• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:15
CEST 00:15
KST 07:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview17Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7
Community News
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event13Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster12Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week4Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer12
StarCraft 2
General
How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Hybrid setting keep reverting. HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 27 (June 27-29) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event $200 Biweekly - StarCraft Evolution League #1 SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House
Brood War
General
Unit and Spell Similarities ASL20 Preliminary Maps BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ NaDa's Body
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague LB Final - Saturday 20:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL19] Grand Finals
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
NBA General Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Blog #2
tankgirl
Game Sound vs. Music: The Im…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 703 users

[Patch 3.08: Aatrox Patch] General Discussion - Page 198

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 196 197 198 199 200 380 Next
Interested in helping start an on-topic, serious League discussion thread? PM Neo to talk about how to get started.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 17:19:11
June 25 2013 17:16 GMT
#3941
I definitely don't think Karthus is the easiest mid to start out with. His playstyle is pretty different from most mids, and doesn't transfer well to others.

Lux is definitely a good one to learn because she's skillshot-based and forces you to have good positioning, both important skills to learn. Then if you learn a burst caster like Annie and a high-mobility one (Ahri, Diana, Kass) you'll be able to play a wide variety of styles and mids.

EDIT: I honestly think TF has one of the highest skill caps for a mid because choosing the right card in pressure situations take a lot of practice, and for a new(er) player it's very difficult to pick correct cards while doing everything else. You also lose the lane to...well, everyone. As a player you need to learn how to handle your lane first before trying to roam and gank.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 25 2013 17:17 GMT
#3942
TF and easy mid doesn't compute.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 25 2013 17:19 GMT
#3943
On June 26 2013 02:16 Sandster wrote:
I definitely don't think Karthus is the easiest mid to start out with. His playstyle is pretty different from most mids, and doesn't transfer well to others.

Lux is definitely a good one to learn because she's skillshot-based and forces you to have good positioning, both important skills to learn. Then if you learn a burst caster like Annie and a high-mobility one (Ahri, Diana, Kass) you'll be able to play a wide variety of styles and mids.

EDIT: I honestly think TF has one of the highest skill caps for a mid because choosing the right card in pressure situations take a lot of practice, and for a new(er) player it's very difficult to pick correct cards while doing everything else.


Lux's playstyle is also fairly different than a lot of mids. I mean, light binding similar to morg Q, shield is pretty unique, everything is skill shots, ult is on a negative 5 second CD.

It depends on if he's trying to learn the dynamics of mid, or if he's trying to learn a champ that has properties that tie into other champs.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 25 2013 17:20 GMT
#3944
Easy is subjective, since there are so many different playstyles that you can learn from mid.

If were to define it as non-complex mechanics, safe, scales well...
Probably Ryze/Morgana.

For a new player, I'd probably make them learn Orianna, as I think she's one of the most well-rounded mids with a skillset that carries over really well to other roles and champions.
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
June 25 2013 17:22 GMT
#3945
I wouldn't really say Oriannas ult is noob-friendly
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
June 25 2013 17:23 GMT
#3946
ryze is a no-brainer. very cheap, very safe, very strong.
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 17:25:02
June 25 2013 17:23 GMT
#3947
I guess it depends on you level but TF kit is very very strong if you can mimic better players well. Stun for pre 5 ganks mid, TP, global vision, and get stronger as game goes on also no bad MU. Morg, Ahri and Lux have bad MU and Morg and Lux requires excellent last hitting skills.

I mean learning mid for a level 1 player TF is hard but learning mid for a gold+ player Morg is so damn hard.

Statistically I am terrible mid but my TF, Zed, Karthus W/L ratios are still positive.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 17:25:17
June 25 2013 17:24 GMT
#3948
On June 26 2013 02:23 Perplex wrote:
ryze is a no-brainer. very cheap, very safe, very strong.


Right, but I'm not an asshole, so I like to pretend he doesn't exist.

On June 26 2013 02:23 Eppa! wrote:
I guess it depends on you level but TF kit is very very strong if you can mimic better players well. Stun for pre 5 ganks mid, TP, global vision, and get stronger as game goes on also no bad MU. Morg, Ahri and Lux have bad MU and Morg and Lux requires excellent last hitting skills.

I mean learning mid for a level 1 player TF is hard but learning mid for a gold+ player Morg is so damn hard.


wut
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 25 2013 17:24 GMT
#3949
Her ulti isn't the most important part of the kit though. You can win fights in lower leagues while missing ulti and just tossing lots of shields/balls. It's a strange ulti in that normally ultis do massive amounts of damage but hers doesn't really.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 25 2013 17:25 GMT
#3950
On June 26 2013 02:23 Perplex wrote:
ryze is a no-brainer. very cheap, very safe, very strong.


