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On June 07 2013 08:48 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles... Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong. Riot obviously is trying to kill off role ambiguous champions. How many are left? Elise and Zac? Unless you count a few of the durable-ish mages that can go mid/top.
Role ambiguous champions and champions with clear cut strengths and weaknesses make for interesting and deep drafting, something I kinda miss in League
On June 07 2013 08:51 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 08:48 cLutZ wrote:On June 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles... Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong. Riot obviously is trying to kill off role ambiguous champions. How many are left? Elise and Zac? Unless you count a few of the durable-ish mages that can go mid/top. Cho, Nunu, Kennen
Riot nerfed lane Nunu (be it top or support, they nerfed both on 2 occassions) a bit too much. Kennen is quite good, but I think the only reason Riot hasn't done anything to him in a while is because he's not very popular. Same with Cho.
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I don't get how to play against draven in lane, I tried picking Caitlyn but the other side had blue golem advantage and morgana support, draven just runs all over the place without a care in the world. Is the idea to just try to chip away at him without having to worry about his blood rush all in? I'm assuming why you pick Cait seeing how that's like her entire job in lane.
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Yea, Riot threw nunu out of lane, or at the very least is actively trying to.
I do like AD Kennen though. So sexy.
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On June 07 2013 09:18 cLutZ wrote:
Yea, Riot threw nunu out of lane, or at the very least is actively trying to.
I do like AD Kennen though. So sexy.
Yeah, kennens base attack speed is strong as hell.
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There are lots of role ambiguous champs in League, just not a lot who can do more than two roles. I'm not sure what you guys are harping on about this time.
In fact I take that back, there are quite a few who can do more than two roles.
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Nearly every jungler can top lane pretty well. Several junglers who can top lane can also mid lane (J4, Lee Sin, probably Zac).
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On June 07 2013 09:18 cLutZ wrote:
Yea, Riot threw nunu out of lane, or at the very least is actively trying to.
I do like AD Kennen though. So sexy.
they tried but failed
laning requires a bit more brain capacity than before though
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On June 07 2013 09:27 overt wrote:
Nearly every jungler can top lane pretty well. Several junglers who can top lane can also mid lane (J4, Lee Sin, probably Zac).
I'd argue quite a few of those can be decent supports too; bruiser support needs to be explored.
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On June 07 2013 04:31 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 04:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:On June 07 2013 04:00 Diamond wrote:
Tried Diamondprox style jungle eve last night. SOOOOOOOO strong. Had a game where we were getting ROFLstomped (like our top lane was 0-9 at 12 mins), and still ended the game 10-6-1 almost turning the game around multiple times. Going to have to do more with this, that burn from Lizard Elder is so nasty with Hate Spike. See, the thing with eve jungle isn't that it's amazingly good. It's just the simple fact that it's Eve. She forces every single enemy laner to play like a massive pussy, waste so much money on pink wards, and just gives your team a massive edge in lane by the simple virtue that you're Eve. That's it. There's nothing that redeeming about her otherwise. I think you and me may be playing different versions of Eve. The one I have been playing is a monster with a reliable low mana aoe clear, a free super chalice, invisibility, the ability despite being melee to stick on anyone at any time, a MASSIVE speed boost, a MASSIVE attack speed boost, a reset on the speed boost that makes it one of the best disengages a jungler has, scales with both AP and AD, AOE slow with % of current healh nuke, and makes insane use of Elder Lizard and Liandry's, etc...... She's got to be the best non tank jungler in the game with Diamondprox build.
When jungling Eve I noticed she just loses so much goddamn health on her first clear, and that spellvamp doesn't do anything for her. It's not even about the Incinerate passive: currently Elder Lizard's AD gives you as much damage on Q and 5 less on E than Spectral Wraith's AP, but your autos hit 45 damage harder, which scales with E's AS, and the 14 hp5 + less HP lost on camps since you clear much faster more than make up for the "lack" of spellvamp. Just a bit of math—Incinerate is annoying tho (esp. when your team decides to let the enemy push them from the first wave when you're Naut and gets shit for leash zzz).
On June 07 2013 06:42 Jojo131 wrote:
This has probably been discussed in previous threads, but can someone help me in listing weaknesses of Jayce as a champion? Not how to beat him, but weaknesses in his kit/playstyle? I'm very convinced he has pretty much all the tools anyone could possibly need, other than he cant heal (so theres's one, I guess).
Irelia's got too much stuff yo.
On June 07 2013 05:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 05:43 JonGalt wrote:
Some n00b annie comes in for a quick question on what to max. The knowledge bombs rain down from the skies.
Welcome to TL LoL. Hey man, I don't get many opportunities to show my knowledge on my mains. When those opportunities come up, I snap on them.
I saw a Viktor rush straight-up Morello+boots in one of my games. T_T
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Hearing stuff about changes to the Elder Lizard item but can't find it in writing. Anyone care to point in the right direction/tell me whats going on?
