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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On June 26 2013 03:10 Vanka wrote: The chinese server just got 3.8, and hasn't discovered jungle nunu yet. These are good times, my friends. Don't worry Gold V in NA hasn't even figured it out yet. Always not banned, always not picked. Good times. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 26 2013 03:04 sob3k wrote: ziggs simple? uhhhh, wtf? Like seriously he is one of the hardest AP's in LoL. He's 100% skillshot with extremely tricky to use escape/mobility and an extremely unforgiving positional minefield where if you use either of his two utility skills improperly in a situation you are completely fucked. He's also extremely reliant on his AA passive to be played decently, which requires even more positional skill and game knowledge to know when you can use safely. Maybe he looks simple if you just play him like hur dur throw da bombs, but you will get shit on against anyone past bronze. Ziggs took me like 20 games to get to the point where I felt acceptable on him, and like all I play is skillshotty mids which I can usually pick up in like 3 games, he's really really hard. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the question what would be a champ you would recommend for someone new? Ziggs is a fun champ who pretty much HURR DURR THROW DA BOMBS MENG at low level.I'd say bronze is pretty much new player.I still don't see what is so hard about using all your abilities in general direction of your opponents. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 26 2013 03:12 nafta wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the question what would be a champ you would recommend for someone new? Ziggs is a fun champ who pretty much HURR DURR THROW DA BOMBS MENG at low level.I'd say bronze is pretty much new player.I still don't see what is so hard about using all your abilities in general direction of your opponents. I mean, there's no sense in repeating what I've already said. But I strongly disagree that he is someone I would recommend to a newer mid player, so we'll leave it at that. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
You have very limited capability of anything complex at this point. Trying to get this guy to plant a mine, step on a certain area of it, and then reactivating it to escape is just not feasible when he's thinking ASDKLFH THIS GUY JUMPED ON ME. | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
She's not that hard to play, is pretty hard to gank with the shield and speed up, can initiate/win teamfights from a safe range, and rewards auto attacking (very important skill to learn !). She's the 1st champ I bought and it really helped me understand the game well. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On June 26 2013 03:09 Capped wrote: i think zigg's poke potential counteracts alot of the difficulty in his W/E. WITH mana regen (because god if he isnt the most mana hungry champ in the game i dont want to know who is) he can spam it every 4 seconds at incredible range if theres nothing blocking it and clear extremely quickly with it too :3 I dont find his escape to be all that difficult really, more complicated then everyone else though. Minefield is a complete cunt, but useful for escapes :3 It really doesn't. The thing is if you play him like that and just sit way back and spam Q you just don't do enough damage and he is basically an incredibly underwhelming version of any other poke champ. Its where he gets his shitty reputation because people never learn how to play him and just go around like "yeah im useless ziggs at 1300 range and if anyone manages to close on me I just rollover and die". Once you learn how to correctly kite with him and teamfight, his damage and dueling potential with passive and shit is really fucking strong but you have to lay everything down perfectly and his WE cd's are absurdly unforgiving. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 26 2013 02:54 jcarlsoniv wrote: And the slight buff to her Q explosion radius makes farming soooooo much more intuitive. Before it was very frustrating. It's still super annoying when a stray melee minion wanders in front of you just as you Q for the kill though. Is the LVL 2 All in as strong as I have been pretending? Or do people, not named Regi, just not know what the lvl 2 all in is? | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
 .But hey I am the guy who doesn't miss varus ults(3 if we don't count someone flashing out in 53 games yo) yet sucked at playing prenerf khazix. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On June 26 2013 03:20 mordek wrote: Who do you pick for jungle when you see enemy team selects Nunu? Someone with super clear speed? Nocturne. You just kill him if he invades : your Q allows you to run faster than him, and your W negates his only offensive spell. | ||
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
