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Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 17:41:19
June 19 2013 17:36 GMT
#2341
On June 20 2013 02:32 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 02:01 Sufficiency wrote:
Do you guys still "leash" blue as mid laner? It feels so pointless now that the jungle spawn timers have changed...


The jungle spawn timers for buff camps are identical to what they were before. When it comes to leashing buffs nothing meaningful has changed.


IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD

EDIT: A big difference I've noticed is that blue buff start blue side is tougher on the top laner, since he can't split wolf exp. If he gives you a smiteless leash he'll miss some cs and exp compared to the other guy, and a lot of top lane matchups lets you take advantage of hitting 2 first.

As a jungler I like starting red now for this reason, and also so I can red->blue and then choose between gank, invade, or clearing more. (Assuming bot didn't know they could still do golems, hue hue hue.)
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 19 2013 17:38 GMT
#2342
On June 20 2013 02:36 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 02:32 Seuss wrote:
On June 20 2013 02:01 Sufficiency wrote:
Do you guys still "leash" blue as mid laner? It feels so pointless now that the jungle spawn timers have changed...


The jungle spawn timers for buff camps are identical to what they were before. When it comes to leashing buffs nothing meaningful has changed.


IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD

EDIT: A big difference I've noticed is that blue buff start blue side is tougher on the top laner, since he can't split wolf exp. If he gives you a smiteless leash he'll miss some cs and exp compared to the other guy.


And the other top can grab the small golem for that 1 creep xp for free.OP
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 19 2013 17:43 GMT
#2343
Can't you share Blue XP?
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 19 2013 17:44 GMT
#2344
jungle won't hit 2 if you share Buff Xp.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 17:45:03
June 19 2013 17:44 GMT
#2345
Your jungler won't hit 2 if you share exp.

EDIT: Freaking ninjas.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 19 2013 17:58 GMT
#2346
On June 20 2013 02:32 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 02:01 Sufficiency wrote:
Do you guys still "leash" blue as mid laner? It feels so pointless now that the jungle spawn timers have changed...


The jungle spawn timers for buff camps are identical to what they were before. When it comes to leashing buffs nothing meaningful has changed.

No there is something different. Back then you would be helping with wolves anyway so depending on your jungler's speed you might be missing something regardless. Just staying to cast one E as Mordekaiser at the risk of missing 1-2 minions seems pointless.
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 19 2013 18:02 GMT
#2347
well melees are the exception, where you obviously don't give Autoattack leashs but if you cast 1 E on Morde and miss creeps you're doing something wrong unless you are terrible unlucky with minionfocus, you will never miss the xp though.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
June 19 2013 18:03 GMT
#2348
Yeah, I like starting the buff on my my ad+support side so no one misses exp, and I can get a smiteless leash -> 2nd buff -> gank top/mid who are at full strength since they lost no lane exp.

Given how common it is for purple side to smiteless blue -> red -> gank top it also lets your top laner (on blue side) to play aggressively knowing he's got a countergank coming.
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
June 19 2013 18:03 GMT
#2349
I'm not sure how I feel about this whole new "Riven can jump walls" thing.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 18:26:53
June 19 2013 18:26 GMT
#2350
On June 20 2013 03:02 AsnSensation wrote:
well melees are the exception, where you obviously don't give Autoattack leashs but if you cast 1 E on Morde and miss creeps you're doing something wrong unless you are terrible unlucky with minionfocus, you will never miss the xp though.


And that one E does much more than anyone realizes. It may not be quite as insanely helpful as the early days of leashing, but it still does more than you know.

In any case, the cost of leashing hasn't increased, and the value of a Smiteless leash certainly hasn't decreased.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
June 19 2013 18:30 GMT
#2351
On June 20 2013 03:03 upperbound wrote:
I'm not sure how I feel about this whole new "Riven can jump walls" thing.