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On June 07 2013 08:53 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 08:48 cLutZ wrote:On June 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles... Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong. Riot obviously is trying to kill off role ambiguous champions. How many are left? Elise and Zac? Unless you count a few of the durable-ish mages that can go mid/top. Role ambiguous champions and champions with clear cut strengths and weaknesses make for interesting and deep drafting, something I kinda miss in League Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 08:51 iCanada wrote:On June 07 2013 08:48 cLutZ wrote:On June 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles... Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong. Riot obviously is trying to kill off role ambiguous champions. How many are left? Elise and Zac? Unless you count a few of the durable-ish mages that can go mid/top. Cho, Nunu, Kennen Riot nerfed lane Nunu (be it top or support, they nerfed both on 2 occassions) a bit too much. Kennen is quite good, but I think the only reason Riot hasn't done anything to him in a while is because he's not very popular. Same with Cho.
I think a lot of those roles ambiguity are slowly going away because of how Riot are designing champions; a lot of the champions being developed now are developed for a certain "role" in mind; rather than developing a champion and letting player base figure it out. You can definitely see this lopsided thing of how Riot reacted when people started playing zyra as support.
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On June 07 2013 08:07 Nos- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 07:53 c.Deadly wrote:On June 07 2013 07:46 WilDMousE wrote:On June 07 2013 07:32 thenexusp wrote:On June 07 2013 07:18 overt wrote:On June 07 2013 07:10 caelym wrote:the mods remove all whistleblowing threads since they inevitably lead to a "witch hunt." One of the annoying things about reddit. It's probably for the best though, at least in this situation. Until all the facts come out something that goes on reddit really does just lead to witch hunts and destroys people's careers. On June 07 2013 07:15 Amarok wrote:I think I must have missed this. What's the news? The tl;dr is that Azubu is probably a money laundering scam which is what people have speculated for almost a year. Link to TL post/thread While it's indeed pretty shady, reddit's known for going off the deep end way too quickly on these types of investigations *cough boston bombings cough* and it's probably prudent to hold posts about this off until hard evidence comes in. may I ask what did reddit investigated do on the boston bombings investigation? i'm sort-of intrigued. They basically indicted a guy who had been missing from university for several months (there was no evidence, but he was brown-skinned and that was good enough for reddit), which led to redditors harassing his family through twitter and a facebook page set up to locate him. The FBI ended up releasing photographs of the two suspects because the online speculation was getting way out of hand. Anyway, thanks TL LoL GD for teaching me how to play Annie I've been doing it so wrong. I've got my skins ready, proper runes and a proper skill order, time to tibbers some noobs I'm fairly sure the victim of Reddit's witchhunt committed suicide as a result
He was found floating dead in a river
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On June 07 2013 08:53 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 08:48 cLutZ wrote:On June 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles... Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong. Riot obviously is trying to kill off role ambiguous champions. How many are left? Elise and Zac? Unless you count a few of the durable-ish mages that can go mid/top. Role ambiguous champions and champions with clear cut strengths and weaknesses make for interesting and deep drafting, something I kinda miss in League Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 08:51 iCanada wrote:On June 07 2013 08:48 cLutZ wrote:On June 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles... Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong. Riot obviously is trying to kill off role ambiguous champions. How many are left? Elise and Zac? Unless you count a few of the durable-ish mages that can go mid/top. Cho, Nunu, Kennen Riot nerfed lane Nunu (be it top or support, they nerfed both on 2 occassions) a bit too much. Kennen is quite good, but I think the only reason Riot hasn't done anything to him in a while is because he's not very popular. Same with Cho.
I disagree heavily with Cho being good right now. He's nowhere near as strong as many other popular junglers or top laners and his mid lane is shot to hell with the advent of flask.
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On June 07 2013 09:27 overt wrote:
Nearly every jungler can top lane pretty well. Several junglers who can top lane can also mid lane (J4, Lee Sin, probably Zac).
Key words: "pretty well".
Olaf used to be strong jungle +top. Nunu Jungle + support. Ali Jungle + Support. Soraka/Janna/Lulu support + solo. Lee used to be strong jungle + top + mid.
I might be wrong, but I suspect that Riot wishes to pigeonhole champs for easier balancing.
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On June 07 2013 09:48 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 08:53 OutlaW- wrote:On June 07 2013 08:48 cLutZ wrote:On June 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles... Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong. Riot obviously is trying to kill off role ambiguous champions. How many are left? Elise and Zac? Unless you count a few of the durable-ish mages that can go mid/top. Role ambiguous champions and champions with clear cut strengths and weaknesses make for interesting and deep drafting, something I kinda miss in League On June 07 2013 08:51 iCanada wrote:On June 07 2013 08:48 cLutZ wrote:On June 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles... Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong. Riot obviously is trying to kill off role ambiguous champions. How many are left? Elise and Zac? Unless you count a few of the durable-ish mages that can go mid/top. Cho, Nunu, Kennen Riot nerfed lane Nunu (be it top or support, they nerfed both on 2 occassions) a bit too much. Kennen is quite good, but I think the only reason Riot hasn't done anything to him in a while is because he's not very popular. Same with Cho. I think a lot of those roles ambiguity are slowly going away because of how Riot are designing champions; a lot of the champions being developed now are developed for a certain "role" in mind; rather than developing a champion and letting player base figure it out. You can definitely see this lopsided thing of how Riot reacted when people started playing zyra as support.