Also Tibbers pretty fun ability. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 26 2013 03:20 cLutZ wrote: Is the LVL 2 All in as strong as I have been pretending? Or do people, not named Regi, just not know what the lvl 2 all in is? I honestly haven't tried all-in at lvl 2. I have taken quite a few people down around lvl 3 because they think they can jump me and end up eating a whole lot of burst and get locked down by W. That's not to say I don't poke at lvl 2, but it's generally just posturing and establishing my position in lane. I usually get aggressive around 4 or 5 because Q really starts ramping up in damage. But I do still start Faeriex2 + 3pot, so idk. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 26 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote: I'm not sure you guys remember what being new is like, but EVERYTHING is hard. Like, 90% of your effort was spent trying to properly last hit, which you were utterly failing at, because you couldn't even get in RANGE to last hit. Also remember you have no runes or masteries to help with last hitting. Trying to last hit, figure out what abilities you have, how to use them, what the other guy in your lane does, what items to get... You have very limited capability of anything complex at this point. Trying to get this guy to plant a mine, step on a certain area of it, and then reactivating it to escape is just not feasible when he's thinking ASDKLFH THIS GUY JUMPED ON ME. o.O My very first LoL game straight off tutorial I went 17-2 as Sivir, I was solo mid and had enemy Gragas just basically walk into me, autoattacking minions, and dying over and over again, remember that clear as a day. Then I just stomped with Kassadin who was free until like 10, having like 5:1 average K/D. Everyone was godawful. Maybe it's different than it was in 2010 but I do remember how it was to be new very well <.< I didn't really pay any attention to enemy items or summoners apart from heal baits etc. It was just running around killing everything. I don't think farming really is that important if you're a beginner anyway, you can do so much better if you just concentrate on killing the enemies who never ward and always overextend. My new theory is that I play far better when I'm really hungry than when I'm not.(protip, try it) | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On June 26 2013 03:12 nafta wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the question what would be a champ you would recommend for someone new? Ziggs is a fun champ who pretty much HURR DURR THROW DA BOMBS MENG at low level.I'd say bronze is pretty much new player.I still don't see what is so hard about using all your abilities in general direction of your opponents. Out of literally every AP in the game I think you would have absolutely the least success using all your abilities in the general direction of enemies on Ziggs and maybe Syndra. Both of them have skillshots that are annoyingly easy to miss even at close range and do sustained damage that requires them to stay in danger for extended periods of time while kiting and using really high CD CC and utility to stay alive. They really play a lot like an AD carry except your AA is a skillshot. Annie/Veigar//Ryze are all champs which can have good results from just really low level play where you just use one combo on people. Also Xerath and LB can be played at a really low skill level and do good with maybe a tiny bit more experience. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On June 26 2013 03:29 Shikyo wrote: o.O My very first LoL game straight off tutorial I went 17-2 as Sivir, I was solo mid and had enemy Gragas just basically walk into me, autoattacking minions, and dying over and over again, remember that clear as a day. Then I just stomped with Kassadin who was free until like 10, having like 5:1 average K/D. Everyone was godawful. Maybe it's different than it was in 2010 but I do remember how it was to be new very well <.< I didn't really pay any attention to enemy items or summoners apart from heal baits etc. It was just running around killing everything. My new theory is that I play far better when I'm really hungry than when I'm not. Yeah Sivir. Who you can literally attack move and do well. I played Ashe and did just as well. And Kass is just spam everything into the same area where another guy is. What if you had tried to play Viktor or Ziggs your first game? | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
On June 26 2013 03:21 mr_tolkien wrote: Nocturne. You just kill him if he invades : your Q allows you to run faster than him, and your W negates his only offensive spell. How do you skill Noc in this situation? Pretty noob at him. Mid discussion: Just had my friend start LoL a couple weeks ago. He bought Cho, Brand, Anivia, and Lissandra with RP. I told him to try champs on new week but he insisted these were the champs he likes. /shrug. I explained a couple tricks and normal combos but then watched him miss all the cs and pick bad fights and stay way too long in lane etc. It doesn't matter too much if the player is committed and realizes he/she will suck but the more straightforward a kit is the better imo. (Annie, Ryze) | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 26 2013 03:33 Sandster wrote: Yeah Sivir. Who you can literally attack move and do well. I played Ashe and did just as well. And Kass is just spam everything into the same area where another guy is. What if you had tried to play Viktor or Ziggs your first game? No idea, those didn't exist and I've never played Ziggs. As Kassadin I did do some pretty elaborate plays on like my second day of LoL though, just because you start a new game doesn't mean you need to go fullretard and not use common sense. I think a bigger problems is all the people making new accounts. If everyone at the low levels were awful it'd be just as easy to get into the game as back then. Well, apart from the fact that there's like twice as many champions. Still, it's relatively simple to just look up their skills online and you get a decent idea in just a single game with a champion. I think if you practice properly you can get on a decent enough level in like a week in any game | ||
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