turn a complete 180 from your last post?

I think people said that starting the game was difficult and I just said that starting the game wasn't difficult at all.


I don't recall my first game specifically, but I remember having no idea what the game was about. It was my first foray into the MOBA genre, and I remember I played a lot of Kass/Shaco, but exclusively played TT until I was like lvl 12.

Summoner's Rift blew my mind (Winter map was available, and I fell in love with it). I had no idea what this mysterious jungle was, and I remember trying Zilean for the first time, having no idea what to do on this strange new map, and feeding my ass off.

I was awful when I first started, and if someone asked me to play a champ that relied on skill shots, I would have probably quit for good.

Aww, I guess you missed the good old Ryze where you just ran up to someone and slammed your head against the keyboard and got a kill every time your ult was up. He was so nice if you were afraid of skillshots


I remember old Ryze. But I also had no one directing me on what to do.

My brother introduced me to the game, but he stopped playing shortly after. I was completely on my own to figure stuff out.

Also, that wasn't the point of my little anecdote lol.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
June 25 2013 18:49 GMT
#4010
First champ I ever played was Morgana. Played her vs bots with a friend (we both had DotA experience), was a bunch of fun. Subsequently moved on to Teemo in normals, still a spawn of Satan today.
cool beans
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 18:50:40
June 25 2013 18:50 GMT
#4011
I went 39-2 on I think my first or second game with MF (I think I still have the screenshot somewhere).....but I also remember trying to play ezreal and completely failing and trashing the champ because it was too hard to hit skillshots while trying to do other stuff. Then once you get past like extreme nub level Ad carries become really shitty because everyone with a bruiser just jumps on you and destroys you because you are bad at kiting and positioning and also bad enough at CSing to not take advantage of multiplicative scaling with crit. I played a ton of Veigar and Kass and Ryze and did well because everyone walks into your stun ring even if you miss it up until like gold, and teleport+spam QE is easy and nobody knows how to punish kass or Ryze early.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 25 2013 18:50 GMT
#4012
Cho is actually really easy to mid with, and also really fun to play. All of my friends who I get into LoL, I recommend Cho Gath for sure. There's a lot of things you don't understand when you're low, but you can understand walking around like you're Godzilla.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
captharlock
Profile Joined September 2010
United States223 Posts
June 25 2013 18:51 GMT
#4013
First Champ I played was Miss Fortune. I proceeded to do badly with her against bots. My friend introduced me to the game he was already level 17 when I started playing.
Baneslayer Angel could be hungover, slightly blind, and texting while flying and still win the game
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 18:55:13
June 25 2013 18:51 GMT
#4014
On June 26 2013 03:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Cho is actually really easy to mid with, and also really fun to play. All of my friends who I get into LoL, I recommend Cho Gath for sure. There's a lot of things you don't understand when you're low, but you can understand walking around like you're Godzilla.


I played only cho till lvl 20 excluding first game(jax) :D.

http://op.gg/mmr/ This is kinda interesting but dunno if accurate.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
June 25 2013 18:58 GMT
#4015
On June 26 2013 03:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Cho is actually really easy to mid with, and also really fun to play. All of my friends who I get into LoL, I recommend Cho Gath for sure. There's a lot of things you don't understand when you're low, but you can understand walking around like you're Godzilla.

This is the truth.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 19:00:41
June 25 2013 18:58 GMT
#4016
On June 26 2013 03:51 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 03:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Cho is actually really easy to mid with, and also really fun to play. All of my friends who I get into LoL, I recommend Cho Gath for sure. There's a lot of things you don't understand when you're low, but you can understand walking around like you're Godzilla.


I played only cho till lvl 20 excluding first game(jax) :D.

http://op.gg/mmr/ This is kinda interesting but dunno if accurate.


This woulda been nice to see before I got sucked into Diamond5 elo hell + Show Spoiler +
YEAH THAT'S RIGHT I SAID IT
and subsequently trashed my MMR through trolling with friends, bad teammates, and playing like shit
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 25 2013 19:01 GMT
#4017
On June 26 2013 03:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 03:51 nafta wrote:
On June 26 2013 03:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Cho is actually really easy to mid with, and also really fun to play. All of my friends who I get into LoL, I recommend Cho Gath for sure. There's a lot of things you don't understand when you're low, but you can understand walking around like you're Godzilla.


I played only cho till lvl 20 excluding first game(jax) :D.

http://op.gg/mmr/ This is kinda interesting but dunno if accurate.


This woulda been nice to see before I got sucked into Diamond5 elo hell and subsequently trashed my MMR through trolling with friends, bad teammates, and playing like shit + Show Spoiler +
YEAH THAT'S RIGHT I SAID IT


D5(maybe 4) is the real elo hell everyone who has been there knows this.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
June 25 2013 19:04 GMT
#4018
Haha, I found one of the screenshots from one of my first games:

[image loading]

haha poned
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 19:06:05
June 25 2013 19:05 GMT
#4019
On June 26 2013 04:04 sob3k wrote:
Haha, I found one of the screenshots from one of my first games:

+ Show Spoiler [Ancient History] +
[image loading]


haha poned


It never ceases to amaze me how much LoL's UI has improved since those days.

Edit: Also, wtf is that MS Paint scribble? SHOW US.
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Last Edited: 2013-06-25 19:05:58
June 25 2013 19:05 GMT
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On June 26 2013 03:12 Diamond wrote:
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On June 26 2013 03:10 Vanka wrote:
The chinese server just got 3.8, and hasn't discovered jungle nunu yet. These are good times, my friends.


Don't worry Gold V in NA hasn't even figured it out yet. Always not banned, always not picked. Good times.


Always not, always not. I think there is a way to say that with one word. What was it. I can't remember. Gosh I'm so bad at this. I never remember words when I really need to.
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