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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
June 06 2013 19:26 GMT
#5881
Yeah getting a flash from a Q is hardly bad haha, you just use W to freefarm a little and wait for the next opportunity
Useless wet fish.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 06 2013 19:29 GMT
#5882
On June 07 2013 04:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 04:00 Diamond wrote:
Tried Diamondprox style jungle eve last night. SOOOOOOOO strong. Had a game where we were getting ROFLstomped (like our top lane was 0-9 at 12 mins), and still ended the game 10-6-1 almost turning the game around multiple times. Going to have to do more with this, that burn from Lizard Elder is so nasty with Hate Spike.


See, the thing with eve jungle isn't that it's amazingly good. It's just the simple fact that it's Eve. She forces every single enemy laner to play like a massive pussy, waste so much money on pink wards, and just gives your team a massive edge in lane by the simple virtue that you're Eve. That's it. There's nothing that redeeming about her otherwise.

Haters be hatin'.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 06 2013 19:29 GMT
#5883
Currently I'm running MS quints on Annie and spec into utility. You get stuns off on enemy mids no problem because you should have an easy +30-40 MS over them with runes/masteries. You can kite around in skirmishes and during ganks. Getting more points in Q means more damage the longer you fight. It's true that you're still primarily a burst mage but it's very very rare that you kill anyone with just your initial burst. I also don't like getting E before level 8 to be honest. Getting E earlier adds some survivability and lets you charge up stun faster but delaying E means that your level 6 gank will have 3 points in Q, 2 in W, and 1 in R for optimal damage. I like to play gank Annie though, I rarely try to go for 1v1 kills against the enemy mid because Annie's roam potential is just way too strong and in solo queue ganking lanes ensures victory a lot more than me dumping on the enemy mid laner. If I was going to just sit in lane all day then I'd probably get E at level 4.

Yango's Liandry's+Rylai build is interesting. I'm gonna have to try that. I used to max W first on Annie always but Q is just way more consistent harass and it looks better and better the longer the fight goes on. The idea that Annie instantly dies after her initial burst is really outdated imo.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-06 19:31:56
June 06 2013 19:31 GMT
#5884
On June 07 2013 04:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 04:00 Diamond wrote:
Tried Diamondprox style jungle eve last night. SOOOOOOOO strong. Had a game where we were getting ROFLstomped (like our top lane was 0-9 at 12 mins), and still ended the game 10-6-1 almost turning the game around multiple times. Going to have to do more with this, that burn from Lizard Elder is so nasty with Hate Spike.


See, the thing with eve jungle isn't that it's amazingly good. It's just the simple fact that it's Eve. She forces every single enemy laner to play like a massive pussy, waste so much money on pink wards, and just gives your team a massive edge in lane by the simple virtue that you're Eve. That's it. There's nothing that redeeming about her otherwise.


I think you and me may be playing different versions of Eve. The one I have been playing is a monster with a reliable low mana aoe clear, a free super chalice, invisibility, the ability despite being melee to stick on anyone at any time, a MASSIVE speed boost, a MASSIVE attack speed boost, a reset on the speed boost that makes it one of the best disengages a jungler has, scales with both AP and AD, AOE slow with % of current healh nuke, and makes insane use of Elder Lizard and Liandry's, etc......

She's got to be the best non tank jungler in the game with Diamondprox build.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 06 2013 19:31 GMT
#5885
On June 07 2013 04:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 04:00 Diamond wrote:
Tried Diamondprox style jungle eve last night. SOOOOOOOO strong. Had a game where we were getting ROFLstomped (like our top lane was 0-9 at 12 mins), and still ended the game 10-6-1 almost turning the game around multiple times. Going to have to do more with this, that burn from Lizard Elder is so nasty with Hate Spike.


See, the thing with eve jungle isn't that it's amazingly good. It's just the simple fact that it's Eve. She forces every single enemy laner to play like a massive pussy, waste so much money on pink wards, and just gives your team a massive edge in lane by the simple virtue that you're Eve. That's it. There's nothing that redeeming about her otherwise.


And dumbshits still blame the support for not warding, cuz you know, wards don't cost gold, they automatically generate while you sit in a bush.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 06 2013 19:33 GMT
#5886
On June 06 2013 18:41 JonGalt wrote:
Also, how is Worlds gonna work?
Top seeds of NA, CN, TW, KR all seeded into quarterfinals. It's safe to assume all regions get at least 2 seeds (and KR gets 3). So that leaves 2 * EU + 2 * KR + NA + TW + CN = 7 teams for the group stages, which doesn't really work unless it is a big round robin where they do bo2 and take the top 4. I would like that and I think it would be the fairest. As long as they make the bottom 4 places different prize money, there won't be any meaningless games.


I'm not sure if anyone ever answered you but I was told that Riot is going to have a big LAN with 1 team from each of the non-sanctioned regions playing for the final worlds spot. IIRC, one team from Turkey, one team from Brazil, one team from South America, and one team from Australia.
Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
June 06 2013 19:33 GMT
#5887
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles...
Freedom will be defended at the cost of civil liberties.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
June 06 2013 19:36 GMT
#5888
On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles...


