EPTAlso new Doran's Shield stronk. Against Elise she'll run herself oom while you're still basically topped off -- it makes weaving autos basically useless for her unless you have 0 trading potential (minions will almost certainly do more back than the auto).
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
Also new Doran's Shield stronk. Against Elise she'll run herself oom while you're still basically topped off -- it makes weaving autos basically useless for her unless you have 0 trading potential (minions will almost certainly do more back than the auto). | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On June 21 2013 15:58 AntiAntiHero wrote: Hi there, forgot I signed up with this website. Finally caught up with the General Discussion after a series of days, figured I'd pop in and say something. I'm a friend of onlywonderboy (if that counts for anything; the only community things I've learned through this thread so far are that Costcos are a heaven-sent gift and that you all really enjoy Pokemon) and decided to join this forum on his recommendation! I'm a low-Silver scrub who has spent most of his summer trying to battle out of Silver into Gold, with moderate success. Hoping to learn a thing or two from you guys. I've actually been keeping a journal with my ranked games and notes in it, in an attempt to better myself, and I think it's working. I store my game data, immediate impressions, and advice to myself in it after games, with intent to look back over notes in downtime. Has anyone tried something similar, to their success? I know watching replays are a popular way to improve, but I don't think my crappy HP laptop and inconsistent home internet would allow gaming and recording at the same time very well. I'm a little late to respond to this as well, but GUESS WHERE I WAS YESTERDAY + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/CtAJljQ.jpg) I told my wife why I was taking this picture and she thought it was funny. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
The girl or the camera shots of the girl? | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On June 21 2013 23:56 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm a little late to respond to this as well, but GUESS WHERE I WAS YESTERDAY + Show Spoiler + I told my wife why I was taking this picture and she thought it was funny. I am going to go this weekend and buy a whole pie. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On June 21 2013 22:17 jcarlsoniv wrote: Welcome AntiAntiHero - I like your attitude. I been a bit MIA lately (moving, outside stuff, playing other games) so I'm sure this has been covered... How are people reacting to the Doran's changes? The few games I've played, DRing + 2 pots seems the obvious choice (2 games as Annie, 1 as Zyra). I've running DRing and pots on Lissandra with decent success. I miss starting with a ward, but with Liss at least I have a built in escape. | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
Everyone still going Armor Pen for AD runes? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 21 2013 22:25 h3r1n6 wrote: It doesn't seem any good on most of the champs I play (Gragas, Diana, Ryze). Maybe on Lissandra/Ahri/Ori, but I got too used to having a lot of consumables. Boots+4 might be pretty good too, but I didn't have much time to experiment yet. Kind of match-up dependent, which is pretty good since there is some choice involved instead of always opening the same. On June 22 2013 00:19 onlywonderboy wrote: I've running DRing and pots on Lissandra with decent success. I miss starting with a ward, but with Liss at least I have a built in escape. It's kinda interesting. Since S3, people have become so reliant on potion/ward starts. This is something I never really developed. Sure, there are some champs I would run Flask on, or Faerie+consumables. But for the most part, I've been running Boots+3, just as I did S2. There are obviously the matchups where I'd have to start cloth+pots as well (vs assassins). Because of this, I think I'm quite comfortable starting with DRing+2. It fits my very aggressive laning style. The only thing I miss is the extra MS, but if I flash tibbas you, who cares if I'm a little bit slower? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
because thats all that happens when i play mid and i even buy wards sometimes | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:34 Slayer91 wrote: what happens if you have no wards and you get fucked by every damn j4 and lee in existence because thats all that happens when i play mid and i even buy wards sometimes It's because Soniv gots da moves. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:27 KillerSOS wrote: So what are the top AD Carries atm? The last time I played it was Sivir and Graves... yes it's been awhile. Everyone still going Armor Pen for AD runes? More of a "who's NOT picked right now?" Which is pretty much Corki and Sivir. Quinn is also more a niche or solo lane pick than a common adc you'll see. Draven, Caitlyn, Ez, Twitch, Varus, Vayne, MF, Trist, Kog, and Graves all have seen competitive play within the past 2 weeks. Right now you need to be either ban or survive Draven (which changes next patch), and expect to see a lot of blue Ezreal (CDR with Muramana and Iceborne Gauntlet), Caitlyn, and Varus in lane. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:36 Sandster wrote: More of a "who's NOT picked right now?" Which is pretty much Corki and Sivir. Quinn is also more a niche or solo lane pick than a common adc you'll see. Draven, Caitlyn, Ez, Twitch, Varus, Vayne, MF, Trist, Kog, and Graves all have seen competitive play within the past 2 weeks. Right now you need to be either ban or survive Draven (which changes next patch), and expect to see a lot of blue Ezreal (CDR with Muramana and Iceborne Gauntlet), Caitlyn, and Varus in lane. More or less, ADC balance has come along way from the League of Ezreal. There hasn't been very much Ashe play that I know of, but her laning in 3.8 has improved (tough to manage the passive however), so you may start seeing some more Ashe. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:34 Slayer91 wrote: what happens if you have no wards and you get fucked by every damn j4 and lee in existence because thats all that happens when i play mid and i even buy wards sometimes I hate J4 and Rammus so much when I play mid (read: Viktor)... Maokai was my bane in s2 though, more popular than J4 is atm and you couldn't really start with wards since everyone started boots+3 and Viktor really needs the MS to force trades with his 600 range Q. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:34 Slayer91 wrote: what happens if you have no wards and you get fucked by every damn j4 and lee in existence because thats all that happens when i play mid and i even buy wards sometimes Over 1000 games played as mid, you start to develop a 6th sense. Either by enemy laner posturing, general knowledge of enemy gank timings/paths, or the sheer fact that the enemy jungler hasn't shown up anywhere yet, you begin to figure out when you might be in danger. Sure, there are still times I get surprised (happens more often after I take breaks and when I'm not thinking as much). But I've always been a very aggressive laner. This works two-fold: -The enemy jungler camps me. Yes, it sucks. But I trust myself to get out of these situations more than I trust my teammates, so it's ok. If I play it right and succeed, then the enemy jungler wasted time. If I mess up, then hopefully my team is being successful elsewhere. -The enemy jungler ignores me. This means I can keep pressuring HARD. The more this happens, the more I can afford wards, and then if the enemy jungler decides to focus me, I can stay safe through that vision. It's all about how you work the situational advantage. And, of course, there are the times I get straight outplayed and I wallow in my sadness. On June 22 2013 00:40 Alaric wrote: I hate J4 and Rammus so much when I play mid (read: Viktor)... Maokai was my bane in s2 though, more popular than J4 is atm and you couldn't really start with wards since everyone started boots+3 and Viktor really needs the MS to force trades with his 600 range Q. I loved (and still love) playing against Mao as Annie or Viktor. With Annie, I get a stun ready (3 or 4 charges) and bait the Mao gank. With Viktor, I get W earlier. All you do is over extend a little, wait for Mao root, and flash under tower. Stun him and watch him cry. This happens more often than I'm sure enemies care to admit. The only time I'm afraid of Mao is if I'm laning against Ryze. Ryze flash+W into Mao gank is completely unavoidable. To be honest, I just ban Ryze lol | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: It's kinda interesting. Since S3, people have become so reliant on potion/ward starts. This is something I never really developed. Sure, there are some champs I would run Flask on, or Faerie+consumables. But for the most part, I've been running Boots+3, just as I did S2. There are obviously the matchups where I'd have to start cloth+pots as well (vs assassins). Because of this, I think I'm quite comfortable starting with DRing+2. It fits my very aggressive laning style. The only thing I miss is the extra MS, but if I flash tibbas you, who cares if I'm a little bit slower? The fact you have been able to get away without a ward for so long blows my mind. If I'm mid and I see the enemy doesn't have a ward I just tell my Jungler and if they have half a brain it's almost always a kill (or at least a burned Flash). | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
As a jungler, I knew the pressure mid and the "overextension" is going to draw the enemy jungler mid. Therefore, if I'm not ganking another lane early, I farm wraiths/wolves and back around mid or am in the area generally waiting for the countergank. After I base I will always buy a ward for mid so mid can continue to exert pressure mid, and we can ward more aggressively as a result. As a top lane, it's also awesome because it means I can push aggressively too. Nothing is worse top than having a jungler who camps you and your team not having any map pressure anywhere else, so you can't push towers or take dragon. When both solo lanes are aggressive it forces their jungler to make a tough choice on which lane to help, and it also lets the entire top half of the map to be aggressively warded which makes it even harder for them. I do think how you play mid early depends on how much faith you have in your jungler. Baiting their jungler mid for a 2v2 countergank is brutal for them. EDIT: outside of mids with on-demand cc (like Ryze), it's pretty tough to gank a mid laner with boots start that isn't mentally deficient in positioning. For example if you are blue side and you know the other team started blue, stay near the top half of your lane for a while. Once you know he's not ganking level 2, you move to the bot half of your lane since he's top jungle. If they try to gank you just run away with faster MS. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:56 Sandster wrote: I do think how you play mid early depends on how much faith you have in your jungler. Baiting their jungler mid for a 2v2 countergank is brutal for them. Especially if you play Annie as much as Soniv does. Those level 1-6 2v2s are one of Annie's strengths. | ||
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Kyrie
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:59 TheYango wrote: Especially if you play Annie as much as Soniv does. Those level 1-6 2v2s are one of Annie's strengths. =D But yeah, Sandster is right. Sometimes I put too much faith in my own jungler and end up 1v2ing when I thought he was gonna counter gank. Saddest feeling ever lol. | ||
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Sandster
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