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JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
June 06 2013 20:43 GMT
#5901
Some n00b annie comes in for a quick question on what to max. The knowledge bombs rain down from the skies.

Welcome to TL LoL.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 06 2013 20:45 GMT
#5902
On June 07 2013 05:43 JonGalt wrote:
Some n00b annie comes in for a quick question on what to max. The knowledge bombs rain down from the skies.

Welcome to TL LoL.


Hey man, I don't get many opportunities to show my knowledge on my mains. When those opportunities come up, I snap on them.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 06 2013 20:47 GMT
#5903
On June 07 2013 05:43 JonGalt wrote:
Some n00b annie comes in for a quick question on what to max. The knowledge bombs rain down from the skies.

Welcome to TL LoL.


was my guilty pleasure to take the role of n00b annie and actually have gameplay discussions about her instead of Skin-tier discussions! :D
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 06 2013 21:01 GMT
#5904
On June 07 2013 05:38 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 05:33 h3r1n6 wrote:
On June 07 2013 05:06 Sandster wrote:
On June 07 2013 05:03 Scip wrote:
You guys have problems with so many champions I dont understand. Kha'zix isnt even that dominant anymore. Ryze and Karthus are both strong generic picks but nothing exceptional.

Poppy, Shaco and Eve consume your soul though


Kha and Jayce are still monsters before they're nerfed. And I pointed out Ryze Karthus Nunu and Nasus not because they're strong picks, but because only masochists enjoy playing them. Kinda like Soraka.


Ryze and Karthus are awesome. Then again, I did play Terran in BW.


Wait what. Playing Terran in BW is like playing a whole team of Ryze and Karthus's while having to build stuff in your base too.

unless it's sk terran

then it's like playing a billion dianas
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 06 2013 21:02 GMT
#5905
On June 07 2013 05:03 Scip wrote:
You guys have problems with so many champions I dont understand. Kha'zix isnt even that dominant anymore. Ryze and Karthus are both strong generic picks but nothing exceptional.

Poppy, Shaco and Eve consume your soul though


I'm kind of surprised we don't see more complaints about Zac.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-06 21:10:24
June 06 2013 21:10 GMT
#5906
This proxy singed guy is quite entertaining. i started to like his stream.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
June 06 2013 21:14 GMT
#5907
On June 07 2013 06:02 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 05:03 Scip wrote:
You guys have problems with so many champions I dont understand. Kha'zix isnt even that dominant anymore. Ryze and Karthus are both strong generic picks but nothing exceptional.

Poppy, Shaco and Eve consume your soul though


I'm kind of surprised we don't see more complaints about Zac.


He's stupid to play against toplane. Trundle deals with him just fine but can be scary sometimes if you overstay. Chogath on the other hand just demolishes him.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 06 2013 21:14 GMT
#5908
On June 07 2013 06:02 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 05:03 Scip wrote:
You guys have problems with so many champions I dont understand. Kha'zix isnt even that dominant anymore. Ryze and Karthus are both strong generic picks but nothing exceptional.

Poppy, Shaco and Eve consume your soul though


I'm kind of surprised we don't see more complaints about Zac.


He is banned every game how can you complain about something you never see?
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 06 2013 21:16 GMT
#5909
Ever since Zac nerfs he hasn't been THAT scary. I mean he's still beast but not an exceptional one.

Jax is still beast too guys, that lvl6 allin is strong as all hell.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
June 06 2013 21:17 GMT
#5910
On June 07 2013 03:52 Vanka wrote:
Just take ad runes vs. Kass? (and the flat ad masteries if you're going 21/0/9). You have 600 aa range, you'll bully him out of lane on that alone. Hell, sometimes I go doran's blade doran's ring vs kass instead of 2x rings.

Damn this is old school lol, I remember when I started playing annie in season 1, the guides I looked up at lvl 20 debated whether q max or w max was right. W gives you more burst in every scenario, though if you can get another q off (not likely) you'll even it out.

leveling e will reduce your burst a lot, but do not, do not underestimate the free resists. If you're playing aggressive annie, you're going to run into the jungler sometime, and having a point in e will change you from a squishy champ to being surprisingly tanky, especially early on. 20 armor + armor yellows makes it much much harder for the jungler to kill you. If you're playing for the level 6 kill though, you don't really need it as much.


Hybrid pen reds, +3 AD masteries. Can even Ignite at level 1 for 5 more AD. Way more than enough to out-trade Kass every time
cool beans
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-06 21:20:06
June 06 2013 21:18 GMT
#5911
The funny thing is at Silver I elo the most common bans, in relative order, are Amumu, Blitz, Shen, Malphite, Hecarim, and Thresh.

