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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
June 03 2013 22:39 GMT
#5081
On June 04 2013 07:25 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 03:43 overt wrote:
Sometimes I feel like I'm playing a different game than reddit.

How is Annie's ult bad and how is a suggestion to increase Tibbers move speed make it to their front page? If you really thought Annie wasn't viable why would this make her viable? Mark my words, if Riot makes Tibbers fast enough that people can't kite it that well in team fights Tibbers will become the best team fight ult in the game. It's already really close considering it's an AoE stun with high initial damage and 45 seconds of 30(+.2 AP) teamfight AoE dps if the enemy team doesn't focus on it (and if they focus Tibbers they aren't killing your team for probably a full 1-1.5 seconds so it's a win-win).

Reddit is a terrible place [...]


This is pretty much how I feel
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 22:50:33
June 03 2013 22:46 GMT
#5082
Reddit is a place inhabited by a lot of vocal, bad players, without many good players to guide them. This results in a lot of lemming-like behavior.

TL on average is like a league above, in addition to having more vocal relatively high level players. This results in a lack of fundamental analysis errors, and significantly better judgements of champion strengths. TL is more analogous to a flock of sheep with a bunch of sheepdogs.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 22:48:51
June 03 2013 22:48 GMT
#5083
PSA: don't get tear first on ezreal. Stop it
Bronze player stuck in platinum
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 03 2013 22:51 GMT
#5084
On June 04 2013 07:48 Nos- wrote:
PSA: don't get tear first on ezreal. Stop it


Why?If you back with ~1100 gold it's the best buy with a longsword and I'd say that's a pretty standart time to back.Unless you can straight up buy lizard grabbing a tear is optimal imo.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
June 03 2013 22:51 GMT
#5085
I can't find the thread I made asking people their end of S2 ELO, but I do believe that Diamond was first or second on the poll. Considering the population of players who actually are diamond, a fuck ton of them come here.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 03 2013 22:52 GMT
#5086
On June 04 2013 07:48 Nos- wrote:
PSA: don't get tear first on ezreal. Stop it


why, backing with ~1,2k-1,6k is it's better to get tear+ 1-2 longswords than spiritstone or sth else.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 03 2013 22:52 GMT
#5087
On June 04 2013 07:51 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 07:48 Nos- wrote:
PSA: don't get tear first on ezreal. Stop it


Why?If you back with ~1100 gold it's the best buy with a longsword and I'd say that's a pretty standart time to back.Unless you can straight up buy lizard grabbing a tear is optimal imo.

I think the idea is that if you both go back and buy at the same time and you get a Tear and the other person gets 2xDorans or a BF Sword or something, you're resigned to just poking away at CS with Q rather than bursting the other person's face in and murdering them.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 03 2013 22:55 GMT
#5088
On June 04 2013 05:53 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 05:24 overt wrote:
On June 04 2013 04:41 TheYango wrote:
Tibbers is already getting PBE buffs that are probably enough, if not too much. 3000 HP rank 3 is a hell of a lot. Also, the token mana cost creep, lol.

I still personally never liked the Annie remake, though, where they chopped off her base damages in favor of higher ratios. Annie with early-level front-loaded power was part of her style, and while it's still there somewhat, she's a lot more generic AP caster than she used to be.

EDIT: Does anyone know if Tibbers is affected by the Aegis +50% bonus effect on Minions?

EDIT 2: Yes he is. So with PBE changes, Tibbers rank 3 will have 3k HP, 115 MR, and 85 Armor with just a Bulwark on your team. Even if you smite him down, that's a lot of survivability to be working with.


Where did you see these PBE buffs? 3k HP on Tibbers is nuts. Was that the only change?

surrenderat20, reignofgaming, and some other people datamine PBE patches and post them.

The other change was reducing the mana cost of Annie's ult, something they've been doing with the older champions pretty systematically.

poor corki sits and cries ina corner with his mana costs
tt
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
June 03 2013 22:55 GMT
#5089
On June 04 2013 07:51 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 07:48 Nos- wrote:
PSA: don't get tear first on ezreal. Stop it


Why?If you back with ~1100 gold it's the best buy with a longsword and I'd say that's a pretty standart time to back.Unless you can straight up buy lizard grabbing a tear is optimal imo.

you'll lose lane that way. better to get 2 long swords and parts of spirit stone.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 22:57:57
June 03 2013 22:56 GMT
#5090
On June 04 2013 07:52 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 07:51 nafta wrote:
On June 04 2013 07:48 Nos- wrote:
PSA: don't get tear first on ezreal. Stop it


Why?If you back with ~1100 gold it's the best buy with a longsword and I'd say that's a pretty standart time to back.Unless you can straight up buy lizard grabbing a tear is optimal imo.

I think the idea is that if you both go back and buy at the same time and you get a Tear and the other person gets 2xDorans or a BF Sword or something, you're resigned to just poking away at CS with Q rather than bursting the other person's face in and murdering them.


