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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 20 2013 03:59 Sponkz wrote: How are you gonna be in 2 places at the same time? Well maybe you can not help jungler?I dunno just not taking such a big advantage seems kind of a waste to me lol. I mean top lanes start with wards most of the time anyway.Until they stop why shouldn't bot just take the advantage? | ||
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Spaiku
Spain1114 Posts
On June 20 2013 03:59 Sponkz wrote: How are you gonna be in 2 places at the same time? You don't need to if you are blue side and your jungler starts blue buff, mid can help with red if not | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On June 20 2013 03:56 Flakes wrote: I was going to say something about how it's worth missing a creep to make sure your jungler has more health blah blah But then I got demolished toplane by a Riven that started red elixir after I missed a creep to help jungler  Like I mentioned earlier, there are quite a few top lane matchups that you really want to hit 2 first. Before this patch you could afford a smiteless leash by sharing wolf exp, but now you'll miss out on exp. If you're on the receiving end of being down a level in some matchups you have to stay really really far back to avoid dying or losing 60+% of your hp, miss out on cs and possibly exp, and hit level 2 up to 20+ seconds after the other guy. It can really set you behind, especially if it's a matchup you need to keep wave pushed to avoid harass at your tower. By the way, bot still can do golems and miss only ~2 cs, so that problem isn't fixed at all. But most don't know that yet so starting red buff on blue side is generally safe. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On June 20 2013 03:53 Sponkz wrote: No, they spawn at 1.55 now, so the only thing to do is helping the jungler. I ment still like even after the jungle change. becuase they dont miss much. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On June 20 2013 04:02 Spaiku wrote: You don't need to if you are blue side and your jungler starts blue buff, mid can help with red if not I rarely see any start blue buff on blue side nowadays. And if mid helps out on red with smiteless, he will lose xp. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On June 20 2013 03:55 Slayer91 wrote: camping the brush oldschool tactics huehue honestly camping river brush as blueside doesn't seem so bad, a good chunk of purple side botlanes take the lazy way through the river instead of the long way through lane. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 20 2013 04:05 Sponkz wrote: I rarely see any start blue buff on blue side nowadays. And if mid helps out on red with smiteless, he will lose xp. Why does the jungler on blue side HAVE TO get red smiteless?I don't understand.I mean purple will get smiteless blue>red>top like 99% of games so at least half of the games it shouldn't be worth going since you are weaker 2v2 or your top is getting pushed or he has ward or w/e the reason?Can't you start blue so your bot has an advantage over theirs? | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On June 20 2013 04:10 nafta wrote: Why does the jungler on blue side HAVE TO get red smiteless?I don't understand.I mean purple will get smiteless blue>red>top like 99% of games so at least half of the games it shouldn't be worth going since you are weaker 2v2 or your top is getting pushed or he has ward or w/e the reason?Can't you start blue so your bot has an advantage over theirs? It just creates alot of opportunities for ganks in the solo lanes, because they are lvl 3 at the moment people will ding lvl 2. Idk, you could probably start blue, but i have yet to see someone actually do it, because people just prefer that route (talking at least 90% of all the junglers i see). | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 20 2013 04:15 Sponkz wrote: It just creates alot of opportunities for ganks in the solo lanes, because they are lvl 3 at the moment people will ding lvl 2. Idk, you could probably start blue, but i have yet to see someone actually do it, because people just prefer that route (talking at least 90% of all the junglers i see). Guess your mmr is a lot higher(mine is garbage to be honest lol) because I am in same league but junglers start blue really often.The golems pressure bot really hard though.When you take them it's really easy to abuse the extra xp and win lane just because of it.I know it's pretty selfish no need to tell me ;D.If a jungler asks nicely for a smiteless red I'll help but generally they just let me get golems. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
On June 20 2013 03:59 nafta wrote: How do you people still not understand that you can do golems and not lose anything bot?Really?lol you lose more than you gain doing golems since you will lose creeps and also all momentum because they can push lane and whatever xp advantage is pretty much nullified + you lose hp so you're behind in trades if you don't somehow hit a lvl 2 all in that works | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 20 2013 04:28 Slayer91 wrote: you lose more than you gain doing golems since you will lose creeps and also all momentum because they can push lane and whatever xp advantage is pretty much nullified + you lose hp so you're behind in trades if you don't somehow hit a lvl 2 all in that works No?You lose only 1 melee worth of xp.Sometimes you might lose the gold from the 2-nd creep at worst.The other bot lane can come faster than you and push ONLY if they don't help jungler.And if they don't you still get more xp when the lane balances which results in faster lvl 3 at worst.You could get a faster lvl 2 with some combos as well easily. Not to mention if they push you won't lose any creeps as well. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On June 20 2013 04:23 Dusty wrote: Can Shaco smite baron from behind to get 20% increased smite damage? 99% sure no, because true damage isn't affected by sources of damage buffs/debuffs. Anyway check this out (turn on captions): http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1go5o3/genja_love_your_support_so_they_dont_leave_your/ A couple things I found interesting: -Genja says the triple Doran Blade build is situational and itemization is dependent game-by-game, which everyone here would agree with, but of course he builds BT->LW->GA every single game without fail. -He agrees that he has the best positioning for an adc, evidenced by his low death count. We all know that low deaths =/= good positioning (hi cop). | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On June 20 2013 04:47 cLutZ wrote: Are solo lane ganks really that much stronger than botlane at the lvl 3 timing? I feel like they are stronger most of the time... Junglers usually take their damage abilities levels 1-2 and gap closer at 3, so it's an optimal time to gank. Meanwhile 2v1 (one of whom has a huge advantage in level) is much easier than 3v2, especially given how many melee and gap closers / ccs are available top lane. Bot lane is also warded 95+% of the time when they see you start blue. Trying to bypass the ward AND negate the ranged gap in bot lane and exhaust+cc that supports have turns into a very low level 3 kill rate bot lane, compared to ganking top. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On June 20 2013 04:47 Sandster wrote: 99% sure no, because true damage isn't affected by sources of damage buffs/debuffs. Anyway check this out (turn on captions): http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1go5o3/genja_love_your_support_so_they_dont_leave_your/ A couple things I found interesting: -Genja says the triple Doran Blade build is situational and itemization is dependent game-by-game, which everyone here would agree with, but of course he builds BT->LW->GA every single game without fail. -He agrees that he has the best positioning for an adc, evidenced by his low death count. We all know that low deaths =/= good positioning (hi cop). pretty sure the +5% dmg below 50% hp from offensive mastery effects smite dmg | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On June 20 2013 04:56 kongoline wrote: pretty sure the +5% dmg below 50% hp from offensive mastery effects smite dmg From the wiki: "True damage is not amplified by the masteries Havoc or Executioner" | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On June 20 2013 04:47 Sandster wrote: 99% sure no, because true damage isn't affected by sources of damage buffs/debuffs. Anyway check this out (turn on captions): http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1go5o3/genja_love_your_support_so_they_dont_leave_your/ A couple things I found interesting: -Genja says the triple Doran Blade build is situational and itemization is dependent game-by-game, which everyone here would agree with, but of course he builds BT->LW->GA every single game without fail. -He agrees that he has the best positioning for an adc, evidenced by his low death count. We all know that low deaths =/= good positioning (hi cop). I just spent a good deal of time looking up what "=/=" means. Stupid Google, taking it literally. In my opinion, "positioning" is extremely hard to define since it encompasses so much. | ||
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