Kha, Jayce, Diana, and Zac are almost never banned, even though they carry solo queue SO HARD. It reminds of last year when Morg hadn't really been ban-worthy for about 6 months at high elo or tournaments but was still a perma ban in Silver.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
June 06 2013 21:22 GMT
#5912
On June 07 2013 06:18 Sandster wrote:
The funny thing is at Silver I elo the most common bans, in relative order, are Amumu, Blitz, Shen, Malphite, Hecarim, and Thresh.

Kha, Jayce, Diana, and Zac are almost never banned, even though they carry solo queue SO HARD. It reminds of last year when Morg hadn't really been ban-worthy for about 6 months at high elo or tournaments but was still a perma ban in Silver.

Permabans take quite a long time to trickle down the ranks. Bans in <Plat are 90% for team morale rather than banning actual OP champions. Before a champ is a worthwhile ban, not only does it have to be strong, but everyone has to agree that it's strong(er than the current permabans).
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
June 06 2013 21:26 GMT
#5913
On June 07 2013 06:22 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 06:18 Sandster wrote:
The funny thing is at Silver I elo the most common bans, in relative order, are Amumu, Blitz, Shen, Malphite, Hecarim, and Thresh.

Kha, Jayce, Diana, and Zac are almost never banned, even though they carry solo queue SO HARD. It reminds of last year when Morg hadn't really been ban-worthy for about 6 months at high elo or tournaments but was still a perma ban in Silver.

Permabans take quite a long time to trickle down the ranks. Bans in <Plat are 90% for team morale rather than banning actual OP champions. Before a champ is a worthwhile ban, not only does it have to be strong, but everyone has to agree that it's strong(er than the current permabans).


It's hilarious because it's so true. This was my team chat one game:

oh god they have amumu
goddamn it why would you not ban amumu
<Amumu is support>
wtf he can even support? so op
<Our bot lane gets crushed>
@#$% first pick doesn't even ban amumu
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
June 06 2013 21:28 GMT
#5914
On June 07 2013 01:30 TheLink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 01:01 ticklishmusic wrote:
On June 07 2013 00:49 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On June 07 2013 00:48 thenexusp wrote:
On June 07 2013 00:44 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On June 07 2013 00:40 Capped wrote:
Shit hecarim is so good


I find him to be a stable choice.

The neigh-sayers will say he's too reliant on Elder Lizard, which is getting nerfed next patch...


Regardless of damage, I'd never horse around with his sustain and engage potential.


You have to pony up a lot of gold for items before he gets tanky enough to be strong though.


Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 00:59 Sandster wrote:
Not only was that a c-c-c-combo breaker, but you also dissed the pony. Hecarim has some of the most potential for cool and awesome skins.

http://browse.deviantart.com/?offset=10&view_mode=2&order=9&q=hecarim

Specifically, one that I'd never use but would strike fear in the hearts of many (myself included):

[image loading]



Riot's too shy to let Hecarim spread his wings and truly flutter.


Riot could never allow such a truly outrageous skin in their game.


On June 07 2013 02:14 wei2coolman wrote:
Man; I'm glad aphro is streaming again, shit is hilarious "yo, yo my neeg", as he grabs someone with blitz.


I always really enjoyed his stream. Very entertaining and flashy. It's great if you're that type of mood/streamer.


On June 07 2013 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 04:14 Frolossus wrote:
On June 07 2013 04:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 07 2013 04:06 Vanka wrote:
On June 07 2013 03:54 Frolossus wrote:
On June 07 2013 03:52 Vanka wrote:
Just take ad runes vs. Kass? (and the flat ad masteries if you're going 21/0/9). You have 600 aa range, you'll bully him out of lane on that alone. Hell, sometimes I go doran's blade doran's ring vs kass instead of 2x rings.

Damn this is old school lol, I remember when I started playing annie in season 1, the guides I looked up at lvl 20 debated whether q max or w max was right. W gives you more burst in every scenario, though if you can get another q off (not likely) you'll even it out.

leveling e will reduce your burst a lot, but do not, do not underestimate the free resists. If you're playing aggressive annie, you're going to run into the jungler sometime, and having a point in e will change you from a squishy champ to being surprisingly tanky, especially early on. 20 armor + armor yellows makes it much much harder for the jungler to kill you. If you're playing for the level 6 kill though, you don't really need it as much.

why do people claim its unlikely to get another Q off?
you lead with Q, then tibbers then W and Q again as they run
not difficult
if you can't manage that for whatever reason just Q them once as you are charging up your stun instead of on a minion before you go for the kill


If you lead in with q, it's easily flashable due to travel time of q, and you telegraph yourself pretty obviously when you're walking forward with a stun. That's the main reason people lead with tibbers. Annie's stun is 1.75 seconds, if you're going in for the surprise flash kill, they're going to flash after R-Q-W, and you won't get the second q off, whereas if you max w, you'll do more damage and more likely to kill them after they flash with ignite on them and a parting auto thrown their way. If their flash is down, then it's a different story of course.