It's not new, just hard to do in actual play.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 19 2013 18:32 GMT
#2352
On June 20 2013 03:26 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 03:02 AsnSensation wrote:
well melees are the exception, where you obviously don't give Autoattack leashs but if you cast 1 E on Morde and miss creeps you're doing something wrong unless you are terrible unlucky with minionfocus, you will never miss the xp though.


And that one E does much more than anyone realizes. It may not be quite as insanely helpful as the early days of leashing, but it still does more than you know.

In any case, the cost of leashing hasn't increased, and the value of a Smiteless leash certainly hasn't decreased.


exactly, depending on what kind of bot combo and jungler you have and the time it takes to get that buff low, ad+supp may or may not lose the first few creeps worth of xp
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
June 19 2013 18:39 GMT
#2353
On June 20 2013 03:32 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 03:26 Seuss wrote:
On June 20 2013 03:02 AsnSensation wrote:
well melees are the exception, where you obviously don't give Autoattack leashs but if you cast 1 E on Morde and miss creeps you're doing something wrong unless you are terrible unlucky with minionfocus, you will never miss the xp though.


And that one E does much more than anyone realizes. It may not be quite as insanely helpful as the early days of leashing, but it still does more than you know.

In any case, the cost of leashing hasn't increased, and the value of a Smiteless leash certainly hasn't decreased.


exactly, depending on what kind of bot combo and jungler you have and the time it takes to get that buff low, ad+supp may or may not lose the first few creeps worth of xp




Start red on blue side, blue on purple side. Have the adc help untill 02.00 this will give him enough time to never miss a cs. Meanwhile the support helps lowering the buff before heading bot.

This is also smart, because your adc will hit lvl 2 before the enemy if they both help and arrive at the same time.
hi
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 19 2013 18:51 GMT
#2354
On June 20 2013 03:39 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 03:32 AsnSensation wrote:
On June 20 2013 03:26 Seuss wrote:
On June 20 2013 03:02 AsnSensation wrote:
well melees are the exception, where you obviously don't give Autoattack leashs but if you cast 1 E on Morde and miss creeps you're doing something wrong unless you are terrible unlucky with minionfocus, you will never miss the xp though.


And that one E does much more than anyone realizes. It may not be quite as insanely helpful as the early days of leashing, but it still does more than you know.

In any case, the cost of leashing hasn't increased, and the value of a Smiteless leash certainly hasn't decreased.


exactly, depending on what kind of bot combo and jungler you have and the time it takes to get that buff low, ad+supp may or may not lose the first few creeps worth of xp

Start red on blue side, blue on purple side. Have the adc help untill 02.00 this will give him enough time to never miss a cs. Meanwhile the support helps lowering the buff before heading bot.

This is also smart, because your adc will hit lvl 2 before the enemy if they both help and arrive at the same time.

but does bot still prefer to start golems?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
June 19 2013 18:53 GMT
#2355
No, they spawn at 1.55 now, so the only thing to do is helping the jungler.
hi
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 19 2013 18:55 GMT
#2356
camping the brush oldschool tactics huehue
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
June 19 2013 18:56 GMT
#2357
I was going to say something about how it's worth missing a creep to make sure your jungler has more health blah blah
But then I got demolished toplane by a Riven that started red elixir after I missed a creep to help jungler
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 19 2013 18:58 GMT
#2358
you should nevre miss a creep

jungles can usually smite blue nowadays and do small camps before next smite cd, it'll delay ganks but unless other junglers intend to invade red (ban nunu) its pretty safe
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 19 2013 18:59 GMT
#2359
On June 20 2013 03:53 Sponkz wrote:
No, they spawn at 1.55 now, so the only thing to do is helping the jungler.


How do you people still not understand that you can do golems and not lose anything bot?Really?lol
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
June 19 2013 18:59 GMT
#2360
On June 20 2013 03:59 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 03:53 Sponkz wrote:
No, they spawn at 1.55 now, so the only thing to do is helping the jungler.


How do you people still not understand that you can do golems and not lose anything bot?Really?lol



How are you gonna be in 2 places at the same time?
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