Zyra was definitely a pleasant surprise in the support meta, but I find that almost all the other recently released champs dont seem too out of placed from their "intended" lanes/roles. I'd like to see more Quinn top/mid lane however as I feel it suits her better than bot adc.
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[B]On June 07 2013 09:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I disagree heavily with Cho being good right now. He's nowhere near as strong as many other popular junglers or top laners and his mid lane is shot to hell with the advent of flask.
I've been winning with cho lately because no-one in silver seems to recognise how weak he is. I scream at someone and they run away instead of blowing my ass up with whoever. The less popular he is the worse everyone plays against him so its all good for me.
That and getting rid of all the vorpal spike nonsense and going back to good old fashioned scream trading in the first place.
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On June 07 2013 09:57 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 09:48 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 08:53 OutlaW- wrote:On June 07 2013 08:48 cLutZ wrote:On June 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles... Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong. Riot obviously is trying to kill off role ambiguous champions. How many are left? Elise and Zac? Unless you count a few of the durable-ish mages that can go mid/top. Role ambiguous champions and champions with clear cut strengths and weaknesses make for interesting and deep drafting, something I kinda miss in League On June 07 2013 08:51 iCanada wrote:On June 07 2013 08:48 cLutZ wrote:On June 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles... Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong. Riot obviously is trying to kill off role ambiguous champions. How many are left? Elise and Zac? Unless you count a few of the durable-ish mages that can go mid/top. Cho, Nunu, Kennen Riot nerfed lane Nunu (be it top or support, they nerfed both on 2 occassions) a bit too much. Kennen is quite good, but I think the only reason Riot hasn't done anything to him in a while is because he's not very popular. Same with Cho. I think a lot of those roles ambiguity are slowly going away because of how Riot are designing champions; a lot of the champions being developed now are developed for a certain "role" in mind; rather than developing a champion and letting player base figure it out. You can definitely see this lopsided thing of how Riot reacted when people started playing zyra as support. Zyra was definitely a pleasant surprise in the support meta, but I find that almost all the other recently released champs dont seem too out of placed from their "intended" lanes/roles. I'd like to see more Quinn top/mid lane however as I feel it suits her better than bot adc.
Just proof that not even Riot knows how to create champions that fit a stale meta.
They need to go back to "cool" concept champions, and let us players figure out how it should be played.
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On June 07 2013 09:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 08:53 OutlaW- wrote:On June 07 2013 08:48 cLutZ wrote:On June 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles... Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong. Riot obviously is trying to kill off role ambiguous champions. How many are left? Elise and Zac? Unless you count a few of the durable-ish mages that can go mid/top. Role ambiguous champions and champions with clear cut strengths and weaknesses make for interesting and deep drafting, something I kinda miss in League On June 07 2013 08:51 iCanada wrote:On June 07 2013 08:48 cLutZ wrote:On June 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles... Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong. Riot obviously is trying to kill off role ambiguous champions. How many are left? Elise and Zac? Unless you count a few of the durable-ish mages that can go mid/top. Cho, Nunu, Kennen Riot nerfed lane Nunu (be it top or support, they nerfed both on 2 occassions) a bit too much. Kennen is quite good, but I think the only reason Riot hasn't done anything to him in a while is because he's not very popular. Same with Cho. I disagree heavily with Cho being good right now. He's nowhere near as strong as many other popular junglers or top laners and his mid lane is shot to hell with the advent of flask.
I find that his jungling is pretty stable, but as you mentioned many other picks outshine him in significant ways. As a tank/CC jungler though I find it hard to disagree on him being good though. I have less experience (none actually) with him in lane, but understand that at top lane he's just an immovable rock, without much desire to roam as opposed to staying in lane.
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On June 07 2013 09:52 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 08:53 OutlaW- wrote:On June 07 2013 08:48 cLutZ wrote:On June 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles... Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong. Riot obviously is trying to kill off role ambiguous champions. How many are left? Elise and Zac? Unless you count a few of the durable-ish mages that can go mid/top. Role ambiguous champions and champions with clear cut strengths and weaknesses make for interesting and deep drafting, something I kinda miss in League On June 07 2013 08:51 iCanada wrote:On June 07 2013 08:48 cLutZ wrote:On June 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles... Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong. Riot obviously is trying to kill off role ambiguous champions. How many are left? Elise and Zac? Unless you count a few of the durable-ish mages that can go mid/top. Cho, Nunu, Kennen Riot nerfed lane Nunu (be it top or support, they nerfed both on 2 occassions) a bit too much. Kennen is quite good, but I think the only reason Riot hasn't done anything to him in a while is because he's not very popular. Same with Cho. I disagree heavily with Cho being good right now. He's nowhere near as strong as many other popular junglers or top laners and his mid lane is shot to hell with the advent of flask.
I know you're a big Cho player and I hate playing him, so you probably know better, but are you sure that he isn't viable? CLG has ran him with good success a few times and his laning is still as bullshit as ever
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