Ryze and Cass are kinda weird because you basically need to think/move like an AD carry to play them well.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 25 2013 17:28 GMT
#3951
Annie by far best suggestion if you want to learn mid. She can, kind of, assassinate. She can initiate team fights. She can counter-initiate. She can just dish out AoE damage to the enemy team.

All of the above are something that every other mid laner will do and I can't really think of another mid laner who can do all of that. Maybe Diana but her AoE damage is only on Q. Skills you learn playing Annie will transfer over to other mids and once you play with Annie's range playing with someone who has OP range will be such an awesome feeling.
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 17:31:21
June 25 2013 17:29 GMT
#3952
On June 26 2013 02:25 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 02:23 Perplex wrote:
ryze is a no-brainer. very cheap, very safe, very strong.


Ryze and Cass are kinda weird because you basically need to think/move like an AD carry to play them well.

Agreed, but I think the movement and control that you need to learn to get the most out of ryze translates well to almost every ranged champion (some just to a lesser extent), so he's just a really good champ to pick up when you're new.

Ryze is also a little bit more forgiving than cass/ADCs because he builds tanky and can also get away with running TP. You can get bullied out of lane and come right back with TP, or straight up lose lane and still turn the game around by TP'ing bot a couple times.

edit: yeah annie is a really good choice for learning mid too, forgot about her. So easy to CS and then ruin peoples day at 6
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
June 25 2013 17:31 GMT
#3953
I wouldnt really say TF is easy mid by any means, He takes some time to get used to, landing blue cards to recharge, red/wild cards combo and of course landing gold cards under heavy pressure. Plus he's pretty squishy, while his range isnt that great. But once you get the hang of it, the guy is incredible fun to play, and is very powerful.

Lux though on the other hand is a bit easier I feel. Laning is a lot about controlling space with lucent singularity use it to harass, and get easy last hits/clear waves, and it's got a nice range. Is a lot of fun too, but just a bit easier. Plus, lets not forget that awesome ulti.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
June 25 2013 17:32 GMT
#3954
The mids that were recommended to me when I first learned the game were Annie and Morg, for reasons already stated. The only thing "hard" about learning Morg in gold+ is dealing with her obnoxiously long cds if you're not used to them...

Ryze would be good if you were transitioning from an adc.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
June 25 2013 17:34 GMT
#3955
Annie is especially nice for people new to the game since she has that mechanic that rewards last hitting.
No I'm never serious.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 25 2013 17:36 GMT
#3956
Wait, what? Morg's ult does good damage. You just have to not be the guy who is like R>Zhonyas instantly and then you lose all your tethers because the other team's backline walks 2 steps back.
Freeeeeeedom
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
June 25 2013 17:38 GMT
#3957
When I 1st got Ori it was so weird to have to think of ball placement when trying to send it to a new location. I still don't quite have it down because too many times I send the ball somewhere but I wasn't in the right position so I had to walk forward before it cast. It is rather different from the other mids but I think mastering Ori would help with a lot of basics.
Never Knows Best.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 25 2013 17:39 GMT
#3958
I think Morg is a really good champion to learn if you need to improve on hitting skill shots. Her entire kit relies on her hitting Q so it's really punishing if you miss it.

Whereas a champion who is all skill shots like Lux can miss a spell and it's no biggie as long as she hits the rest of them.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 25 2013 17:42 GMT
#3959
He was probably talking about Lux, though?
Morg's has to be the most forgiving non-ult skillshot in the game for your opponent, long wind-up, animation immediatly betraying it, standard speed (compared to Thresh who has a long wind-up too but moves fast, for example) and non-pass-through.
1300 range ain't too shabby, though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
June 25 2013 17:44 GMT
#3960
On June 26 2013 02:34 Nytefish wrote:
Annie is especially nice for people new to the game since she has that mechanic that rewards last hitting.


Gotta agree. Considering most mages have ass auto attacks, Annie getting to use her q to last hit every other minion is really nice.

Plus she has a fairly simple playstyle. Only thing you need to watch out for when playing her is the spell count on passive.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Prev 1 196 197 198 199 200 380 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h 45m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 168
Livibee 117
ProTech72
StarCraft: Brood War
Aegong 73
NaDa 16
MaD[AoV]2
Dota 2
monkeys_forever462
capcasts170
League of Legends
Grubby4009
Dendi1873
JimRising 483
Counter-Strike
summit1g7893
FalleN 1357
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox252
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor410
Other Games
FrodaN3267
Mlord1460
fl0m717
ViBE92
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1582
EGCTV1456
BasetradeTV19
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta94
• Adnapsc2 36
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 30
• Michael_bg 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV887
League of Legends
• Doublelift3702
• Jankos1964
Other Games
• Scarra999
• imaqtpie798
Upcoming Events
SOOP
10h 45m
SHIN vs ByuN
HomeStory Cup
12h 45m
BSL: ProLeague
19h 45m
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV European League
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV European League
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
[ Show More ]
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Rose Open S1
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
HSC XXVII
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.