On June 20 2013 02:01 Sufficiency wrote:
Do you guys still "leash" blue as mid laner? It feels so pointless now that the jungle spawn timers have changed...

I do... getting a smiteless is huge on the jungler because of the changed EXP values. If they know you didn't do smiteless, and the next buff gets stolen, the jungler is set back really far.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

June 19 2013 17:03 GMT

#2333

On June 20 2013 02:02 kainzero wrote:

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I do... getting a smiteless is huge on the jungler because of the changed EXP values. If they know you didn't do smiteless, and the next buff gets stolen, the jungler is set back really far.

Yea but often I can barely do 100 damage on it.... at the cost of possibly missing one minion.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

June 19 2013 17:09 GMT

#2334

On June 20 2013 02:03 Sufficiency wrote:

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Yea but often I can barely do 100 damage on it.... at the cost of possibly missing one minion.

I usually throw out one spell and a couple AA if I'm ranged, depends on how much Top helps. Giving smiteless > 1 or 2 minions from my experience.

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

June 19 2013 17:10 GMT

#2335

Depends on matchups.If it's a farm lane it's no biggie but vs assassins you just really can't afford to miss out on xp :/.

AsnSensation

Germany24009 Posts

June 19 2013 17:12 GMT

#2336

putting 2 auto attacks on it is always worth, since you won't miss any creeps but for the smiteless leash I hold bot/top responsible.

KissBlade

United States5718 Posts

June 19 2013 17:22 GMT

#2337

I play Diana mid and Eve jungle really often. On blue side, I always assist with leash not (which slows me down a lot more than one creep, often it's two cs of xp because I'm melee) I wouldn't do it in premade 5 but in solo q it tells your jungler that you're not simply saying "f u" which makes him a lot more likely to return the favor with blue donations, etc.

ComaDose

Canada10357 Posts

June 19 2013 17:24 GMT

#2338

How bad/valid is it that my jungle route with almost all my junglers is the same on both sides?

smiteless leash bot -> top buff camp -> gank top / mid / goto opponents top buff camp
I understand the new jungle is lucritive enough that you never have to leave and after my first offensive move ill clear the small camps a few times. But its so easy to get lvl3 quickly compared to lane, and if they dont get a smiteless on purple side blue you can usually kill their jungler at their red.
I also feel better about getting bottom to hard leash red on blue side now that golems spawn later >.<

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

June 19 2013 17:26 GMT

#2339

On June 20 2013 02:24 ComaDose wrote:
How bad/valid is it that my jungle route with almost all my junglers is the same on both sides?

smiteless leash bot -> top buff camp -> gank top / mid / goto opponents top buff camp
I understand the new jungle is lucritive enough that you never have to leave and after my first offensive move ill clear the small camps a few times. But its so easy to get lvl3 quickly compared to lane, and if they dont get a smiteless on purple side blue you can usually kill their jungler at their red.
I also feel better about getting bottom to hard leash red on blue side now that golems spawn later >.<

Honestly it's worse since before you could just get them and help now instead you waste time doing them :D.

I always ask junglers to just start blue but I get why it can be annoying for them.Hope riot just makes golems spawn at 2:05 so you can just help the jungler without losing the half level you get for free.

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

June 19 2013 17:32 GMT

#2340

On June 20 2013 02:01 Sufficiency wrote:
Do you guys still "leash" blue as mid laner? It feels so pointless now that the jungle spawn timers have changed...

The jungle spawn timers for buff camps are identical to what they were before. When it comes to leashing buffs nothing meaningful has changed.