To be honest, burning your Q stun to "telegraph what you're doing" and getting a flash isn't terrible. If you know they might flash your Q stun, then just hold onto tibbers. If they don't flash and you still think they might, walk up and W. Then rinse repeat on next stun. Eventually, they will HAVE to flash. Then it's easy pickings.

you could also Q them at 3 stacks or w/e then flash onto them and tibbers/w for the stun in the middle and easily secure the follow up Q


Absolutely. You can do this even with W max.

One of the best feelings is getting ignite and one last auto as they flash away past their turret, and just barely grabbing the kill because of your ludicrous range.


And the skip back. Can't forget that, it's the best part! Whenever it happens to me, that skip reminds me of someone teabagging me in CS and how ashamed and dirty I feel.

On June 07 2013 04:33 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 18:41 JonGalt wrote:
Also, how is Worlds gonna work?
Top seeds of NA, CN, TW, KR all seeded into quarterfinals. It's safe to assume all regions get at least 2 seeds (and KR gets 3). So that leaves 2 * EU + 2 * KR + NA + TW + CN = 7 teams for the group stages, which doesn't really work unless it is a big round robin where they do bo2 and take the top 4. I would like that and I think it would be the fairest. As long as they make the bottom 4 places different prize money, there won't be any meaningless games.


I'm not sure if anyone ever answered you but I was told that Riot is going to have a big LAN with 1 team from each of the non-sanctioned regions playing for the final worlds spot. IIRC, one team from Turkey, one team from Brazil, one team from South America, and one team from Australia.


They did, but thanks!

@soniv I am glad you did. It was awesome reading all that. The discussion really helped me shape how I should be approaching building champions. I was very much a cookie cutter lol player before I left for the peace corps. Hovered around 1100-1200 Elo and I am interested to see if 9 months of reading TL LoL (and not playing) can raise my Elo in a 2 week span (vacation wooooo). It's like taking a 24/7 class on League of Legends strategy and improving with fun break times for pokemon and assorted derails.

@Asn thanks for being a n00b Annie! I am too, but hopefully after this I won't be haha.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
June 06 2013 21:29 GMT
#5915
On June 07 2013 06:26 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 06:22 thenexusp wrote:
On June 07 2013 06:18 Sandster wrote:
The funny thing is at Silver I elo the most common bans, in relative order, are Amumu, Blitz, Shen, Malphite, Hecarim, and Thresh.

Kha, Jayce, Diana, and Zac are almost never banned, even though they carry solo queue SO HARD. It reminds of last year when Morg hadn't really been ban-worthy for about 6 months at high elo or tournaments but was still a perma ban in Silver.

Permabans take quite a long time to trickle down the ranks. Bans in <Plat are 90% for team morale rather than banning actual OP champions. Before a champ is a worthwhile ban, not only does it have to be strong, but everyone has to agree that it's strong(er than the current permabans).


It's hilarious because it's so true. This was my team chat one game:

oh god they have amumu
goddamn it why would you not ban amumu
<Amumu is support>
wtf he can even support? so op
<Our bot lane gets crushed>
@#$% first pick doesn't even ban amumu


That's when you bust out AD herperderper and throw wrenches of doom at everyone.
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 06 2013 21:29 GMT
#5916
Diana has like 5th lowest winrate in soloQ, idk why would you be afraid of her there.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
June 06 2013 21:38 GMT
#5917
Was curious why the Azubu news hasn't been on r/leagueoflegends, found out:
http://imgur.com/NDwZhoc
http://i.imgur.com/fiwpijV.png

That explains that.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
June 06 2013 21:42 GMT
#5918
This has probably been discussed in previous threads, but can someone help me in listing weaknesses of Jayce as a champion? Not how to beat him, but weaknesses in his kit/playstyle? I'm very convinced he has pretty much all the tools anyone could possibly need, other than he cant heal (so theres's one, I guess).
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 06 2013 21:46 GMT
#5919
three of my favorite heroes have low win rates. lissy, syndra, and now diana.

maybe they're there because i keep playing them.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
June 06 2013 21:46 GMT
#5920
Relatively squishy and mana hungry. No real ulti.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
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