Yes which is why I said that you get lizard if possible.Ez is terrible in early trades unless your opponent sucks.You can't trade with a single adc straight up.That is why people get tear.

edit:You lose lane if you go 2x longsword and regen anyway.That's the whole point.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
June 03 2013 22:57 GMT
#5091
I love it when an ez buy tear on his first back, I just tell my support to go trade whenever we can. With Cait or Varus you can really zone the Ez out of alot of cs.
I think going tear first on ez is ok if you have very good last hitting mechanic that absolutely can last hit every single cs when getting harassed. It is a very greedy, if you can get away with it, you mid game power is strong.
Terran
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
June 03 2013 22:57 GMT
#5092
On June 04 2013 07:56 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 07:52 MoonBear wrote:
On June 04 2013 07:51 nafta wrote:
On June 04 2013 07:48 Nos- wrote:
PSA: don't get tear first on ezreal. Stop it


Why?If you back with ~1100 gold it's the best buy with a longsword and I'd say that's a pretty standart time to back.Unless you can straight up buy lizard grabbing a tear is optimal imo.

I think the idea is that if you both go back and buy at the same time and you get a Tear and the other person gets 2xDorans or a BF Sword or something, you're resigned to just poking away at CS with Q rather than bursting the other person's face in and murdering them.


Yes which is why I said that you get lizard if possible.Ez is terrible in early trades unless your opponent sucks.You can't trade with a single adc straight up.That is why people get tear.

then they just gun you down or zone you?.. tear is not a good buy on your first back, you need to buy some actual damage/trading items with ez. that's why you almost always want to get a liz elder first or at least parts of it. I actually much prefer the BT first into blue build but that's another story
Bronze player stuck in platinum
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 03 2013 22:59 GMT
#5093
On June 04 2013 07:57 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 07:56 nafta wrote:
On June 04 2013 07:52 MoonBear wrote:
On June 04 2013 07:51 nafta wrote:
On June 04 2013 07:48 Nos- wrote:
PSA: don't get tear first on ezreal. Stop it


Why?If you back with ~1100 gold it's the best buy with a longsword and I'd say that's a pretty standart time to back.Unless you can straight up buy lizard grabbing a tear is optimal imo.

I think the idea is that if you both go back and buy at the same time and you get a Tear and the other person gets 2xDorans or a BF Sword or something, you're resigned to just poking away at CS with Q rather than bursting the other person's face in and murdering them.


Yes which is why I said that you get lizard if possible.Ez is terrible in early trades unless your opponent sucks.You can't trade with a single adc straight up.That is why people get tear.

then they just gun you down or zone you?.. tear is not a good buy on your first back, you need to buy some actual damage/trading items with ez. that's why you almost always want to get a liz elder first or at least parts of it. I actually much prefer the BT first into blue build but that's another story

Agreed, but unless you get some early kills or farm like a God it takes some time for the build to kick in.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 23:01:46
June 03 2013 23:00 GMT
#5094
Well as someone who plays a lot of ez(and vs ez every game pretty much lol) generally after your first back you should stay longer in lane.If you have say 1200 gold on your first back getting 2 longswords and regen is a lot weaker than tear/longsword.1 longsword doesn't let you trade straight up.Atm popular ad-s such as varus/draven/cait/tw completely zone you out of cs just by standing in it.You should be able to farm only with q unless they are doing something wrong.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
June 03 2013 23:08 GMT
#5095
But then isnt that the way to play ez if you want to buy tear / manamune? Poke like fuck and build tear asap for the mid-late advantage it brings. I figured thats how ez was supposed to be played, he pokes and all-ins after he does enough to warrant an advantage. Then mid-late game he's got Muramana and starts kicking ass.
Useless wet fish.
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 23:16:41
June 03 2013 23:13 GMT
#5096
Well. Doublelift went BT before tear, and he was god mode. Tried it, slammed everyone.

Ezreal just stacks tear so quickly. So you can afford to delay a bit. Everytime you were going to Q, use W too. Less than 100 of those, and you're full stackaroonios
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
Autoloc
Profile Joined June 2013
United States2 Posts
June 03 2013 23:30 GMT
#5097
Whenever I'm doing blue Ez I rush the SotEL on first back hopefully, then scepter THEN tear. It's too expensive of an item for a carry that adds no damage in early lane IMO. Also hello all, new here o/
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
June 03 2013 23:32 GMT
#5098
So I log on for my first non-ARAM game since January, and other team bans Nasus?!?!!?!??!?!?!?!?!?

I guess his buffs I was reading about were gamechanging?

Also, Zac is so much fun holy shit
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 23:38:17
June 03 2013 23:37 GMT
#5099
New bundles coming to the LoL store!

They are gonna be flexible like the TPA bundle and scale with content you already own.I don't like this one bit, I'm bad at passing up bulk deals...
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 03 2013 23:41 GMT
#5100
On June 04 2013 08:37 onlywonderboy wrote:
New bundles coming to the LoL store!

They are gonna be flexible like the TPA bundle and scale with content you already own.I don't like this one bit, I'm bad at passing up bulk deals...


Wow, so now people can get Goth Annie and Huntress Sivir without having to drop $30.
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