[Patch 3.07: Nerf Everything Not Nami] General Discussion…

On June 04 2013 04:25 Osmoses wrote:

I thought he said

Either way, I've never thought of Tibbers post-ult as relevant at all.

On June 04 2013 04:25 Osmoses wrote:

I thought he said

Either way, I've never thought of Tibbers post-ult as relevant at all.

On June 04 2013 04:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
He says it's good but that because Tibbers doesn't do much post summon the ult as a whole is weak, I just don't think his argument is very strong. I think we're just disagreeing on a semantic level, I'll drop it now.

On June 04 2013 04:31 Cixah wrote:
It's super relevant especially at level 6. I hit 6, I ult you forcing you out or to death, and have bear tank 9-10 turret shots. Normally it enough to get your jungler to come, whom you can also kill because you are level 6 annie, or I get you turret inside 7-8 minutes. Plus afterwards I can just keep all in'ing you because the damage it does on summon is just plain stupid.

On June 04 2013 04:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:


It's remarkably NOT true though.

Early game, Tibbers' damage post summon is still really really freaking good and is a massive deterrent for enemies for his entire lifespan. In team fights it's meh, but still good.

My only gripe is sometimes he feels completely lobotomized and will run off in the wrong direction or stop moving completely - but that's just Riot's poor pet AI.

On June 04 2013 04:41 TheYango wrote:
Also, the token mana cost creep, lol.

On June 04 2013 04:49 TheYango wrote:
Honestly if they were going to buff Annie's mana usage, I think it would have been more interesting for them to make Disintegrate return slightly more mana than its cost rather than just flat out buffing mana costs.

On June 04 2013 04:41 TheYango wrote:
Tibbers is already getting PBE buffs that are probably enough, if not too much. 3000 HP rank 3 is a hell of a lot. Also, the token mana cost creep, lol.

I still personally never liked the Annie remake, though, where they chopped off her base damages in favor of higher ratios. Annie with early-level front-loaded power was part of her style, and while it's still there somewhat, she's a lot more generic AP caster than she used to be.

EDIT: Does anyone know if Tibbers is affected by the Aegis +50% bonus effect on Minions?

EDIT 2: Yes he is. So with PBE changes, Tibbers rank 3 will have 3k HP, 115 MR, and 85 Armor with just a Bulwark on your team. Even if you smite him down, that's a lot of survivability to be working with.

On June 04 2013 04:58 TheYango wrote:
Tibbers doesn't really have AI, he's just directly controllable. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, though it is a bit unintuitive for him to not have default attack-move AI.

On June 04 2013 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
learn to micro this is a starcraft website you noobs you can control two units

On June 04 2013 05:12 thenexusp wrote:
I've always theorized that one could make a interesting pet-controlling champion by using QWER as "control-group hotkeys", like how in SC you don't actually select your zerglings manually, you press 1 for the control group you made earlier. In other words, pressing Q would change control to a pet, pressing Q again would change control back to the champ. And Q can summon the pet in the first place if he's not already there.