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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On June 04 2013 04:25 Osmoses wrote: I thought he said Either way, I've never thought of Tibbers post-ult as relevant at all. He says it's good but that because Tibbers doesn't do much post summon the ult as a whole is weak, I just don't think his argument is very strong. I think we're just disagreeing on a semantic level, I'll drop it now. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
On June 04 2013 04:25 Osmoses wrote: I thought he said Either way, I've never thought of Tibbers post-ult as relevant at all. I don't know if it should be given a speed buff but it'd be nice if it had the ability to be slightly relevant in the hands of a player who actually tries to control Tibbers, other than face tanking towers/baron/dragon because any goldie and above can do that. I dont really play Annie so i wouldn't know how much it actually helps to control him a la viktor ult. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On June 04 2013 04:29 onlywonderboy wrote: He says it's good but that because Tibbers doesn't do much post summon the ult as a whole is weak, I just don't think his argument is very strong. I think we're just disagreeing on a semantic level, I'll drop it now. Yeah I got that same feeling :p Besides the ulti Annie has the same problem as veigar; if the burst doesn't kill you she's a pussycat. On June 04 2013 04:31 Cixah wrote: It's super relevant especially at level 6. I hit 6, I ult you forcing you out or to death, and have bear tank 9-10 turret shots. Normally it enough to get your jungler to come, whom you can also kill because you are level 6 annie, or I get you turret inside 7-8 minutes. Plus afterwards I can just keep all in'ing you because the damage it does on summon is just plain stupid. I've played against Annie many times, just get some small amount of MR and all-in back when the stun ends, she really isn't very stronk. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On June 04 2013 04:02 jcarlsoniv wrote: It's remarkably NOT true though. Early game, Tibbers' damage post summon is still really really freaking good and is a massive deterrent for enemies for his entire lifespan. In team fights it's meh, but still good. My only gripe is sometimes he feels completely lobotomized and will run off in the wrong direction or stop moving completely - but that's just Riot's poor pet AI. "You survived? Too bad, I'll make Tibbers sit between you and the creepwave and zone you." Pretty annoying everytime. :< | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I still personally never liked the Annie remake, though, where they chopped off her base damages in favor of higher ratios. Annie with early-level front-loaded power was part of her style, and while it's still there somewhat, she's a lot more generic AP caster than she used to be. EDIT: Does anyone know if Tibbers is affected by the Aegis +50% bonus effect on Minions? EDIT 2: Yes he is. So with PBE changes, Tibbers rank 3 will have 3k HP, 115 MR, and 85 Armor with just a Bulwark on your team. Even if you smite him down, that's a lot of survivability to be working with. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On June 04 2013 04:41 TheYango wrote: Also, the token mana cost creep, lol. At they point they should just remove mana from the game tbh | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 04 2013 04:49 TheYango wrote: Honestly if they were going to buff Annie's mana usage, I think it would have been more interesting for them to make Disintegrate return slightly more mana than its cost rather than just flat out buffing mana costs. WTB Yango a position at Riot Design. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 04 2013 04:41 TheYango wrote: Tibbers is already getting PBE buffs that are probably enough, if not too much. 3000 HP rank 3 is a hell of a lot. Also, the token mana cost creep, lol. I still personally never liked the Annie remake, though, where they chopped off her base damages in favor of higher ratios. Annie with early-level front-loaded power was part of her style, and while it's still there somewhat, she's a lot more generic AP caster than she used to be. EDIT: Does anyone know if Tibbers is affected by the Aegis +50% bonus effect on Minions? EDIT 2: Yes he is. So with PBE changes, Tibbers rank 3 will have 3k HP, 115 MR, and 85 Armor with just a Bulwark on your team. Even if you smite him down, that's a lot of survivability to be working with. The greatest thing about Annie's remake was the change to CD/duration of Molten Shield. It makes it so much easier to cycle stuns very quickly, especially once you have some CDR (usually mine comes from blue buff/pot, but Soloside keeps yelling at me to use DFG - I'm just too stubborn to buy that stupid item). On June 04 2013 04:58 TheYango wrote: Tibbers doesn't really have AI, he's just directly controllable. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, though it is a bit unintuitive for him to not have default attack-move AI. Part of the issue is that I struggle alt-clicking him onto an enemy and having him stay on that enemy. It's either really REALLY bad coding (which, let's be serious, is highly likely), or I'm retarded (equally as likely). | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On June 04 2013 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: learn to micro this is a starcraft website you noobs you can control two units Except it's a completely different method of control and doesn't allow for more than 1 extra unit. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 04 2013 05:12 thenexusp wrote: I've always theorized that one could make a interesting pet-controlling champion by using QWER as "control-group hotkeys", like how in SC you don't actually select your zerglings manually, you press 1 for the control group you made earlier. In other words, pressing Q would change control to a pet, pressing Q again would change control back to the champ. And Q can summon the pet in the first place if he's not already there. Proabably such a champ would be Jayce-like (or maybe Nidalee like) wherein R is automatically leveled at 1, you can level at 6, 11, 16 (for some bonus stats to the pet), then you use R to toggle abilities/control between the two with some kind of leashing system. With league's clunkiness it probably would have a Meepo problem though. | ||
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canikizu
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