Elise is weaker than ever. There's very few times where she's actually good. Like going against a Singed.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 06 2013 19:41 GMT
#5889
On June 07 2013 04:36 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles...


Elise is weaker than ever. There's very few times where she's actually good. Like going against a Singed.


Its just a general toplane problem. All of the toplanes that could be firstpicked have been (and continue to be) systematically nerfed by Riot. Its just a result of the meta with 2v1, etc being popular. Safeness toplane is at a premium, thus safeness = nerfs.
Freeeeeeedom
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 06 2013 19:42 GMT
#5890
On June 07 2013 04:36 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles...


Elise is weaker than ever. There's very few times where she's actually good. Like going against a Singed.


she's weaker than ever but that's more of a testament to how strong she was upon release and subsequent nerfs than how she stands today. she's still an amazing 1v1 and 1v2 laner and jungles proficiently, if not amazingly. i think she's a banworthy champion
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 06 2013 19:49 GMT
#5891
On June 07 2013 04:33 Rice wrote:
anyone else feel like elise is too strong? shes good at four different roles...

Being good at multiple roles does not make her op'd. Ambiguity of role is a strength but that in itself does not make any champ too strong.
liftlift > tsm
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
June 06 2013 19:49 GMT
#5892
Her base damage is still absurd. After playing her a lot, I think it's sort of off set by how squishy she is. Although when it's small skirmishes, that doesn't matter much because she just blows up someone and doesn't have to worry about their damage.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 06 2013 19:53 GMT
#5893
The problem with playing jungle Eve is that your soul starts withering away into nothingness.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-06 19:59:02
June 06 2013 19:57 GMT
#5894
On June 07 2013 04:53 Scip wrote:
The problem with playing jungle Eve is that your soul starts withering away into nothingness.


As opposed to playing Nasus and do nothing except solo Dragon at 6, then Wither enemy carries for the rest of the game.

Or playing Ryze/Karthus until your fingers bleed or you break your QWE keys, whichever comes first.

Or playing Jayce or Kha'zix mid because they're entirely balanced champs with well-rounded kits.

EDIT: And don't get me started on Nunu.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 06 2013 20:00 GMT
#5895
i played against an eve jungle. i was sona support.

my build 40 minutes in the game was chalice and boots and i just picked up my sightstone.

thanks eve, for taking my money.


although seriously now, i like playing eve.
it feels cheap in the jungle/mid when you gank someone because their green ward didn't see you, but playing a good eve in teamfights feels good.

Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 06 2013 20:03 GMT
#5896
You guys have problems with so many champions I dont understand. Kha'zix isnt even that dominant anymore. Ryze and Karthus are both strong generic picks but nothing exceptional.

Poppy, Shaco and Eve consume your soul though
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
June 06 2013 20:06 GMT
#5897
On June 07 2013 05:03 Scip wrote:
You guys have problems with so many champions I dont understand. Kha'zix isnt even that dominant anymore. Ryze and Karthus are both strong generic picks but nothing exceptional.

Poppy, Shaco and Eve consume your soul though


Kha and Jayce are still monsters before they're nerfed. And I pointed out Ryze Karthus Nunu and Nasus not because they're strong picks, but because only masochists enjoy playing them. Kinda like Soraka.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 06 2013 20:27 GMT
#5898
By the way Teutonica sucks at sniping, put a paper that has "accept" written on it in his face and chances are he will try to click it with his hand
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
June 06 2013 20:33 GMT
#5899
On June 07 2013 05:06 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 05:03 Scip wrote:
You guys have problems with so many champions I dont understand. Kha'zix isnt even that dominant anymore. Ryze and Karthus are both strong generic picks but nothing exceptional.

Poppy, Shaco and Eve consume your soul though


Kha and Jayce are still monsters before they're nerfed. And I pointed out Ryze Karthus Nunu and Nasus not because they're strong picks, but because only masochists enjoy playing them. Kinda like Soraka.


Ryze and Karthus are awesome. Then again, I did play Terran in BW.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
June 06 2013 20:38 GMT
#5900
On June 07 2013 05:33 h3r1n6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 05:06 Sandster wrote:
On June 07 2013 05:03 Scip wrote:
You guys have problems with so many champions I dont understand. Kha'zix isnt even that dominant anymore. Ryze and Karthus are both strong generic picks but nothing exceptional.

Poppy, Shaco and Eve consume your soul though


Kha and Jayce are still monsters before they're nerfed. And I pointed out Ryze Karthus Nunu and Nasus not because they're strong picks, but because only masochists enjoy playing them. Kinda like Soraka.


Ryze and Karthus are awesome. Then again, I did play Terran in BW.


Wait what. Playing Terran in BW is like playing a whole team of Ryze and Karthus's while having to build stuff in your base too.
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